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#1871790 - 04/01/12 04:09 AM Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music?
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I want to switch to some type of electronic sheet music display (pdf). The iPad screen seems too small, but I'm wondering if the brightness of the display might make up for the smaller-than-paper size?

Anyone happily using an iPad? Other recommendations? (I'd rather not use a standard computer monitor which has too much depth and weight I think.)
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#1871793 - 04/01/12 04:17 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I recently spoke to a friend that uses one. It's supposed to be great, some apps can even track your playing (through a special MIDI in link) and tell you where you go off from the sheet music.

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#1871804 - 04/01/12 05:41 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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If you're reading sheet music I think the glare of a glossy screen such as an iPad or most laptops would be a bit troublesome, at least it was when I tried to do that.

My current laptop has matte finish screen, so not much glare but the resolution isn't good enough.

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#1871808 - 04/01/12 05:55 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I just replaced my iPad1 with the new iPad3 -- I had worn the first one out from overuse and abuse. The screen on the new model has terrific resolution (not that it was bad on the original).

Anyway, I have the Steinway Etude sheet music app, and it works pretty well. I was using it last night for sight-reading practice. After a bit, I stopped thinking about the music being on a screen rather than on paper -- it became pretty natural.

There is a bluetooth footpedal available for turning pages, but I'm not committed enough yet to reading from the iPad to try it. I understand that Joshua Bell's accompanist uses the iPad (with the bluetooth foot pedal) exclusively.
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#1871816 - 04/01/12 06:47 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: ClsscLib]
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I played with a friend's iPad yesterday. I really WANTED to find reasons to need one, it's an appealing gadget. But I couldn't find any. It's too big for "always in my pocket" convenience. It's too small for reading music. It's too expensive for simple media storage and playback. It doesn't have the power of a real computer. The camera's good for well-lit snapshots, but can't take the trickier shots than my proper camera manages.

I guess I'm just not a believer :-(

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#1871820 - 04/01/12 07:04 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Reading from a small screen is quite different from reading on a real A4 score sheet. Readability, clarity, size of fonts, etc.

Unless there is a bigger screen available which looks like paper (like the Kindle), hardcopy sheets are still going to be used.

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#1871838 - 04/01/12 08:15 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I'm using ForScore (for regular sheet music) and also iReal Book (chord charts only). I admit the screen is a little small, but the display and brightness is fine for me. It especially works well in low-light situations. There are also wireless pedal accessories to make page turns, but I'm not currently using them. I quickly/easily turn a page by touching the right or left side of the screen. I can honestly recommend both of them for use on the iPad...

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#1871849 - 04/01/12 08:41 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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As long as you can use a bluetooth page turner, maybe you could use the iPad in landscape mode, and create separate scanned pages out of the top and bottom halves of a score. Twice as many page turns, but the image could be much bigger than if trying to fit an entire page of a score into the vertical orientation.

As for readability, the new iPad's higher resolution screen might better display higher resolution scans.

(For at-home use, I'm not sure what advantages this offers over paper, though... maybe just the hands-free page-turning?)

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#1871851 - 04/01/12 08:45 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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If you're already using a computer tied to the piano, you could just plug-in a 20" flat-panel display. They're only about $100.

If you don't already have a computer at the piano, you could buy a netbook. They're only $200. Then add the $100 flat-panel.

Either way, the big flat-panel gives you more viewing area, as big as two pages of sheet music.

Even if you have to buy BOTH the netbook and the display, it's as cheap or cheaper than an Ipad or other tablet.

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#1871862 - 04/01/12 09:13 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
If you're already using a computer tied to the piano, you could just plug-in a 20" flat-panel display. They're only about $100.

If you don't already have a computer at the piano, you could buy a netbook. They're only $200. Then add the $100 flat-panel.

Either way, the big flat-panel gives you more viewing area, as big as two pages of sheet music.

Even if you have to buy BOTH the netbook and the display, it's as cheap or cheaper than an Ipad or other tablet.

The issue there, according to the OP, is depth and weight.

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#1871867 - 04/01/12 09:18 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I'm waiting for the OLED slim monitors, a 20" should do the trick.. smile

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#1871918 - 04/01/12 11:47 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Ipads bah.

