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#1864913 - 03/19/12 06:47 PM Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012
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The "world's leading trade fair for the world of music" is just around the corner.

What new product(s) would you like to see annouced at this event? Or new features added to an existing product.

I will get the ball rolling:

1) The V-Piano Upright for the type of person who hasn't the space / budget for the V-Piano Grand but want the touch and sound of the V in a family friendly format. Me, for example. Price? Less than half way between the V-Piano and the V-Piano Grand.

2) Any DP from any manufacturer with a user interface that actually belongs in the 21st century and puts all the others to shame.
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#1864940 - 03/19/12 07:29 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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I'd like to see an affordable hybrid that uses the action from a nine footer.
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#1864944 - 03/19/12 07:38 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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An affordable hybrid with a grand action, period.

Actually, on the perfection side it would be nice if someone would make a hybrid that actually incorporated the weight of the dampers correctly. On acoustics, the downweight of a key is significantly lower when the pedal is depressed. All digitals and hybrids currently living have a constant downweight, unrelated to the pedal. AvantGrands appear to aim for a downweight in between the two acoustic scenarios, which feels heavy to some people.

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#1864968 - 03/19/12 08:28 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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How about a tablet actually made for musicians - big enough for full-sized print music, a simple blinking light metronome (app controlled, of course but one that doesn't take up screen space to operate) and a powered connection that can draw from the keyboard. And access to sample libraries from some of our favorite software instruments, perhaps only limited patches, but available for live output.
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#1864974 - 03/19/12 08:46 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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To complement Sam's suggestion, how about a good quality, weighted-key controller (i.e. action only, no onboard sounds), with a USB jack developed especially for tablets?
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#1864979 - 03/19/12 08:54 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: Kawai James]
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Can we expect any new models whether slab or console- Some of the brands seem due after 3 years
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#1865053 - 03/19/12 10:45 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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I will jump in ... Tee hee

Maybe ...

A new Kawai CA63/93 Replacement with

Better Action - closer to design of a Renner
Real Let Off
Real hammer weight
ABS Mechanism
Better Amplifier system - more power
Two Actuators on the Soundboard - Mid Range and Low Range
Real Spruce Soundboard?
Updated cabinet
Optical Sensors (3-4) on each Key
New - Updated Piano sampled tones
Follow on to UPHI? Better than Roland SN?

And,

Maybe a "Kindle" (iPad?) for downloading thousands of Music Scores for cheap
Ability to change Key on Demand and Illustrate Score properly on Kindle
USB connection between Piano and Kindle and ability to follow Music played and scroll Score across Screen in a bidirectional manner

+++

If not now, maybe at NAMM ... Tee hee
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#1865843 - 03/21/12 09:39 AM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Okay, so we've known about the Electro 4D for a while...and the show is officially open...awfully quiet so far. Any new news?
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#1865854 - 03/21/12 10:01 AM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Pretty boring in terms of DP news:

http://www.musicradar.com/event/musikmesse
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#1865856 - 03/21/12 10:02 AM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Roland Jupiter 50 has been announced.

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#1865891 - 03/21/12 11:04 AM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Well, I hate to be the voice of reason (actually, I don't), but with the global economy still in the toilet, I'd say this is a sign of the times. If folks ain't buyin'---either because they can't, or are holding on tight, or are satisfied with what they have---then it's hard to justify the R&D $$$, to put out new stuff, if you're not moving existing product.

Having spent time in retail, I know, it's a tough gig when times are good---especially with commodity items and internet commerce...it's even tougher when the economy is in the tank.

Nord seems to be doing okay...well, at least they're putting out product...


