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Fine pianist with very, very strong technique (which I can say about a thousand different pianists), but I can't say too much more...how about...she has personality and she's ALMOST attractive (being blonde helps) and that's enough for most guys (I'd be willing to bet good money that the vast majority of her fans are male and for reasons other than anything to do with her playing).
Below every YouTube video, there's a button that includes statistics having to do with the age and gender of the people who watch a video. You might want to check it out.
I couldn't agree more, god forbid anyone should think someone who plays like this . . .
. . . . has talent! Seriously, who does she think she is? People who like this kind of playing clearly don't know anything, whatsoever, about what constitutes good music. Someone purchase her some recordings of Horowitz or Rubinstein, so she can hear how a talented pianist is supposed to sound.
Well, given that neither Horowitz nor Rubinstein recorded that piece, your suggestion is useless.
But we can compare the Rachmaninov's Prelude, which in the OP. Here is Horowitz playing it:
#1844056 - 02/13/1206:30 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: Sequentia]
stores
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Originally Posted By: Sequentia
Originally Posted By: stores
Fine pianist with very, very strong technique (which I can say about a thousand different pianists), but I can't say too much more...how about...she has personality and she's ALMOST attractive (being blonde helps) and that's enough for most guys (I'd be willing to bet good money that the vast majority of her fans are male and for reasons other than anything to do with her playing).
Below every YouTube video, there's a button that includes statistics having to do with the age and gender of the people who watch a video. You might want to check it out.
I wasn't aware of that, but I did take a look just now and turns out I was spot on. I wish someone would have taken that bet =p
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#1844256 - 02/14/1202:48 AMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: stores]
carey
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Originally Posted By: stores
Below every YouTube video, there's a button that includes statistics having to do with the age and gender of the people who watch a video. You might want to check it out.
Quote:
I wasn't aware of that, but I did take a look just now and turns out I was spot on. I wish someone would have taken that bet =p
Interestingly, Anton Nel's you tube video of "The Wanderer Fantasy" appealed to exactly the SAME demographic as Ms. Lisitsa's video of the Rachmaninov Prelude - based on the statistics provided. So perhaps it is OK that no one took you up on that bet.....
#1844272 - 02/14/1203:33 AMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: carey]
stores
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: stores
Below every YouTube video, there's a button that includes statistics having to do with the age and gender of the people who watch a video. You might want to check it out.
Quote:
I wasn't aware of that, but I did take a look just now and turns out I was spot on. I wish someone would have taken that bet =p
Interestingly, Anton Nel's you tube video of "The Wanderer Fantasy" appealed to exactly the SAME demographic as Ms. Lisitsa's video of the Rachmaninov Prelude - based on the statistics provided. So perhaps it is OK that no one took you up on that bet.....
That doesn't surprise me, in the least. My point was in regard to VL, carey.
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#1844432 - 02/14/1211:18 AMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: stores]
carey
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Originally Posted By: carey
Interestingly, Anton Nel's you tube video of "The Wanderer Fantasy" appealed to exactly the SAME demographic as Ms. Lisitsa's video of the Rachmaninov Prelude - based on the statistics provided. So perhaps it is OK that no one took you up on that bet.....
Originally Posted By: stores
That doesn't surprise me, in the least. My point was in regard to VL, carey.
Point of clarification: While there is a button below every You Tube video that theoretically should link to statistics regarding age, gender, etc., most classical piano videos on You Tube (based on my own random search this morning) appear to lack those statistics. When the statistics are available, it appears that the majority of folks watching the videos are middle aged males (age 45 - 64). Thus it is not surprising that both the VL and AN videos are watched primarily by middle aged males. Of course, the "accuracy" of the statistics in terms of "gender" is questionable (I'm not sure how they can verify the gender of who is actually viewing the computer screen) - but the accuracy by "country" is probably more reliable. It makes sense, for example, that AN has a large You Tube following in South Africa (his native country).
#1844471 - 02/14/1212:48 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: Entheo]
GlassLove
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They cannot determine this for all users, and I would guess that what you see reported are the statistics for viewers with youtube accounts. When you set up a youtube account, you are asked to report your birthdate and gender. Thus, the statistics are calculated on a sample. In this instance, the degree to which the sample is a representative one cannot be determined.
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Stores, her looks and/or hair are absolutely irrelevant to anything on this thread.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, very few people are qualified to critique a pianist of this caliber, especially some of the loudmouths on this forum. As an amateur pianist, I enjoy immensely her recordings of Chopin's Etudes, especially op.25 no.12. I can understand that some thinks she plays loudly, but with no emotion?! This girl's playing in phenomenally emotional!