I use a 28-inch LCD monitor and it's amazing--two full sheets at a time are displayed and the music is nice and BIG. It is not very deep at all, and I don't see why weight would be an issue if you are not gigging with it. I think you would still be better off going that way than trying to put it on an ipad. Ipads are not even as big as a single sheet of paper.

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#1872015 - 04/01/12 03:24 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: motifmm6]
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Originally Posted By: motifmm6
Unless there is a bigger screen available which looks like paper (like the Kindle), hardcopy sheets are still going to be used.

Wouldn't that be awesome! Let's lobby Amazon to make one of those!
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#1872058 - 04/01/12 04:43 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Thanks for the very good responses. It seems like the opinions are mixed on the iPad. I'm worried it would be too small. Some of my thoughts based on the various responses ...

1) I too was looking for good reasons to buy an iPad since it is a cool gadget, but I haven't found any other good applications for it (I have various Macs all over the house, including an iMac next to my piano, and I don't want an iPad for mobile use). But if it solved the sheet music problem I would buy one instantly.

2) I was aware of the bluetooth foot-switch to turn pages and I would definitely get one.

3) The idea of flipping an iPad on its side in landscape mode would solve the "print" size problem, but I don't think I would like seeing just a half page at a time. However, that may be the best idea to try. It means tapping the foot switch more often but I suppose that would be ok, although turning "pages" back would be more cumbersome.

I had expected to just scan my sheet music into pdfs, and then page forward and reverse through the pages. I didn't know if I would need any special iPad "Sheet Music" program or not. Landscape mode would mean scanning the pdfs into half-pages which would be more work. Or do any of the existing iPad "Sheet Music" programs just work in landscape mode to solve this problem without scanning into half-pages. Seems like they would.

4) Yes, I would prefer to just use a 20" or so computer monitor. But my mini-grand style keyboard (CVP-409GP) isn't well suited for a computer monitor.

If I tried to set a monitor on the piano using the monitor's normal stand, I would have to remove the existing music stand from the piano (unscrew it because it doesn't lay down flat when not in use) and even then the 6" wide piano surface isn't flat where the bottom of the sheet music normally rests. That area is elevated a little. i.e. the monitor stand wouldn't sit flat so I would worry about it getting bumped and the monitor tipping and falling on the keyboard. Disaster!

I thought about removing the monitor's normal stand and simply setting the monitor panel on the existing piano music stand. However, when a 20" monitor rests against the existing music stand (which is at an angle) I don't think the back of the monitor will clear the front edge of piano's elevated top board, and I don't want to close the piano top board because that seriously affects the piano sound (enclosing its speakers that face upward on the "soundboard"). The monitor would also have to be chosen to not have any air vents or connections on the bottom or on the back that rests against the piano's music stand. Then there is the weight of the monitor panel on the music rest, the possible topple factor, and unsightly video and power cables to the monitor to consider.

So I don't think a conventional computer monitor would work for me although I would love to have the larger screen.

Yep, a Thunderbolt powered OLED flexible 30" computer monitor weighing less than a pound that rolls up into a tube for storage when not in use is a perfect solution. I will certainly get one in about 5-10 years when they are available. But for now ...


Edited by Macy (04/01/12 04:49 PM)
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#1872076 - 04/01/12 05:09 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
As long as you can use a bluetooth page turner, maybe you could use the iPad in landscape mode, and create separate scanned pages out of the top and bottom halves of a score. Twice as many page turns, but the image could be much bigger than if trying to fit an entire page of a score into the vertical orientation.

...

(For at-home use, I'm not sure what advantages this offers over paper, though... maybe just the hands-free page-turning?)


As I mentioned above in my long-ish reply, this might be the best idea for my situation. I just wanted to add that one of the advantages of electronic display over paper that I'm trying to achieve is the elimination of clutter. I currently copy my most frequently used sheet music onto 8.5x11" pages that are mounted in mylar sheet protectors in loose-leaf binders. That reduces the sheet music clutter around the piano, and makes it much easier to quickly flick at pages to turn them in the notebooks. But even so, I still seem to end up with sheet music, sheet music books, and the loose-leaf binders all around my piano every few days. If I implement electronic storage and display I think I have better chance of eliminating the clutter.
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#1872124 - 04/01/12 06:32 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Have you considered wall mounting a computer monitor or small flat screen TV. If your piano isn't by a window, it is very easy to mount a screen on the wall. You could get one of the swivel mounts that can move away from the wall and sit over your piano.