Edited by dje31 (03/21/12 11:05 AM)
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#1866008 - 03/21/12 02:29 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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#1866023 - 03/21/12 03:12 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Interesting on the Physis Piano. Seems like an actual competitor for the V-Piano. Any word on pricing or availability? Or is it vaporware?
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#1866053 - 03/21/12 04:18 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: dje31]
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#1866060 - 03/21/12 04:29 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: dje31]
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Originally Posted By: dje31
Interesting on the Physis Piano. Seems like an actual competitor for the V-Piano. Any word on pricing or availability? Or is it vaporware?

This is yet another Italian venture that pushes the envelope. I shall be very interested to see/hear this product. I just hope they have instituted proper quality control and parts sourcing, as well as effective marketing and customer support, as those seem to be the areas where they don't often score high marks.

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#1866065 - 03/21/12 04:40 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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At the bottom of the page it says: Viscount. Wasn't that a sample library manufacturer?
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#1866069 - 03/21/12 04:51 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Viscount is/was a manufacturer of digital pianos and organs. They used to be in cahoots with Oberheim, and now they produce Galileo brand instruments.

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#1866082 - 03/21/12 05:19 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I just hope they have instituted proper quality control and parts sourcing, as well as effective marketing and customer support, as those seem to be the areas where they don't often score high marks.


I hope it too voxpops (also as an Italian) and naturally I'm also courious to listen how it sounds.
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#1866095 - 03/21/12 05:38 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: f.locutus]
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Originally Posted By: f.locutus


Looks interesting.

The touch panel reminds me of the Kawai DP1...
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#1866192 - 03/21/12 08:33 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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I can't help but be reminded of the GEM ProMega series...for which I always pined, but I'm not sure ever lived up to its potential. Perhaps these folks will get it right.

I also can't help but wonder if GEM PM folks are also involved here...


Edited by dje31 (03/21/12 08:38 PM)
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#1866217 - 03/21/12 09:07 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: dje31]
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Originally Posted By: dje31
I can't help but be reminded of the GEM ProMega series...for which I always pined, but I'm not sure ever lived up to its potential. Perhaps these folks will get it right.

I also can't help but wonder if GEM PM folks are also involved here...

Both the Physis and GEM products have had university input (Padova in the case of GEM). I suspect that the research has been ongoing for years, with cross-fertilization involving former GEM employees. I saw a post recently from a Viscount rep that stated that their i-motion chip is similar to GEM's Drake engine.

Having owned two GEM products based on the Promega engine, I can say that it was a great concept, but that the long-term reliability factor was an issue.

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#1866353 - 03/22/12 12:34 AM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: doremi]
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Originally Posted By: doremi
I want prettier girls to demo the DPs grin


+1

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#1866474 - 03/22/12 08:56 AM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: Manolios]
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Sexism everywhere? What about prettier boys? cool
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#1866584 - 03/22/12 12:29 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Girls look nicer lying across pianos than boys do

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#1866789 - 03/22/12 06:43 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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#1866794 - 03/22/12 06:48 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Hmmmm ...

All that depends on their ages ...
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#1866809 - 03/22/12 07:14 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Back on topic...

I'm a little curious about the BK-5 OR ('OR' = 'oriental'?) backing keyboard from Roland:

http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=bk-5_or

Although this type of 'arranger' product isn't terribly interesting for me personally, it's clear that Roland have identified a market need for an instrument that caters for Arabic tastes.

Cheers,
James
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#1866821 - 03/22/12 07:27 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
it's clear that Roland have identified a market need for an instrument that caters for Arabic tastes.


Another product to plug one of the holes left when GEM went belly-up. Their "oriental" workstations with quarter-tone capability were fascinating keyboards.

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#1866822 - 03/22/12 07:28 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Santana settings and all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SYnEyCoSo&feature=related

It's an up-market cheese bucket. Fascinating.
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#1866828 - 03/22/12 07:35 PM Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt - March 21 - 24 2012 [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Dripping in cheese, but there's no denying he's a great player, and does an excellent job of demo-ing the board.

Cheese Cheers,
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EDIT: Wow, it has an onboard vocoder too (around the 7 minute mark...)?
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