#1844547 - 02/14/1202:38 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
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carey
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Originally Posted By: GlassLove
They cannot determine this for all users, and I would guess that what you see reported are the statistics for viewers with youtube accounts. When you set up a youtube account, you are asked to report your birthdate and gender. Thus, the statistics are calculated on a sample. In this instance, the degree to which the sample is a representative one cannot be determined.
#1844550 - 02/14/1202:50 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: kdr152004]
carey
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Originally Posted By: kdr152004
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, very few people are qualified to critique a pianist of this caliber, especially some of the loudmouths on this forum.
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
#1844570 - 02/14/1203:20 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: carey]
Entheo
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Originally Posted By: carey
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
and if that is indeed true, it is yet another reason why i would try to keep my friends whom i am trying to get interested in classical piano from finding this forum.
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: kdr152004
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, very few people are qualified to critique a pianist of this caliber, especially some of the loudmouths on this forum.
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
Are you saying that you know Stores personally and can vouch for his credentials?
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People need to realise there are other pianists besides Lisitsa, Astanova and Lang. They're such slaves to the media.
There are some amazing musicians who never get mentioned on here like José Feghali, Yuri Slesarev, Victor Merzhanov, Vitaly Pisarenko, Rem Urasin and many others.
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
and if that is indeed true, it is yet another reason why i would try to keep my friends whom i am trying to get interested in classical piano from finding this forum.
That's funny, and I see your point. But there are others that are worse still - far worse.
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#1844615 - 02/14/1204:34 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
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carey
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: kdr152004
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, very few people are qualified to critique a pianist of this caliber, especially some of the loudmouths on this forum.
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
Are you saying that you know Stores personally and can vouch for his credentials?
From past communications I know just enough about his "credentials" to feel comfortable saying what I did. As for knowing him personally, well let's just say that there's only one person I really know well on PW - and it ain't him !!!
#1844625 - 02/14/1204:49 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: Entheo]
carey
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Originally Posted By: Entheo
Originally Posted By: carey
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
and if that is indeed true, it is yet another reason why i would try to keep my friends whom i am trying to get interested in classical piano from finding this forum.
#1844689 - 02/14/1206:38 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: Entheo]
stores
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Originally Posted By: Entheo
Originally Posted By: carey
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
and if that is indeed true, it is yet another reason why i would try to keep my friends whom i am trying to get interested in classical piano from finding this forum.
Why? Because I'm frankly honest about things? Because I don't allow crap to filter through and permeate things? Because I believe the music/composer should come first and not the artist and his/her selfish ideas? Because I believe things should be done the right way? Because I believe there's more to music than just blind entertainment?
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#1844934 - 02/14/1211:57 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: stores]
polyphasicpianist
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: Entheo
Originally Posted By: carey
Actually, while you may not agree with him, PW member Stores is indeed qualified to objectively critique a pianist of this caliber.
and if that is indeed true, it is yet another reason why i would try to keep my friends whom i am trying to get interested in classical piano from finding this forum.
Why? Because I'm frankly honest about things? Because I don't allow crap to filter through and permeate things? Because I believe the music/composer should come first and not the artist and his/her selfish ideas? Because I believe things should be done the right way? Because I believe there's more to music than just blind entertainment?
Yes you do almost certainly believe all of this. However, it is a shame you almost never justify these beliefs with any real reasoning. Here is the basic template of your posts:
1) Insult the person you are replying to. 2) Make a conjectural statement that contradicts what they are saying. -End of post-
For instance, why do you consider the artist selfish but not the composer? What reason is there to suppose the composer holds a monopoly on the best possible interpretation. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that a performer could come along and say "no,no,no, this would sound much better if it was done this way," and who is to say they would be wrong?
#1844937 - 02/15/1212:04 AMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
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Horowitzian
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I used to find stores particularly annoying (especially when his name was arranged somewhat differently ), but I have found that I agree with him a decent portion of the time. That said I wouldn't mind seeing these credentials.
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While everyone is entitled to their opinion, very few people are qualified to critique a pianist of this caliber, especially some of the loudmouths on this forum.
And what makes you qualified to assess what her "caliber" might be? It works both ways, you know...you liking her is just as suspect as anyone disliking her.
