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#1841973 - 02/10/12 03:00 PM Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice.
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I recently had the pleasure of playing a Steingraeber at a friend's house....I believe it was a 205 and just fell in love. What do yo uall think? I was intterested in buying a Schimmel NWS 189 but fell in love with the Steingraeber and Sohne. I found one online recently for sale, but it's 10 years old. The owner says it's rarely been used...but what do you all think of buying a 10 year old piano? Thanks everyone.

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#1841980 - 02/10/12 03:14 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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Originally Posted By: cshorca1125
I recently had the pleasure of playing a Steingraeber at a friend's house....I believe it was a 205 and just fell in love. What do yo uall think? I was intterested in buying a Schimmel NWS 189 but fell in love with the Steingraeber and Sohne. I found one online recently for sale, but it's 10 years old. The owner says it's rarely been used...but what do you all think of buying a 10 year old piano? Thanks everyone.


I think that if I - in my wildest dreams - ever thought that I could own a Steingraeber instrument of any size - that I would think I had died and gone to heaven.

That's what I think.

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#1841997 - 02/10/12 03:38 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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Steingraeber is rated above our (New York)Steinways as one of the 8 best pianos in the world by the respected Larry Fine in his Piano Book. May we enquire what they're asking for this precious instrument besides your first born child?

Turning down a Schimmel for something better is a little hard to emotionally conceptualize even though it sounds as though that's what you're really doing.

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#1842014 - 02/10/12 04:04 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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I would never consider buying any piano, especially a very expensive one, without playing it first. Ignore the seller's statements about how much it has been played and have a good tech inspect it if you like it.


Edited by pianoloverus (02/10/12 04:06 PM)

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#1842058 - 02/10/12 04:56 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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You'd definitely have to go and play it,, take a tech to inspect it, it'd probably be at least different to your friend's Steingraeber 205. Jivemutha, the OP said the piano for sale is ten years old. Good luck smile
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#1842076 - 02/10/12 05:32 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: Rotom]
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Originally Posted By: Rotom
You'd definitely have to go and play it,, take a tech to inspect it, it'd probably be at least different to your friend's Steingraeber 205. Jivemutha, the OP said the piano for sale is ten years old. Good luck smile


Thanks, Rotom. (I was readin' too fast!)

Of course what has been said here by you and others about getting a tech to inspect it and to play it before purchase are both absolute musts. Any piano can be wrecked through misuse, even at only 10 years. Also, as was wisely said recently on pianoworld, when you get to the very top tier of pianos (of which this is one), the piano one likes the best is frequently not going to be the most expensive one. You MUST play it before you buy any used piano and almost any new piano (new Yamahas being the arguable exception, assuming one has played the identical model, also new).

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#1842105 - 02/10/12 06:00 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: jivemutha]
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Originally Posted By: jivemutha
You MUST play it before you buy any used piano and almost any new piano (new Yamahas being the arguable exception, assuming one has played the identical model, also new).

I would think one would go and play even a New Yamaha before going with a purchase. Any piano, for that matter.

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#1842113 - 02/10/12 06:09 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: jivemutha]
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Originally Posted By: jivemutha
Also, as was wisely said recently on pianoworld, when you get to the very top tier of pianos (of which this is one), the piano one likes the best is frequently not going to be the most expensive one.
This statement is true for any tier group of pianos. And "frequently" should be changed to "sometimes".

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#1842202 - 02/10/12 08:25 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: Rotom]
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Originally Posted By: Rotom
Originally Posted By: jivemutha
You MUST play it before you buy any used piano and almost any new piano (new Yamahas being the arguable exception, assuming one has played the identical model, also new).

I would think one would go and play even a New Yamaha before going with a purchase. Any piano, for that matter.


Here's what I meant regarding Yamaha: if it's new and you've played, for example, one or more new U1s and have heard it (or them) in situations related to where your piano will be (in terms of room size, carpeting, etc.) then you needn't play the new U1 you intend to buy. They're all the virtually same. This is not true for many (most) other brands.

I just had to special order a Yamaha because American dealers don't generally stock silent C2s. I certainly made sure I played on various C2s in different rooms, etc. (The acoustic sound of a silent C2 is the same as a regular C2.) Then, I placed my order without the kind of fear a Steinway buyer would have to experience waiting to see if the K52 they ordered sounds as good as the K52 that they might have previously played.

Yamaha is not the best piano in the world. It is the most consistent, according to dealers who sell multiple lines, technicians, players, etc. Sure, someone out there will have a different view, but what I'm saying here is widely accepted by many.

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#1842216 - 02/10/12 08:42 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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Originally Posted By: cshorca1125
The owner says it's rarely been used...but what do you all think of buying a 10 year old piano? Thanks everyone.



