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#1841338 - 02/09/12 03:32 PM
Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
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I have a CP300 that I love but going to gift it to my niece because she has taken an amazing passion and talent for piano and she deserves something nice. So I started shopping for myself. Although the speakers are nice – not really needed for me. My price range is $1500-$3000 Started looking at the new CP50 and CP 5. Must say I was little disappointed compared to the CP300. I would take a CP300 (even the CP33) over those two for action alone. They sound a little better, but eh.. So, of course, I looked at Roland RD-300NX and RD-700NX. RD300NX action felt a little cheap compared to the RD700NX. So, Love the RD700NX many sounds-wow, action-light but very nice, functionality, design, etc. Read all the reviews pros and cons – seems great except for the EP and Rhodes sounds.
CP300 has not changed since 2006 and still holds up better than most current DPs. I never owned a Roland product before so I’m a little hesitant to pull trigger because RD700>700SX>700GX>700GXS> to today's 700NX all in a short time span with significant improvements in each vs. Question: Should I wait for the next 700(?)X? Aside of possible FantomG-like bells and whistles, how much better can it actually sound an feel than this current beauty? Anyone have and idea, rumor, or crystal ball? Also, would love to hear from any Yamaha fans that jumped or jumping to the RD700NX... or are you just waiting for the CP350 to come out? LOL
Thank You!
Edited by MC_NorthShore_MA (02/16/12 06:49 AM)
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#1841346 - 02/09/12 03:44 PM
Re: Im ready to buy an RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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The CP50, CP33, and CP300 should all have the exact same action. The CP5 has a different one, so if you don't like it, that's legit.
I wouldn't worry too terribly much about technology moving past you, otherwise you'll never buy anything. For one thing the RD700NX has a lot of great toys. I don't see any obvious things that will change in the next version. As you kind of point out, progress in digital pianos has been pretty moderate in the last few years. Not much to speak of since the days of the CP33 and CP300. I would expect the next version to be pretty similar to the 700NX. Roland's big thing is SuperNatural sounds at the moment. The next version will be SuperNatural II or something, but it's not likely to be a universe apart. I guess they could come out with a cheaper piano with V-Piano technology, but that would be a big departure from their current strategy and I don't see it happening imminently.
I don't think the CP300 will be replaced by something similar (CP350, etc). It's been obsolete for years and they haven't made any moves to update it (they are still selling it new!). I think they've moved away from the notion of making a stage piano with speakers. Look to the CP50 as the replacement for the CP33 and CP300.
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#1841357 - 02/09/12 04:09 PM
Re: Im ready to buy an RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Thanks for your feedback gvfarns!
BTW, I got an email coupon for Guitar Center 15% off. So, $2,699-15% = $2,294.15. Plus, I live close to NH for tax free savings. That seems to be a fair deal for a brand new RD700NX. However, Im going watch this post for a few days before I make the purchase. I like get some other thoughts. I guess I just love the CP300 so much is my hesitations. Hey, I could always buy another new one if you say they are still in production. I guess Im looking for that push to buy Roland. Ha!
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#1841365 - 02/09/12 04:25 PM
Re: Im ready to buy an RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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I guess you might consider that unless you are using the extra functionality of the RD700NX, you might consider the FP7F for less money. Same action and sounds (although fewer sounds) and it has speakers of a sort.
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#1841508 - 02/09/12 07:33 PM
Re: Im ready to buy an RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: gvfarns]
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#1841841 - 02/10/12 11:33 AM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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just an opinion but I recently checked out the roland rd700nx
and I was really impressed
as far as waiting there will always be a newer and so called better
but you never know the rd1000 is almost 30 years old yet has four very valid piano sounds that owners will not part with.
and as far as pure expressiveness rivals anything on the market today
a good instrument is a good instrument and if you are going to follow what a manufacturer feeds you you will always feel you need the latest but in reality
this is not always the case.
if you love the sound of the 700nx which it sounds like you do buy it
expand it over time with the expansion cards that are offered for ti.
and possibly even down the road after market sound designers will tweak the sounds for you
you can always midi it and layer it it never has to be something you get rid of ever.