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#1872148 - 04/01/12 07:00 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: galaxy4t]
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Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Have you considered wall mounting a computer monitor or small flat screen TV. If your piano isn't by a window, it is very easy to mount a screen on the wall. You could get one of the swivel mounts that can move away from the wall and sit over your piano.

I appreciate that suggestion (and everyone else's - please keep them coming) but my piano sits out in the middle of a living room. I'd need about a 100" front projection screen on the wall, which in reality is actually all windows in front of the piano.
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#1872245 - 04/01/12 10:37 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I use a 22" monitor. I cut down the depth of the plastic monitor base to fit. I also cut down the music stand so it rose just to the bottom of the monitor screen. Thus the monitor screen functions as the back of the music stand when paper scores are used. You might do something similar by removing your music stand (it looks too pretty to just cut it up) and placing something in front of the monitor to hold scores. It would only have to be a 1" high ridge to keep the scores from slipping backward while they lean against the monitor.
It may all seem like a hassle, but it's worth it. You are right about eliminating clutter. Not only that, you can keep multiple scores open and ready to view at a mouse click, so the time lost rooting around in the clutter is also eliminated. Then there's the pedal-operated page turning.

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#1872283 - 04/02/12 12:00 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I have a 22" 1080p monitor that's quite light, but I would be scared to set something unstable and bulky like this on a piano stand. With a true piano, the sound is quite overwhelming indoors and closing the lid and setting stuff on top of it would work fine, but I imagine part of the reason you bought that grand piano cabinetry was to have it open.

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#1872322 - 04/02/12 02:40 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I think a media box in slideshow mode could be connected to a panel display. That's quite a neat solution. I'm not sure if any of the media boxes support PDFs.

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#1872349 - 04/02/12 05:14 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: trigalg693]
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Originally Posted By: trigalg693
I have a 22" 1080p monitor that's quite light, but I would be scared to set something unstable and bulky like this on a piano stand. With a true piano, the sound is quite overwhelming indoors and closing the lid and setting stuff on top of it would work fine, but I imagine part of the reason you bought that grand piano cabinetry was to have it open.


Yes, you'll have to put a bit of effort into this! No way is an unmodified screen going to just neatly fit on an unmodified piano in a stable and convenient manner. But it will be possible.

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#1872509 - 04/02/12 12:00 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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It could be done with a swing-arm mount. I installed one of those for my wife (for general computer use, not with a piano).

Her 20" monitor is on a swing-arm mounted to a table beside her chair. The arm is adjustable up/down/left/right.

The arm's base can be mounted to any horizontal surface (a table) or to a vertical one (a wall).

This would be viable for a digital piano ... if the physical arrangement allows. And it's not expensive. The arm was $190 way back then, but there are $100-$130 ones available now. And the monitor was only $100.

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#1872664 - 04/02/12 04:11 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Im thinking of getting an Ipad 1 for sheet music. My main reason being the gigs i play at weddings are often outside, and the wind is a killer for sheet music. So hoping the iPad 1 could resolve this problem, but seems like most here dont think its a good idea. sigh, guess its pegs for now. crazy
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#1872685 - 04/02/12 04:51 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Given your (outdoor) circumstances, I think you very well COULD use the Ipad.

Granted that it's a bit small, and so, indoors, you could do better. But if you MUST operate outdoors, you just sacrifice size to gain wind-proofing.

If it were me, I'd need to use more powerful eyeglass lenses to read from an Ipad. But you might not have that problem.

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#1872689 - 04/02/12 04:59 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Since starting this thread I've done a few simple simulations of using an iPad on my computer monitor. I've taken pdf's of sheet music and displayed it the same physical size as the iPad screen on the computer monitor, and looked at it from the same distance I would have at the piano.

The portrait mode, a full page of sheet music displayed at one time, looks just too small to me. It might be all right once I had played a piece enough times and I just needed the sheet music to prompt me along. But I think it would cause eye strain and probably detract from my playing enjoyment.

