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#1854391 - 03/01/12 04:54 PM Re: as Krishna said to Arjuna on the battlefield... [Re: Entheo]
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An interesting approach to this Impromptu, Entheo. In many Schubert piano pieces, I've always found it very difficult to establish a satisfying pace. Too slow, and it feels endless; too fast, and it feels rushed and forced. For this particular Impromptu, Section A has for me more of a "dance" feel than a "hymn" feel -- but, having said that, his highly dramatic development of the first statement implies, I must admit, more of the hymn than the dance -- and that aspect you project very well.

I'm not persuaded much by your approach to the "B" section. First off, I think you're using too much pedal throughout this section; but secondly (and more importantly), I hear much more lyricism and less virtuosity than what you're projecting in this performance. I agree that there is a "storm" quality to this section -- but I'd be inclined to emphasize the singing line, which IMO is quite especially beautiful; really the high point of the Impromptu for me.

My only comment on the re-statement of Section "A" is that I would deliberately pick and choose a few details to project differently than the first time around. The reason I say that is that the section is really quite long (again, pace!), and with your approach, I think we have time to savor some subtle changes in the dramatic arch.

Having said all of this, I still found your performance solid and satisfying -- thanks for sharing this!

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#1854437 - 03/01/12 06:11 PM Re: as Krishna said to Arjuna on the battlefield... [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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thanks for the great feedback, tim. i do hear section A as more hymn-like than dance like, and don't like section B too fast, but you're right, i'm beating the heck out of B.

now if only i can implement your suggestions (silk purse out with sow's hands and all smile )
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#1855394 - 03/03/12 07:29 AM Song of the Fisherwomen version 2 [Re: Entheo]
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re-recorded the latest gurdjieff/de hartmann with my new mics, and having some fun with windoz movie maker. let me know what you think...


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#1855397 - 03/03/12 07:49 AM Re: Song of the Fisherwomen version 2 [Re: Entheo]
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Thanks Entheo,
Beautiful piece of music expressed through your interpretation.

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#2028816 - 02/07/13 03:14 PM Bach (Busoni) - Ich Ruf' Zu Dir, Herr [Re: Entheo]
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"I call on Thee, Lord"

In memory of the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.



Took me a lot longer to work up than it did for Valentina Lisitsa who, by complete coincidence, chose the same piece as I did.
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#2031110 - 02/11/13 12:15 PM Re: Persian Song by G.I Gurdjieff & Thomas de Hartmann [Re: Entheo]
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Entheo, for me, the Persian Song is reminiscent of Satie's "Gnossiennes" -- the same static rhythmic pulse throughout, the odd shifts in harmonic modulation at various junctures. If I recall, Gnossiennes was early Satie, when he was deep into his Rosicrucian mystical phase. Were Gurdjieff/de Hartmann part of that same mode of thinking?

As regards the appended commentary, I can offer a very pronounced, definite "Huh?". Hopefully, you didn't destroy large parts of Chicago by channeling too deeply into the objective art while performing this!

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#2031407 - 02/11/13 06:06 PM Re: Persian Song by G.I Gurdjieff & Thomas de Hartmann [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
Entheo, for me, the Persian Song is reminiscent of Satie's "Gnossiennes" -- the same static rhythmic pulse throughout, the odd shifts in harmonic modulation at various junctures. If I recall, Gnossiennes was early Satie, when he was deep into his Rosicrucian mystical phase. Were Gurdjieff/de Hartmann part of that same mode of thinking?

As regards the appended commentary, I can offer a very pronounced, definite "Huh?". Hopefully, you didn't destroy large parts of Chicago by channeling too deeply into the objective art while performing this!


tim, i don't recall ever coming across specific references to the rosicrucians in my gurdjieffian studies, but plenty of references to gnostic christianity so quite likely a connection there.

many of gurdjieff's writings & talks represent a sufi/'nasrudin' perspective designed to disrupt the mechanical flow of life and bring about 'huh?' moments (vs. 'aha' moments).

however, i can assure you chicago remains largely intact in spite of my best efforts to throw monkey wrenches into the machine. smile
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#2034664 - 02/17/13 09:48 AM JS Bach: Partita No. 2 BWV 826 Rondeau [Re: Entheo]
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there's just something about Bach that cleanses the soul. my latest attempt...