Edited by maduro (02/10/12 11:34 AM)
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#1842254 - 02/10/12 09:54 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Nothing whatsoever wrong with the RD700NX but be aware that even the bright grand will not totally make up for the CP300's specific "Yamaha" tonality.
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#1843391 - 02/12/12 04:57 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: maduro]
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if you love the sound of the 700nx which it sounds like you do buy it
expand it over time with the expansion cards that are offered for ti.
I love the NX too, but I believe Roland did away with expansion slots for this model (and my one has no panel on the rear like the older models).
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#1844134 - 02/13/12 09:06 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Registered: 11/26/11
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I debated a lot between the FP7-F and the MP10. The RD700NX was slightly outside my price range (as if the MP10 wasn't pushing it enough), but I was impressed with it. If you have anywhere nearby that has an MP10, I urge you to give that a try. I was 30 seconds from pulling the trigger on a Roland before I went to try the MP10...and guess which one is sitting next to me?  That said, I was debating between the FP7-F and the MP10, not the RD700NX, which is superior to the FP7-F, obviously. One thing: I tried to take advantage of the Guitar Center's 15% off coupon a while back, and the fine print (which I don't even think is even on the coupon) is that it only applies to certain things, and they wouldn't honor it on the FP7-F, at least at my store. Might be worth a call before driving to NH. -roki
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#1844650 - 02/14/12 05:29 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Thanks everyone for feedback. I have not purchased anything yet. BUT plan to this weekend!! Roki, I WOULD love to try a MP10 but cant find one to try and work in Boston too! I even hear great things about the MP6 too.
I played with the CP5 for about 30 minutes again. Sounds and feels great but bit complicated to get around. Still just something about that RD700NX that keeps pulling me in.
So this is what its down to: RD700NX, MP10, MP6, CP5 or back to CP300.
Other notes:
- I already have a Peavey KB3 for (very rare) live gigs. but will probably look into StagePas or monitors for home.
- All the keyboards I tested I have been using my Bose AE2i headphones. That's ok, right?
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#1844704 - 02/14/12 06:54 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Registered: 11/26/11
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You're in the Boston area? There's a Kawai dealer listed in Worcester ( www.kurlanmusic.com ), have you called to see if they carry one in stock? I had to drive about 60 miles up to LA to try mine, but it was definitely worth it!
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#1844736 - 02/14/12 07:45 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: Roki]
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Thanks Roki! I just called Kurlan per your suggestion. They do NOT have any in stock. Dang! plus the guy sales said to me he likes the MP10 way better than the RD700NX. Maybe he's just being a sales guy, but it worked! Now I got I MP10 in my head!!
Anyone, is the MP10 the worth the wait?? - over the RD700nx?? What to do - Help!
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#1844741 - 02/14/12 07:55 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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That's basically a clash of the titans. Those may be the two most beloved current stage pianos. The forum is divided about in half on which is better overall.
In general, a couple of minutes playing each will tell you whether you are a Kawai person or a Roland person. Most people like one action or the other, but not both.
Personally I love the Kawai action and hate the Roland. Lots of people I respect feel the opposite, though.
Edited by gvfarns (02/14/12 07:55 PM)
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#1844757 - 02/14/12 08:21 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Did he say he can get one in stock for you without you actually buying it? Honestly, different people have different preferences, as someone else recently posted. All I can speak for is myself, and I'm SO glad I put in the extra effort to go try the MP10 before pulling the trigger on the FP7-F. Waiting is difficult, but probably worth it, especially on a purchase of this magnitude. My plan was to buy in early decemeber, and I bought in on Feb 4th. Just my opinion, though!
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#1844766 - 02/14/12 08:29 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: Roki]
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I traded my RD-700NX to get the MP10. In fact I got two of them! You really should see if you can play one before deciding.