Turning the iPad into landscape mode, where about a half page is displayed, looks pretty good. I'm not crazy about having twice as many page turns but I think I could get use to that (using bluetooth pedals to change the pages). The problem I see in my simulation is that the music is not always evenly divided into the top half and bottom half of the page, and the iPad display form factor (4:3) isn't exactly a half page. So when you take simple scans of the sheet music and then do a page forward or reverse on the iPad, it wouldn't move exactly by half pages of the sheet music and even if it did, it wouldn't always line up correctly with the position of staves and some notes wouldn't be visible. i.e. after each half page flip, you would need to move the display of the music a few "lines" up or down, which isn't practical.

The only way I see to fix that problem would be to "prepare the pdf's" in advance by splitting them into new pages that each contain exactly what you want to see on the iPad each time you flip its page. i.e. you pre-edit the pdf's on a computer by splitting and positioning the content of the original pages. I haven't tried doing that yet, but it seems like it might be quite a bit of not-fun work. But I'm going to try and see if I can come up with a simple process to make that painless. I think that is my next step.

I appreciate all of the comments about using a regular computer monitor. I really wish that were practical in my case because I would love to have a large display. But I can't see anyway to place a monitor on my particular piano, and somehow suspending a large monitor over the piano using "arms" etc. is simply not going to look good in my living room (imagine a small baby grand sitting in the middle of a rather formal living room).
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#1872717 - 04/02/12 05:40 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Roland_Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Roland_Guy
Im thinking of getting an Ipad 1 for sheet music. My main reason being the gigs i play at weddings are often outside, and the wind is a killer for sheet music. So hoping the iPad 1 could resolve this problem, but seems like most here dont think its a good idea. sigh, guess its pegs for now. crazy

I think gigging is a place where an iPad can really make sense. As Macy alluded to, it will work best if you "pretty much" know the pieces and just need occasional reference, or else, yeah, you'd probably have to create custom PDFs as he talked about, if you want everything large enough to be easily readable. But compared to sheet music, it's a cleaner look live, and you can have every piece in your repertoire available at a moment's notice instead of having to keep sheet music available and organized.

However, I would worry about the screen readability outdoors... you'd have to take sunlight into account when you set your stuff up to be sure you could find a way to keep it readable. That's an issue you don't have indoors.

There are some really nice iPad apps for this sort of thing. Check out DeepDish GigBook.

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#1873172 - 04/03/12 03:57 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I've been experimenting with using pdf's as sheet music on the ipad 3, wich only seems to work out fine with certain files. With some it works perfectly and you can swipe throught the pages very nicely, with other files it takes minutes to load a page, and going to the next page takes ages as well.
It probably has to do with the resolution of the scans?
If anyone knows of a program that can 'vectorise' huge scanned pdf's into something that is useable on the ipad, please let me know!
I was quite dissappointed actually as I had high hopes for using the ipad as a replacement for the tons of scores I print.

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#1873397 - 04/03/12 11:21 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I use MusicReader, which came with AirTurn, the wireless footswitch page turning system.
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#1873405 - 04/03/12 11:42 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
I use MusicReader, which came with AirTurn, the wireless footswitch page turning system.
How does it work in iPad landscape mode with "half pages"?
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#1873412 - 04/04/12 12:02 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Pol]
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Pol: There are programs for that ... but they're expensive, several hundred dollars or more.

There's also VectorMagic.com
I can't tell you how well that will work, but it's free.

It accepts image files and converts them. You'd have to first capture your PDF scores as image files ... not difficult with any screen capture utility. But it would be tedious if you have many of them.
Originally Posted By: Pol
If anyone knows of a program that can 'vectorise' huge scanned pdf's into something that is useable on the ipad, please let me know!

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#1874167 - 04/05/12 12:28 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: MacMacMac]
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I wouldn't use it for music that I am actually learning (only one page displayed at a time, lack of ability to write on the page), but an iPad + IMSLP = an infinite supply of music for sight-reading. It's an amazing resource.

I have the new high-resolution iPad; I don't know if the music would be noticeably harder to read on the earlier ones or not.

