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You are Bob. You are APerfectpiano.com! :):):)


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Originally Posted by rysowers
[...] I talked to one technicians who lived between two chapters. At first he went to the bigger one (probably around 50 members) and was surprised that nobody came and said hi to him, and he felt like he basically got the cold shoulder.

Then he went to another somewhat smaller (35 members) chapter that was a little further to drive and was surprised by the difference: a warm welcome and introduction to the group and much looked for support. Within a few years he was chapter President!

The PTG is a very complex organization with no shortage of big egos. There are also some amazing people who give a tremendous amount without seeking anything in return. There are plenty of eccentrics (like you would expect in this type of work) and there are also a good number of suits. It brings people together from the extreme left and right of politics, and folks of all types of religious persuasion. [...]


Sounds like church! grin


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Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear

Sounds like church! grin


Just without the choir.
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Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear

Sounds like church! grin


Just without the choir.
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...because everybody's a preacher? whome


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Jerry,

You're always helping us get a Handel on things...

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You you mean this kind of Handel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU


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LOL! Now you are preaching! grin


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I'm playing my own saggggaaaa now.

Hey, aren't I playing YOUR song now Andy? hahaha


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This is my song:

http://youtu.be/2NHHjn5i3JY


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But, I think they kind of want to do it My way.

You know, you Gave me a mountain to climb here.


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Originally Posted by Jerry Groot RPT
But, I think they kind of want to do it My way.

You know, you Gave me a mountain to climb here.


Thank you, Jerry. Thankyouverymush.


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thumb ha

Now that "we've" lightened things up again, go ahead and continue your conversations as per the threads original topic if you so desire. smile


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Originally Posted by Bob
A Perfect Piano was first in the phone book listings......back in the days when the phone book worked! ha ha.


That's the main reason I became a piano tech. It put me in the yellow pages between physicians and pizza.


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With more than 600 calories and a week’s worth of sodium per slice, it is the physician that comes later.

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Originally Posted by Emmery
The retesting for members who let their membership lapse is simply a money grab. It is ludicrous to assume that failure to keep up with membership or dues is in any way tied in with a loss of competancy. If this were the case, every school in the world would be charging yearly fees for graduates to retain their diplomas or credentials.


It is my understanding that retesting is only required of lapsed members if the exams have changed since they were originally taken.

Your comparison with schools is specious as the PTG isn't a school. All professional organizations require their members to to pay yearly fees to retain their credentials and more than a few require regular skills upgrading to keep them as well.


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Originally Posted by Emmery
The retesting for members who let their membership lapse is simply a money grab. It is ludicrous to assume that failure to keep up with membership or dues is in any way tied in with a loss of competancy. If this were the case, every school in the world would be charging yearly fees for graduates to retain their diplomas or credentials.


It is my understanding that retesting is only required of lapsed members if the exams have changed since they were originally taken.

Your comparison with schools is specious as the PTG isn't a school. All professional organizations require their members to to pay yearly fees to retain their credentials and more than a few require regular skills upgrading to keep them as well.
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Its my understanding that retesting is required if payment of dues stops....therefore membership lapses, and a tech would like to be able to advertise and be recognized as an "RPT" again. Although what your saying about the exams changing or not, does make sense, I don't believe it has any bearing on the situation with the PTG unless this is a very recent change they made in this policy.

My comment was not specious about the comparison to schools. I was speaking of the end results... Accreditation, diplomas, professional status or simply letters beside ones name all come under the heading of "Credentials". They can come from schools that test, or they can come from organizations that test. Sometimes a membership in an organization may be mandated by regulations, but piano techs arn't one of them.

In a nutshell, as a graduate of a school program, the credential is recognized as an achievement, in and of itself and is retained by the graduate to be used as they wish. The PTG on the other hand has the RPT credential "rented" to a member for the sum of the yearly membersip due.

My comparison to schools is also tied to the role the PTG plays in providing educational resources, seminars and classes to its members. Schools do the same. Outside of private schools, college or university affiliated piano programs must additionally meet federal and provincial/state educational requirements which are mandated by a regulatory body. This is to assure to the public that a certain level of study (time), competancy and testing has taken place that is in their view, appropriate for the field of study.

Furthermore, graduate students from a recognized institution must meet attendance requirements usually measured in thousands of hours of classes and they must also complete all the required side related courses to their trade/profession...that is before they get to write their final tests. Organizations on the other hand may loosely present their education materials to a student as they wish and the entire process of learning could theoretically take place reading on a toilet with a manual on their lap.

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