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#1859898 - 03/11/12 02:36 PM Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..)
Maryvania Offline
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Registered: 03/10/12
Posts: 9
Hi,

Here is my issue: I have been looking for a digital piano and trying to look at the forum; however it looks like everyone has their own mind set and one can agree that Yamaha Arius YDP-141 is not too bad, while another one will disapprove it, which makes it really difficult for me to choose what to buy.

My price range will be $600-1000.

Any thoughts on the following pianos?

- Yamaha YDP 141
- Adagio KDP-8826PE
- Kawai PN80
- Kawai CL-25
- Samick DCP-8

If you do not recommend the above ones, do not hesitate to give me hints on what to buy.
I am still a beginner (only a year of private lessons) but would like to get a digital piano that would be really close to an acoustic one for my price range.

Thanks everyone,

M.

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#1859901 - 03/11/12 02:41 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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As everyone will tell you, despite their personal preference/prejudice, try them out and buy what you like. If necessary, take a knowledgeable person with you (preferably an advanced player).
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#1859907 - 03/11/12 02:51 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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Your $600-$1000 constrains your choices. But, there's the P155 in the $900-$1000 range. It's much better than the YDP141 (better keyboard action).

But the P155 is a keyboard, not a console. Is that important? You'll pay more for a console of equivalent quality. For example, the YDP161 console compares to the P155 keyboard. But the YDp161 is priced several hundred dollars more.

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#1859913 - 03/11/12 02:53 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Maryvania Offline
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Thanks Voxpops for your quick reply.
If I listen to myself, I'd go with the Yamaha YDP-141 .. however both my teacher and a piano specialist did not recommend it as it will not give me the chance to give any dynamics while playing.
Also as a beginner, when I tried the above ones out, I can distinguish the difference between any of them, that is why I am looking for recommendations on this forum.

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#1859914 - 03/11/12 02:56 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Maryvania Offline
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MacMac, what did you mean by console? Did you mean that the P155 is more like a toy than a "real" piano?
Would you recommend me the P155 to play classics such as Chopin, Bach, Clementi etc...?

Thanks again.

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#1859919 - 03/11/12 02:59 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
MacMacMac Offline
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The YDP141 is a console ... made to look like a console upright piano.

The P155 is a slab keyboard ... no stand. You can add a stand, but it looks like a keyboard on a stand, not at all like an upright piano.

Is that an important difference to you?

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#1859923 - 03/11/12 03:02 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Maryvania Offline
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Actually it is. I already have a keyboard mounted on a stand, but I am more interested in full-cabinet digital piano.

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#1859928 - 03/11/12 03:09 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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Then I would suggest raising your budget, if at all possible. You will not be able to get a reasonable approximation of an acoustic piano (both sound and, more importantly, action) in a cabinet form at that price. Used is a possibility, but you should really be looking at the latest technology, such as the Kawai RH action or the Roland PHAIII. Pianos equipped with these actions will enable you to progress to more advanced levels of playing.
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#1859930 - 03/11/12 03:14 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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I agree with voxpops.

So skip the YDP141. It has the GHS keyboard action. Not very good.

Instead, try a YDP161 or YDP181. Those have the GH keyboard action. Much better.

Or try the Kawai line of consoles.
Or the Rolands perhaps?

Expect to spend $1200-$2000 on a decent console. The lower priced consoles have inferior keyboards.

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#1859967 - 03/11/12 03:57 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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Oh noes...avoid the Adagio...srsly.

Maybe the P155 will do for you?

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#1859971 - 03/11/12 04:00 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: MacMacMac]
Maryvania Offline
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What about the Kawai I mentioned above PN80 and CL-25? I know it is an old version but can I still consider it?

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#1859980 - 03/11/12 04:10 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Maryvania Offline
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I think the best bet will be to increase my price range then.
Thanks everyone for your tips.

By the way, anyone would have a saying about the Samick DCP-8?

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#1859988 - 03/11/12 04:19 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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I suggest sticking to the top brands - Kawai, Yamaha, Roland, and looking for those models with the best action that you can possibly afford.

I have a Roland FP-7F, and I can thoroughly recommend it as a piano substitute, but others will have different opinions - and, without a discount, it will cost $2k. It also lacks a full cabinet. There may well be a Kawai cabinet model of equivalent "stature" available at that price. Hopefully, Kawai James or someone else may be able to chime in here.
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#1860013 - 03/11/12 05:15 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: voxpops]
Maryvania Offline
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And what would you think about Kawai PN80 and CL-25?

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#1860029 - 03/11/12 05:28 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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I would strike the PN80 off your list. It's "ancient" technology and not worth considering. Even the lowest Casio model will run rings around that one. The CL25 is outmoded, but not by such a margin. The AHAIV action is decent, if not the latest and greatest. Kawai's Harmonic Imaging technology is quite good. I have not played a CL25, so cannot comment further, but I would expect the current range to outperform the CL25 in almost every respect.
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#1860034 - 03/11/12 05:36 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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The Kawai CL26 is the replacement for the CL25. It has an upgraded action, greater polyphony, but by all accounts the same sound system and price.