#1845040 - 02/15/1206:08 AMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: polyphasicpianist]
stores
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why do you consider the artist selfish but not the composer?
I'll not address the remainder of the post, because it's not important, but this I'll reply to.
It's the composer's work (I swear I want to insert a "duh" here). It's really just that simple. Would you grab a chisel and knock off part of Rodin's "Thinker" simply because you thought it would be a better sculpture? I rather doubt it (of course there's always the fear of finding yourself in the slammer haha!) Would you decide that "Hey, Monet, didn't quite add the right amount of (choose a color) to his "Impression: Sunrise"...let me fix that for him." Would you add another chapter to Dickens' "A Christmas Carol", because you felt it lacking a more fitting conclusion? Would you re-write one of the Gospels, because you FELT Jesus' story would work better this way or that? Maybe it would bring more young people to God, if Jesus threw in a little rap. Yeah that's it. The whole Bible world is too uptight and we NEED something like a little rap to break things down a bit. Let me just step to the back of the line when it's your turn on judgement day ok? When the composer says "p" or "ff" or "Allegro" or "lento" or gives us any indication at all...there is a reason. Some composers give us very little or nothing at all and some give us incredible detail. It is our responsibility to interpret what the composer has left us on the page...THAT is what interpretation is about. Interpretation has nothing to do with what you or I think...who the helll are we and who cares what we think? Any day we feel we're in a better position to amend Beethoven (for example), then we need to step back and re-focus. The "but I think it sounds better this way" argument is crap and if that's the basis for one's argument then simply stop playing, because you defile not only Beethoven, but the sacrifice so many have made in their attempt to realise what he's said to us through his music.
By the way, I owe you, nor anyone else here any more a detailed reply/rebuttal than I normally give. If you don't like it...don't read it. Simple concept really eh?
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#1845248 - 02/15/1212:07 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: stores]
polyphasicpianist
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: polyphasicpianist
why do you consider the artist selfish but not the composer?
I'll not address the remainder of the post, because it's not important, but this I'll reply to.
It's the composer's work (I swear I want to insert a "duh" here). It's really just that simple. Would you grab a chisel and knock off part of Rodin's "Thinker" simply because you thought it would be a better sculpture? I rather doubt it (of course there's always the fear of finding yourself in the slammer haha!) Would you decide that "Hey, Monet, didn't quite add the right amount of (choose a color) to his "Impression: Sunrise"...let me fix that for him." Would you add another chapter to Dickens' "A Christmas Carol", because you felt it lacking a more fitting conclusion? Would you re-write one of the Gospels, because you FELT Jesus' story would work better this way or that? Maybe it would bring more young people to God, if Jesus threw in a little rap. Yeah that's it. The whole Bible world is too uptight and we NEED something like a little rap to break things down a bit. Let me just step to the back of the line when it's your turn on judgement day ok? When the composer says "p" or "ff" or "Allegro" or "lento" or gives us any indication at all...there is a reason. Some composers give us very little or nothing at all and some give us incredible detail. It is our responsibility to interpret what the composer has left us on the page...THAT is what interpretation is about. Interpretation has nothing to do with what you or I think...who the helll are we and who cares what we think? Any day we feel we're in a better position to amend Beethoven (for example), then we need to step back and re-focus. The "but I think it sounds better this way" argument is crap and if that's the basis for one's argument then simply stop playing, because you defile not only Beethoven, but the sacrifice so many have made in their attempt to realise what he's said to us through his music.
By the way, I owe you, nor anyone else here any more a detailed reply/rebuttal than I normally give. If you don't like it...don't read it. Simple concept really eh?
I would just like to thank you Stores for confirming all my prejudices about you.
Anyway, here is a crap version of Beethoven's Cello Sonata op.69 for everyone to listen to.
#1845256 - 02/15/1212:18 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: stores]
daviel
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: polyphasicpianist
why do you consider the artist selfish but not the composer?
I'll not address the remainder of the post, because it's not important, but this I'll reply to.