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#2034671 - 02/17/13 10:01 AM Re: JS Bach: Partita No. 2 BWV 826 Rondeau [Re: Entheo]
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Wow, Entheo, do you play Bach well! Clear as a bell throughout. I'd love to hear your interpretation of the entire Partita. Thanks for sharing this!

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#2034673 - 02/17/13 10:11 AM Re: JS Bach: Partita No. 2 BWV 826 Rondeau [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Wow, Entheo, do you play Bach well! Clear as a bell throughout. I'd love to hear your interpretation of the entire Partita. Thanks for sharing this!


thanks so much tim! yeah, i'd like to hear my interpretation of the entire partita too wink

i am going to work on the subsequent capriccio next and hopefully hook them together. i believe martha argerich played them together on one of her earlier albums, albeit at a slightly faster tempo eek
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#2057385 - 03/31/13 02:11 PM Ständchen (Serenade) by Franz Schubert [Re: Entheo]
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just in time for spring; hope you will enjoy...

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#2057389 - 03/31/13 02:30 PM Re: Ständchen (Serenade) by Franz Schubert [Re: Entheo]
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So..... grin I'm guessing you saw the Standchen stuff on the other thread? smile

Listening to the beginning....I don't think I've ever heard the staccatos interpreted that way, how you do it in the intro. I sure wouldn't; I don't think it sets up much of a "serenade," more of a haunting threat. ha
But you're conveying a clear take, a clear point of view, which many things don't, and it's interesting, plus, while you don't continue that accompaniment figure in the same way, the way you play the melody is in line with the feel of that intro.

BTW nice pic up there. grin

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#2057404 - 03/31/13 02:58 PM Re: Ständchen (Serenade) by Franz Schubert [Re: Entheo]
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Did you really intend to have such a strong accent on the second and third beats in the opening measures? It does indeed sound strange, and I wonder how you would justify it, musically.

How do the last two macabre images fit in with the celebration of Spring or with the text of Schubert's "Ständchen"?

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#2057406 - 03/31/13 03:02 PM Re: JS Bach: Partita No. 2 BWV 826 Rondeau [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Wow, Entheo, do you play Bach well! Clear as a bell throughout. I'd love to hear your interpretation of the entire Partita. Thanks for sharing this!

DITTO !!!!!

And I believe this is the first time I've heard your new Yamaha C7. Beautiful tone !!!! thumb
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#2057416 - 03/31/13 03:12 PM Re: Ständchen (Serenade) by Franz Schubert [Re: BruceD]
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Did you really intend to have such a strong accent on the second and third beats in the opening measures? It does indeed sound strange....

It's not just the accents but also the extreme shortness of the staccatos. They add up to a very jagged feel.

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#2057418 - 03/31/13 03:14 PM Re: Ständchen (Serenade) by Franz Schubert [Re: Entheo]
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Originally Posted By: Entheo
just in time for spring; hope you will enjoy...


"Spring" with a little "Day of the Dead" thrown in at the end. Excellent choice for the final image, however !!!!! grin

I know - and appreciate - how much work goes into putting together a video such as this - and you certainly made this one interesting from a visual standpoint !!!

I enjoyed your uniquely personal (and obviously heartfelt) rendition - but agree with Mark and Bruce regarding your unusual approach to the opening measures.

The Yamaha sounds good !!

Keep 'em coming Ed !!!!!!!
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#2057421 - 03/31/13 03:18 PM Re: Ständchen (Serenade) by Franz Schubert [Re: Entheo]
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thanks for your comments. no, i haven't seen any other threads on standchen, so i'm afraid i don't have a frame of reference for those. i did experiment a LOT with the accompaniment, and for some reason separating the first four measure as such just ended up appealing to me. i've heard other recordings with the left hand quite staccato, but it's usually carried forward, but not always, or it's varied. horowitz's recording is quite enigmatic and beautiful, so what i took from his interpretation was to find an interpretation that appealed to me. it may not be anyone else's cup of tea, and that's okay; i'm actually more pleased with this piece than most of my other attempts. it is, after all, all grist for the mill.

regarding the "macabre images" -- in many latin american countries (notably mexico) they celebrate El Día de los Muertos, of which those paintings are representational. it's a celebration of love and remembrance; nothing macabre about it at all; in fact quite beautiful -- i've been to numerous dia de los muertos exhibits and they radiate with love. serenades can be to the departed as well.

cheers.
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#2057427 - 03/31/13 03:33 PM Re: Ständchen (Serenade) by Franz Schubert [Re: Entheo]
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regarding the "macabre images" -- in many latin american countries (notably mexico) they celebrate El Día de los Muertos, of which those paintings are representational. it's a celebration of love and remembrance; nothing macabre about it at all; in fact quite beautiful -- i've been to numerous dia de los muertos exhibits and they radiate with love. serenades can be to the departed as well.