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#1844783 - 02/14/12 09:06 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: Melodialworks Music]
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Thank You Roki and Melodialworks! Ha - I love you guys. This is so much fun. NOW I have to wait to try for the MP10. I cant make a move with out trying the Kawai. I know you can relate when I say that I’m just so anxious to purchase a ag reat DP! I want to love what I purchase as it will be a 5+ year investment.
Hey, any Roland or Yahmaha fans want to chime in??
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#1844802 - 02/14/12 09:34 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Lots of people (more than any other brand) own Yamaha here and they definitely make good pianos, but beyond the AvantGrand owners I don't see many Yamaha fans. Not among highish-end stage piano owners, anyway.
Roland is a different story. I also expected to hear from more RD700NX and FP7F owners.
But really, who is going to advise you to buy without trying all the relevant options?
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#1844982 - 02/15/12 02:07 AM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Registered: 12/01/09
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MP10 v RD-700NX v CP5
You're going to have to play them all before deciding. They are all good so there is no "wrong" choice.
Good luck!
Steve
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Roland RD-1000
Nord Piano 88
Yamaha AvantGrand N3
Kawai MP10
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#1845037 - 02/15/12 05:37 AM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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GC has the three RD700NX in stock at NH store right now. I hate to buy just because it's in stock and on sale, but like Steve just said "there is no wrong choice" I know I said Im in no big rush, but it sure feels like it. You all know what it's like to purchase a new board. (FYI, Guitar Center 15% OFF for all now thru 2/20/12) GUitar Center 15% off Presidents Days Sale
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#1845044 - 02/15/12 06:48 AM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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I'm very impulsive when it comes to these things so I know exactly where you are with this but you should really play these things! A week or two now will be nothing when set against maybe three years of ownership.
I stand by my comment that there is no "wrong" choice in a general sense, but there might be a wrong choice for YOU. In my case whilst I absolutely believe the Roland is the most advanced in terms of tone generation it would be the wrong choice for me (I've been there, done that and got rid!).
I only have the smallest experience of the CP5 - but I loved it. The Yamaha often gets a bit side-lined in this debate but despite shortcomings on paper, as an instrument it is right up there in my opinion.
They are all good but it's such a personal choice - don't rush it! That's my rational mind speaking - my heart would be in the same hurry you are.
Cheers,
Steve
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Nord Piano 88
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#1845048 - 02/15/12 07:15 AM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: EssBrace]
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EssBrace -
Just curious - was that the RD700NX you got rid of for a particular reason ?
Anders
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#1845119 - 02/15/12 09:09 AM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: Anders M]
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EssBrace -
Just curious - was that the RD700NX you got rid of for a particular reason ?
Anders No I had the 700GX with SN upgrade board. I also had the HP-307 and FP-7F. All share the same basic SN piano sound although the NX has an additional piano voice I believe. I just tired of the tonality of the pianos. You can't get them to bite without sounding brittle and metallic. If all you want is to play gently and enjoy a mellow tone then they are very strong contenders. But the EPs are weak too. On the plus side, the key actions are excellent though, extremely fast and articulate.
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#1845348 - 02/15/12 02:35 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
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Edited by MC_NorthShore_MA (02/27/12 06:01 AM)
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#1845358 - 02/15/12 02:47 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Sounds like you are making progress. Keep at it!
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#1845460 - 02/15/12 04:58 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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My limited experience has been that it takes several months to listen to and go back and forth between the various sage pianos and home pianos. Then one decides, but before buying, finds that several companies have released or are about to release newer models that promise to have better sounds and features. But keep us up to date. Thanks for the information about the CA63.
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#1845561 - 02/15/12 07:18 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Hi Jake, unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I’m just so caught up in the 15% president’s sale at GC and a few others online that I’m rushing my research to save that potential $300-500 in savings. However, this is a great education in seeing what’s out there. So, if I don’t meet the Pres Day sales I can always wait for 4th or July sales if I have to.