It may also be worth waiting for Musikmesse later this month to see what new models might be announced by the major manufacturers.
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#1860048 - 03/11/12 06:00 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Kawai James Offline
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Maryvania,

I would definitely avoid the PN80 - this is a very old DP.

The CL25 is also rather mature, and has been replaced by the CL26.

Voxpops is largely correct that the CL26 is an upgraded CL25, however the upgrade (higher quality piano sound with 88-key sampling) is quite significant.

An alternative 'slab-type' may be the EP3, however this model uses the older piano sounds from the CL25.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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#1860107 - 03/11/12 08:35 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Kawai James]
Maryvania Offline
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Registered: 03/10/12
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Thanks everyone for your expertise; that really helps smile

So I went to check some pianos and think about buying the KDP80. The new model will be out soon but it will be way over my budget, so I think this model should be quite interesting.

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#1860112 - 03/11/12 08:40 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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The specs look similar to the CL26, but the cabinet certainly looks a little classier. It seems to be a model reserved for Canada (why?). Do you mind me asking the price you've been quoted?

Good luck with your eventual purchase!
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#1860121 - 03/11/12 08:53 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Kawai James Offline
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The KDP80 is essentially a re-badged CN21/CN22, with a slightly cost-reduced cabinet (similar to how the low-end Yamaha Clavinovas became the YDP-161). It's a perfectly fine beginners digital piano, but given the choice, I would definitely pay the extra for a model with the latest sound/action technology, such as the Kawai CN23 or Roland RP-301.

Kind regards,
James
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#1860259 - 03/12/12 01:12 AM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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You might want to consider KORG SP170 and SP250 for slab type and LP350 for console type. All these are priced at the entry level but offers very decent key action and relatively high quality sounds.

Many beginners and even experienced players play these.

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#1862128 - 03/14/12 10:32 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Maryvania Offline
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Registered: 03/10/12
Posts: 9
Thanks to all of you, thanks for participating to my thread. Your expertise was very helpful.

Thanks Kawai James. There is actually a consequent price difference between the KPD80 and CN23. The store I went to sells the KDP half price as new models are coming anytime soon. The KDP80 is sold at $1100, while the CN23 would be at $2400.
I am already stretching my budget ... so I think I will go with the KDP80. You said that it is still a perfectly fine piano for beginners.

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#1862135 - 03/14/12 10:42 PM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
Kawai James Offline
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Maryvania, you're most welcome.

I hadn't realised the difference in price between the KDP80 and CN23 was quite so large.

Yes, the KDP80, is a perfectly fine digital piano for beginners, however I would definitely spend a little time play-testing similarly priced models from other manufacturers before making your final decision.

Kind regards,
James
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#1863516 - 03/17/12 06:08 AM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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Originally Posted By: Maryvania
Hi,

Here is my issue: I have been looking for a digital piano and trying to look at the forum; however it looks like everyone has their own mind set and one can agree that Yamaha Arius YDP-141 is not too bad, while another one will disapprove it, which makes it really difficult for me to choose what to buy.

My price range will be $600-1000.

Any thoughts on the following pianos?

- Yamaha YDP 141
- Adagio KDP-8826PE
- Kawai PN80
- Kawai CL-25
- Samick DCP-8

If you do not recommend the above ones, do not hesitate to give me hints on what to buy.
I am still a beginner (only a year of private lessons) but would like to get a digital piano that would be really close to an acoustic one for my price range.

Thanks everyone,

M.

If you're new to playing piano then your quite right in asking advice from the members of this forum, no where better to ask. However, if you play, only a little perhaps, just go play a few makes and models but disregard the makers label, and specifications, see how the piano feels, is the sound to your liking? Recently I've found that even some unknown piano brands are rapidly improving, and with a big price advantage. Necessary Piano quality depends on your ambitions, as to what level you wish to become as a pianist, there is a level where only a Steinway Grand would do justice to your playing.

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#1863550 - 03/17/12 08:17 AM Re: Beginner looking for some advice (Yamaha, Samick etc..) [Re: Maryvania]
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One thing often neglected when considering the purchase of a digital is the service aspect. Servicing digitals is much different than acoustics. Many times, if a part is not available for an acoustic the tech can fabricate one. Not so with digitals. And many companies choose not to support older models. This can range from not supporting a 5 year old model to not supporting a model once the warranty expires.. I once had to TRY to service a digital that the company could not provide parts for and it was STILL UNDER WARRANTY!!! Some of these companies would surprise you if you knew who they were. I'm not here to bash those brands, so I won't go into who they are, but it is an aspect everyone should look into before purchasing. No matter how much you might like something, what good is it if it can't be fixed if it breaks?

I will mention, though, that there are two companies that have impressed me with their willingness to support their products, many times long after they are discontinued. Maybe one day they will fall in line with the trend of, "Oh, it's broke? Oh well, we can sell you a new one.." But for now IMHO they support their models after the sale... They are Kawai and Yamaha. I have gotten parts and support for both brands long after they were new, some were 10 or 15 years old...
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