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#1874187 - 04/05/12 01:03 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: dfan]
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Quote:

I have the new high-resolution iPad


The one where the display over-heats and dies?

Sorry. But it is so :-(

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#1874192 - 04/05/12 01:20 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Quote:

I have the new high-resolution iPad


The one where the display over-heats and dies?

Sorry. But it is so :-(


Ha! What alarmist blogs have you been reading?

I have a new iPad - I use it for websurfing, reading (Kindle, iBooks) movies and other information apps and it hasn't heated up noticeably. Maybe if you play 3D first person shooter games it could be a problem, but sheet music?

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#1874208 - 04/05/12 01:49 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: whitfit]
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Originally Posted By: whitfit
Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Quote:

I have the new high-resolution iPad


The one where the display over-heats and dies?

Sorry. But it is so :-(


Ha! What alarmist blogs have you been reading?

I have a new iPad - I use it for websurfing, reading (Kindle, iBooks) movies and other information apps and it hasn't heated up noticeably. Maybe if you play 3D first person shooter games it could be a problem, but sheet music?


Apple are claiming it's a manufacturing fault affecting only a very few units. iPod 3 owners, of course, are firmly in denial :-) Let's see if there's a recall.

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#1874331 - 04/05/12 07:00 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I'm using the Steinway √Čtude app as well as the Yamaha app called NoteStar on my iPad 2. NoteStar is terrific. You can listen to the music played to the shertmusic.
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#1874348 - 04/05/12 07:25 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: PianoZac]
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After figuring out a relatively easy way to convert sheet music to 1/2 page pdf's to use the iPad in the landscape mode for bigger scores, I went to buy a 32 GB iPad today and found out the Apple Store and Best Buy are sold out. Looks like l will have to wait a couple of weeks to try it.
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#1874361 - 04/05/12 08:21 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Congrats Macy! Yes, when new version of iPads are released they tend to fly off the shelves... Enjoy your new toy when you get it! There are so much more to do with it than using it for sheet music. I enjoy using it for playing along YouTube videos. You can even use it for slowing down music in your music collection while keeping the pitch. That comes in handy sometimes too.
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#1874397 - 04/05/12 09:38 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Consider getting a 10 inch Android tablet. I like Apple products as much as the next person, but a larger tablet in landscape is slightly wider than typical sheet music. Much easier to read than an iPad. Plus you can carry your music around on microSD!

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#1874423 - 04/05/12 10:18 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: MetalMan]
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Originally Posted By: MetalMan
Consider getting a 10 inch Android tablet. I like Apple products as much as the next person, but a larger tablet in landscape is slightly wider than typical sheet music. Much easier to read than an iPad. Plus you can carry your music around on microSD!

You think a 10.1 inch screen with 1280x800 resolution is easier to read than a 9.7 inch screen with 2048-by-1536 resolution? I think I'll stick with Apple, their software, and their support.
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#1874424 - 04/05/12 10:24 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Hmm, a 10 inch tablet would be nice... not that i could justify the expense when I already have an iPad...

I use the forScore sheet music app on my iPad. I do not play new music or in-progress pieces from my iPad, only pieces I already "know" and just want the score there as a comfort thing. Also, I love using the iPad for reading a score on the bus or something.

I would imagine that for professional musicians, the iPad would be very useful. But! I don't know about outside, I haven't tried it myself, but if it's too bright, it might be harder to read the screen.

Still, in spite of using and enjoying the sheet music app on my iPad, include me in the group of people who ultimately prefer paper for musical scores.

Even a 10 inch or 20 inch screen probably wouldn't change my mind. I lkike to cpy sheet music onto A3 (or 11in by 17in) sheets (two pages to a sheet) and make an accordian style "booket" so that I have have 4 or 5 pages lined up at once, and then only "turn" a page once or twice per piece.
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#1874426 - 04/05/12 10:33 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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The Android is a widescreen, the ipad is not. The Android resolution is more than enough to read congested 2 piano scores, although I have no doubt the ipad will blow it away for image quality.

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#1874445 - 04/05/12 11:31 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: MetalMan]
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Originally Posted By: MetalMan
The Android is a widescreen, the ipad is not. The Android resolution is more than enough to read congested 2 piano scores, although I have no doubt the ipad will blow it away for image quality.
Do you mean 2 page scores? Not enough width for me for 2 pages. I don't even want 1 full page at a width of less than 6" on either device in Portrait mode.

