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#1879149 - 04/13/12 07:01 PM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: sgao]
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Strange I've never heard of or can imagine how it would happen that any messages would appear on the screen when you plug a headphone in because the usual 3.5 mm jack isn't directly connected to anything in the software like a USB connection is.
Generally the PC won't know if something is plugged into the jack or not since there's no feedback to the computer from the audio out jack as far as I know.
And if it is a PC I've only known them to have the audio output colour coded as a standardized green on every pc I've ever seen (don't know about Macs).
Even though you don't know what they mean what do the windows that pop up say?
I might be able to figure out what the issue is from that.
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#1879165 - 04/13/12 07:46 PM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: Sparky McBiff]
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Originally Posted By: Sparky McBiff
Strange I've never heard of or can imagine how it would happen that any messages would appear on the screen when you plug a headphone in because the usual 3.5 mm jack isn't directly connected to anything in the software like a USB connection is.
Generally the PC won't know if something is plugged into the jack or not since there's no feedback to the computer from the audio out jack as far as I know.
And if it is a PC I've only known them to have the audio output colour coded as a standardized green on every pc I've ever seen.
Even though you don't know what they mean what do the windows that pop up say?
I might be able to figure out what the issue is from that.


It turns out there are 2 jacks despite zero color designation (maybe 'cause it's a laptop?), they must be different, and I had plugged into the wrong one. This time I tried the other jack. It did know I plugged in something and gave me a window with 2 options one of which was "headphones." (That option did not appear in the sequence of windows that had popped up when I had mistakenly used the other jack.) Of course I clicked on "headphones." That's all I needed to do! Now it works! Thanks, Sparky!

The headphones I'm using are standard Bose noise cancelling phones my brother bought me years ago. Are they supposed to be any good?

I ask because I'm literally spending more than half my practicing (on a Silent C2 Yamaha) through these phones, they sound OK to me but not as great as what I've heard about Yamaha's supposedly terrific silent system (though they do sound better than the phones that come with the piano), and I hate the fact that it has batteries and if something better is out there that doesn't require batteries, I'm [as they say] all ears. If only I didn't have to worry about neighbors below and to the sides, alas . . . (I much prefer the sound of the real piano component to the digital, of course.)

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#1879174 - 04/13/12 08:11 PM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: sgao]
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I would try Beyer or Sennheiser

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#1879213 - 04/13/12 09:29 PM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: jivemutha]
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Hey good to hear jive. thumb

I was almost certain that it was probably a very simple thing.
(I think you just plugged into the mic input instead of the headphone output since they're almost always right beside each other).

I'm not too knowledgeable on different headphones themselves but I'm sure the Bose are going to be WAY better than listening through computer speakers.
I do know that there are much better ones out there and Bose is known for having very good marketing but they are far from the best but you just have to decide if they are fine for you.
Unfortunately there's no real way to tell until you compare them with others.
Other people will be able to help you more than I can with headphone selection.

But I'm glad you got it working.
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#1879290 - 04/14/12 12:14 AM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: Sparky McBiff]
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Originally Posted By: Sparky McBiff
Strange I've never heard of or can imagine how it would happen that any messages would appear on the screen when you plug a headphone in because the usual 3.5 mm jack isn't directly connected to anything in the software like a USB connection is.
Generally the PC won't know if something is plugged into the jack or not since there's no feedback to the computer from the audio out jack as far as I know.
And if it is a PC I've only known them to have the audio output colour coded as a standardized green on every pc I've ever seen (don't know about Macs).
Even though you don't know what they mean what do the windows that pop up say?
I might be able to figure out what the issue is from that.


My computer knows when stuff is plugged into different audio jacks. With nothing plugged in, the impedance across the terminals is Gohms+ but once something is plugged in, the impedance changes. You can sense this by simply monitoring the dummy voltage. Mics and headphones are extremely related (you can technically use a mic as a crappy speaker and a speaker as a crappy mic). Electronically, mics typically have a substantially higher input impedance compared to headphones.

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#1879300 - 04/14/12 12:36 AM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: Wound up]
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Originally Posted By: Wound up
I would try Beyer or Sennheiser


Maybe a trip to the library is in order, as Consumer Reports might deal with this kind of thing. That would be a whole lot easier than pawing through audiophile magazines . . .

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#1879333 - 04/14/12 02:02 AM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: sgao]
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With all respect Monitoring systems are much like pianos, In that even among top pros there is a wide differential of opinion-- Also like pianos the differences are rather easy to hear once you A+B them.. Especially for a specific function.. Find a shop that will let you demo a few or get ready to buy and return etc. If you go for something fairly high end someone will likely play along. Bose are great for noise canceling but they are certainly strange to listen too. I personally hate them. I do not shop at sweet water but I would say Beyer is a good place to start if you do not wanna mess around with a/b ing--

consumer reports might be the worst place haha


http://www.sweetwater.com/c412--Beyerdynamic--Headphones

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#1879414 - 04/14/12 07:56 AM Re: Kawai RX-2BLK or Young Chang YP-185... Or Hailun 178/198? [Re: Gomer]
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Originally Posted By: Gomer

My computer knows when stuff is plugged into different audio jacks. With nothing plugged in, the impedance across the terminals is Gohms+ but once something is plugged in, the impedance changes. You can sense this by simply monitoring the dummy voltage. Mics and headphones are extremely related (you can technically use a mic as a crappy speaker and a speaker as a crappy mic). Electronically, mics typically have a substantially higher input impedance compared to headphones.


Interesting.
I wasn't aware that some computers can monitor the impedance at the audio outputs to give some sort of configuration feedback.
Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it.


Edited by Sparky McBiff (04/14/12 07:56 AM)
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