At this point, this is what I like in order:
1. Kawai CA63, love the feel, incredible keys/action, tone, speakers/sound, etc. so much that I am putting everything on hold until I can try the MP10. Just not too crazy for home DPs but would do it for the CA63.
2. RD700NX is amazing too. Action is great – maybe the same as Kawai but they're just both different from each other in their own design. Kawai just feels better to me. I just can’t get the tone and sound to my liking yet, still a little muddy unless I hit it hard to get that bite. Hard to explain it, but I think it’s just a matter of spending a lot of time with it. I’m sure it will produce what I’m looking for. I really “want” to love it and buy it today… but I’m being patient until I can demo the MP10.
3. CP300 ~sigh~ My one true love that has always be faithful, fun, and will always be there waiting for me. She has it all!! …but she’s getting a little old if you know what I mean.
4. CP5 was a little too light on the action and feel for me, I just prefer heavier action. Great sounds, better than CP300 in most areas. A bit more complicated than all above.
5. MP6 has a ton of great sounds, good action, and very fair price to competitors when matching feature to feature.
Edited by MC_NorthShore_MA (02/15/12 07:30 PM)
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#1845684 - 02/15/12 09:34 PM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
[Re: MC_NorthShore_MA]
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Thanks for the summaries! Did you notice the ringing/pinging on the octave above middle C when you played the RD-700NX? Hi Jake, unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I’m just so caught up in the 15% president’s sale at GC and a few others online that I’m rushing my research to save that potential $300-500 in savings. However, this is a great education in seeing what’s out there. So, if I don’t meet the Pres Day sales I can always wait for 4th or July sales if I have to.
At this point, this is what I like in order:
1. Kawai CA63, love the feel, incredible keys/action, tone, speakers/sound, etc. so much that I am putting everything on hold until I can try the MP10. Just not too crazy for home DPs but would do it for the CA63.
2. RD700NX is amazing too. Action is great – maybe the same as Kawai but they're just both different from each other in their own design. Kawai just feels better to me. I just can’t get the tone and sound to my liking yet, still a little muddy unless I hit it hard to get that bite. Hard to explain it, but I think it’s just a matter of spending a lot of time with it. I’m sure it will produce what I’m looking for. I really “want” to love it and buy it today… but I’m being patient until I can demo the MP10.
3. CP300 ~sigh~ My one true love that has always be faithful, fun, and will always be there waiting for me. She has it all!! …but she’s getting a little old if you know what I mean.
4. CP5 was a little too light on the action and feel for me, I just prefer heavier action. Great sounds, better than CP300 in most areas. A bit more complicated than all above.
5. MP6 has a ton of great sounds, good action, and very fair price to competitors when matching feature to feature.
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#1845839 - 02/16/12 06:43 AM
Re: Im ready to buy a RD700NX .....or should I?
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Hi Mrcultureshock
Yes! the RD700NX did have a noticeable ring on the higher octaves. Again, I thought it was just me or my Bose headphones. But my Bose sound great on all the other DPs so I figured I was not adjusting the tone properly. I tried everything with the EQ, Compressor, and Sound Focus and just can’t get it right. If I hit the keys softly it sounds like it’s muffled inside a tin can. If I hit it hard it sounds clear and authentic. Ugh, where’s the happy-balance-make-it-perfect button! Ha! However, it's such nice board that I am going to GC again today at lunch and going to give it another shot. (plus the fact that I can get for $2,294 is such a great deal)
BTW, not sure if you watch American Idol; last night the RD700NX was the primary board of the musician and the kids. Lot of air time for Roland. They did not blackout or blur the Roland RD700NX on the back of the board. So, maybe Roland has a nice arrangement with Idol(?) Hey, if they are using it, it MUST be great which further leads me to believe that the problem is with me! LOL
RD700NX users, please let me know how this board is working for you in a home and/or studio situation. I just need to justify before or I drop around $2500 on any board. Plus, my next board will be a 3-5 year commitment.
Thanks, Mark
Edited by MC_NorthShore_MA (02/16/12 06:53 AM)
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