Even if it spent those ten years at the bottom of a lake, it would probably still sound better than 90% of the pianos in the world. A 10 year old piano of such pedigree is still quite young.... it will likely outlast anyone currently living.
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#1842218 - 02/10/12 08:45 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: jivemutha]
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Originally Posted By: jivemutha
Originally Posted By: Rotom
Originally Posted By: jivemutha
You MUST play it before you buy any used piano and almost any new piano (new Yamahas being the arguable exception, assuming one has played the identical model, also new).

I would think one would go and play even a New Yamaha before going with a purchase. Any piano, for that matter.


Here's what I meant regarding Yamaha: if it's new and you've played, for example, one or more new U1s and have heard it (or them) in situations related to where your piano will be (in terms of room size, carpeting, etc.) then you needn't play the new U1 you intend to buy. They're all the virtually same. This is not true for many (most) other brands.

I just had to special order a Yamaha because American dealers don't generally stock silent C2s. I certainly made sure I played on various C2s in different rooms, etc. (The acoustic sound of a silent C2 is the same as a regular C2.) Then, I placed my order without the kind of fear a Steinway buyer would have to experience waiting to see if the K52 they ordered sounds as good as the K52 that they might have previously played.

Yamaha is not the best piano in the world. It is the most consistent, according to dealers who sell multiple lines, technicians, players, etc. Sure, someone out there will have a different view, but what I'm saying here is widely accepted by many.



Steingraebers are remarkably consistent.
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#1842222 - 02/10/12 08:49 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: beethoven986]
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Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Even if it spent those ten years at the bottom of a lake, it would probably still sound better than 90% of the pianos in the world.

LOL!

though in reality, i doubt it. smile

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#1842428 - 02/11/12 08:23 AM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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While I was looking for my piano, I played nearly everything available, and there were several instruments I really liked.

If you don't love a piano after playing it and listening to it, don't buy it. If you do love it, you have to go for it. Most sellers will try hard to come up with a workable deal.

My Steingraeber had me after the first few notes.

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#1842508 - 02/11/12 10:52 AM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: ClsscLib]
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Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
. . .If you don't love a piano after playing it and listening to it, don't buy it. If you do love it, you have to go for it. Most sellers will try hard to come up with a workable deal.

My Steingraeber had me after the first few notes.


The key word here may be "workable." As I understand it, the downpayment for a C212N Steingraeber is your first born child. I'm thinking that if someone is really having an extremely tough time with their teenage son, this might be a win-win situation.

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#1842528 - 02/11/12 11:32 AM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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The top tier pianos cost what they cost. But if you're in the market for any of them, you're really in the market for all of them.

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#1842550 - 02/11/12 12:12 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: ClsscLib]
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Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
The top tier pianos cost what they cost. But if you're in the market for any of them, you're really in the market for all of them.
If this statement were true(and I certainly don't think it is), it would be equally true for any tier, not just top tier.

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#1842678 - 02/11/12 02:49 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: pianoloverus]
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I can only tell you what I saw, which is a great deal of evidence that it's a buyer's market today -- to the point where pianos I had never beleved would be affordable turned out to be just that.

You can agree with that or not, but for me the proof is being played in my family room as I now type.

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#1842704 - 02/11/12 03:21 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: ClsscLib]
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Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
I can only tell you what I saw, which is a great deal of evidence that it's a buyer's market today -- to the point where pianos I had never beleved would be affordable turned out to be just that.

You can agree with that or not, but for me the proof is being played in my family room as I now type.
Now that you've explained your use of "in the market for" it may be true. I had interpreted your use of that phrase to me "interested in."

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#1842712 - 02/11/12 03:34 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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That's certainly the sense of "in" that I intended.

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#1842745 - 02/11/12 04:40 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: Rotom]
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Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Even if it spent those ten years at the bottom of a lake, it would probably still sound better than 90% of the pianos in the world.

LOL!

though in reality, i doubt it. smile


You never know. The Steingraeber-Phoenix pianos have the WNG parts, carbon fiber soundboards, and beryllium alloy agraffes....
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#1842817 - 02/11/12 06:55 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: beethoven986]
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Originally Posted By: Rotom
Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Even if it spent those ten years at the bottom of a lake, it would probably still sound better than 90% of the pianos in the world.

LOL!

though in reality, i doubt it. smile


You never know. The Steingraeber-Phoenix pianos have the WNG parts, carbon fiber soundboards, and beryllium alloy agraffes....

Plexiglas rim, hard polyester finish, gold plated exposed case parts, pinblock.. (??) shocked

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#1842850 - 02/11/12 08:38 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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wow...thanks for all the great posts...as for the price, it's about 40,000 for the 10 year old steingraebar. What do you all think of the price?

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#1842914 - 02/11/12 11:30 PM Re: Steingraeber and Sohne....need advice. [Re: cshorca1125]
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I'm pretty sure you would pay significantly more for a Steinway B of the same vintage.
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