I figured that was your rationale. smile
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#2060319 - 04/06/13 11:37 AM Scarlatti Sonata in d minor, K. 32 [Re: Entheo]
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I've accompanied this sonata (which reminds me of a sketch) with a slide show of Leonardo da Vinci's drawings (with one notable exception). Although they were born 233 years and 320 miles apart, I daresay that Scarlatti shared da Vinci's "unquenchable curiosity" and "feverishly inventive imagination". Hope you will enjoy...

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#2077143 - 05/04/13 12:44 PM Assyrian Women Mourners by G.I. Gurdjieff and Thomas de Hart [Re: Entheo]
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my youtube channel has developed a nice little worldwide audience of gurdjieff/de hartmann music fans. here's my latest...

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#2077368 - 05/04/13 07:58 PM Re: Assyrian Women Mourners by G.I. Gurdjieff and Thomas de Hart [Re: Entheo]
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Appropriately hypnotic, Entheo! I don't know whether you noticed a very recent thread indicating that Frederic Chiu is issuing a recording of the Gurdjieff/de Hartmann collaborations in the near future. I confess to much preferring the incantatory efforts of Satie and Mompou to these, but they're still a heckuva lot better than some of the New Age-y noodlings. In the posting, there are several YouTube segments of Chiu working with the recording personnel to get just the right sound quality. Given your interest in this music, I'd strongly recommend this, if you haven't reviewed it already.

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#2077445 - 05/05/13 12:44 AM Re: Assyrian Women Mourners by G.I. Gurdjieff and Thomas de Hart [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
Appropriately hypnotic, Entheo! I don't know whether you noticed a very recent thread indicating that Frederic Chiu is issuing a recording of the Gurdjieff/de Hartmann collaborations in the near future. I confess to much preferring the incantatory efforts of Satie and Mompou to these, but they're still a heckuva lot better than some of the New Age-y noodlings. In the posting, there are several YouTube segments of Chiu working with the recording personnel to get just the right sound quality. Given your interest in this music, I'd strongly recommend this, if you haven't reviewed it already.


tim, yes i'm aware of the chiu recordings, and thank you for the heads up. my favorite artist for performing gurdjieff/ de hartmann is alain kremski -- for me he is the one who captures the spirit of "objective music", the feel which differentiates this music from any other. if you can find his recordings - not easy - i highly recommend acquiring them. they transmit what i believe to be what gurdjieff & de hartmann were attempting to convey beyond the notes themselves.
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#2081254 - 05/12/13 08:24 AM Re: Assyrian Women Mourners by G.I. Gurdjieff and Thomas de Hart [Re: Entheo]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
Appropriately hypnotic, Entheo! I don't know whether you noticed a very recent thread indicating that Frederic Chiu is issuing a recording of the Gurdjieff/de Hartmann collaborations in the near future. I confess to much preferring the incantatory efforts of Satie and Mompou to these, but they're still a heckuva lot better than some of the New Age-y noodlings. In the posting, there are several YouTube segments of Chiu working with the recording personnel to get just the right sound quality. Given your interest in this music, I'd strongly recommend this, if you haven't reviewed it already.


tim, yes i'm aware of the chiu recordings, and thank you for the heads up. my favorite artist for performing gurdjieff/ de hartmann is alain kremski -- for me he is the one who captures the spirit of "objective music", the feel which differentiates this music from any other. if you can find his recordings - not easy - i highly recommend acquiring them. they transmit what i believe to be what gurdjieff & de hartmann were attempting to convey beyond the notes themselves.


for those of you who might be interested in a bit of background into the gurdjieff/de hartmann music, i've come across a wonderful interview and examples of the music performed on traditional instruments (dudukis). mr. eskenian is quite correct that although the pieces were written for the piano, it is incapable of capturing the microtones of the music. also note the circular breathing technique employed by the musicians (very difficult; didjeridu players and indeed some horn players like clark terry used this technique):

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#2207159 - 01/02/14 09:48 PM Orthodox Hymn from Asia Minor by Gurdjieff / de Hartmann... [Re: Entheo]
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