It's the composer's work (I swear I want to insert a "duh" here). It's really just that simple. Would you grab a chisel and knock off part of Rodin's "Thinker" simply because you thought it would be a better sculpture? I rather doubt it (of course there's always the fear of finding yourself in the slammer haha!) Would you decide that "Hey, Monet, didn't quite add the right amount of (choose a color) to his "Impression: Sunrise"...let me fix that for him." Would you add another chapter to Dickens' "A Christmas Carol", because you felt it lacking a more fitting conclusion? Would you re-write one of the Gospels, because you FELT Jesus' story would work better this way or that? Maybe it would bring more young people to God, if Jesus threw in a little rap. Yeah that's it. The whole Bible world is too uptight and we NEED something like a little rap to break things down a bit. Let me just step to the back of the line when it's your turn on judgement day ok? When the composer says "p" or "ff" or "Allegro" or "lento" or gives us any indication at all...there is a reason. Some composers give us very little or nothing at all and some give us incredible detail. It is our responsibility to interpret what the composer has left us on the page...THAT is what interpretation is about. Interpretation has nothing to do with what you or I think...who the helll are we and who cares what we think? Any day we feel we're in a better position to amend Beethoven (for example), then we need to step back and re-focus. The "but I think it sounds better this way" argument is crap and if that's the basis for one's argument then simply stop playing, because you defile not only Beethoven, but the sacrifice so many have made in their attempt to realise what he's said to us through his music.
By the way, I owe you, nor anyone else here any more a detailed reply/rebuttal than I normally give. If you don't like it...don't read it. Simple concept really eh?
Sotres - Thank you! that is the best thing I have read all day. Great post!
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#1845283 - 02/15/1201:07 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
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cefinow
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Originally Posted By: polyphasicpianist
Beethoven's Cello Sonata op.69
On watching the sonata clips I wondered "how has this cellist slipped under my radar?" so I googled Leonard Rose. Here is an excerpt from an online bio by Tim Janof, re: this performance.
Quote:
One of Leonard Rose's frequent sonata partners was pianist Glenn Gould. Rose loved Gould's playing. "I still think his piano sound is one of the most beautiful piano sounds I've ever heard in my life!" One can watch them play together in a video of the Beethoven A Major Sonata. Watching them play together, one is struck by the electricity of their partnership, despite the fact that they were very different as performers. While Rose played with minimal excess motion and perfect poise -- the straight man -- Gould swayed, conducted, and muttered throughout the entire performance, but the combination is magical.
During the filming of that sonata, the producers asked Rose if he had memorized the music. The music stand was difficult to film around and they were hoping to get rid of it. Rose did have the piece memorized, but he thought that Gould would probably need to play from music. Gould said, "Oh, Leonard, do you want to play the piece from memory? I'll have it from memory tomorrow." And sure enough he did. Rose asked Gould how he did it, and Gould told him that he would lie in bed with the music and memorize it from there. "Glenn definitely is a kind of genius…."
#1845294 - 02/15/1201:30 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: stores]
beet31425
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Originally Posted By: stores
When the composer says "p" or "ff" or "Allegro" or "lento" or gives us any indication at all...there is a reason. Some composers give us very little or nothing at all and some give us incredible detail. It is our responsibility to interpret what the composer has left us on the page...THAT is what interpretation is about... Simple concept really eh?
While I agree with much of this, I find this explanation far too simple and dogmatic. Surely the situation is more complicated than "follow everything the composer says; otherwise it's like adding another chapter to Dickens."
For example, in this recording of Mozart K.283, Barenboim ignores Mozart's forte-piano marking at m.12. Is this because Barenboim thinks he knows better than Mozart? Is this akin to taking a chisel to Rodin?
Principles are good, but subtleties abound in anything as complex as Interpretation. A generous artistic spirit welcomes conversation and diverse views. Even among the musically intelligent and informed views, there is evidence of wondrous variety.
#1845341 - 02/15/1202:28 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: Entheo]
Nikolas
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We will be entering the same old debate I think...
How can we be 100% certain that what we see in the scores is what the composer meant? Unless we have an mp3 of Beethoven playing his sonatas we cannot begin to imagine EXACTLY how he meant some passages to be played. 'FF' does not describe in absolute numbers (db measurement) what a composer meant.
Other than that I do agree with stores to an extent... I mean the directions/instructions in the score are meant to be followed not ignored... But as long as there is respect for the work, for the composer and the spirit of the work I think it's kinda... fine...
#1845554 - 02/15/1207:12 PMRe: how has this pianist slipped under my radar?
[Re: beet31425]
stores
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
Barenboim ignores Mozart's forte-piano marking at m.12. Is this because Barenboim thinks he knows better than Mozart? Is this akin to taking a chisel to Rodin?
If the "forte" is truly from Mozart then Barenboim is wrong. It's as simple as that. If the composer says "forte" and you play it "piano", it's wrong. If you substitute "hers" for "his", when reading a story you've introduced a character the author never created.
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