The 1280x800 Android is 1.6:1, while the 2048-by-1536 iPad is 1.33:1

A half page on standard sheet music is about 9"x6", 1.5:1. So that doesn't actually fit on the Android 1.6:1 screen at full width. You have to shrink the page width to 8.0" on the Android to fit an entire half page on it. So the difference in width is only 0.25" wider on the Android. I don't think that would make up for the resolution difference.

9.7" iPad
Screen Width 7.76" Height 5.82" 2048x1536
1/2 Page Width 7.76" Height 5.17" 1.5:1 2048x1365

10.1" Android
Screen Width 8.56" Height 5.35" 1280 x 800
1/2 Page Width 8.02" Height 5.35" 1.5:1 1200x800

Am I missing something?
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#1874456 - 04/06/12 12:34 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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No, 2 piano scores. Music to be played by 2 pianos simultaneously, such as piano concerto reductions. Your measurements are spot on for my android device. IMSLP scores ( and everything else I have in my 5+ GB score collection) are usually quite legible at 8.5" wide. I get the full 8.5" width too. Typically, that extra inch of page length and half inch of page width are cropped from the standard 9 x 12 format so that scores can be reprinted with a normal printer.

Plus,the 5.35" height allows me to scroll once per page. I guess it is a preference thing. I wish the ipad was larger; it seems more solid, but I would definitely notice the 3/4 inch drop in width.

What are you playing off your Ipad?

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#1874498 - 04/06/12 04:12 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Macy,
Apple does use very impressive resolution screens, but screen size is very important when you're talking about screens this small imo. Maybe it's just me, but I get a headache trying to use the tiny screen on an iPhone while my larger 4.3" phone doesn't have that problem. I'm looking into 4.65" and beyond for my next phone smile Nevermind the lower resolution, I can barely tell the pixels are there.

For reading sheet music it's even more important since the screen is farther from your eyes. My laptop is a 12.5" 1366x768 (ew), and while I normally think it needs more resolution so it can fit more text, I would not think of trying to zoom out on sheet music pdfs, big fat notes are more comfortable to look at. Actually if I'll be completely honest, I haven't even bothered trying to read music off this, as trying to do that on a 13" Macbook was too hard already. I can't imagine the headache I'd get from reading off a tablet.


Edited by trigalg693 (04/06/12 04:18 AM)

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#1874506 - 04/06/12 04:58 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: trigalg693]
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Macy,
Apple does use very impressive resolution screens, but screen size is very important when you're talking about screens this small imo. ...

For reading sheet music it's even more important since the screen is farther from your eyes. ...

I can't imagine the headache I'd get from reading off a tablet.

As I reported, I've set up my Mac screen to show various pieces of sheet music at the exact same physical size (but less resolution) as the iPad and viewed from the same distance as I would have on my piano. As long as the iPad is positioned in landscape orientation (7.76 inches wide) the music should be large enough. I'm more concerned about only seeing half-pages and having to "turn the page" more often, than I am about size now. (I will use a Bluetooth foot pedal to change pages.)

What finally convinced me that the iPad size (width-wise) should be large enough, is that I currently copy a lot of my sheet music onto 8.5"x11" pages and mount those pages in mylar sheet-protectors for loose leaf notebooks. When I examined those pages, I found the actual width of the music is always greater than 7.5" and less than 7.75". In other words, with careful preparation of the pdfs (cropping and converting full pages to 1/2 pages) for the iPad. the music displayed on the 7.76" wide iPad should be virtually identical in size to what I'm looking at now. Plus it should be brighter than the sheet music, which will help even more in dim light.

I've also worked out a pretty straightforward process to create the 1/2 page pdfs, so while that is bit of a pain it will hopefully pay back in reduced sheet music clutter.

Hence my only real concern now is turning pages every half page. So I'm ready to buy an iPad as soon as they have them in stock again and try it out. Since I've been looking for an excuse to buy an iPad for long time, if it doesn't work, so be it. I'll probably find another use for the iPad after I have one.
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#1874524 - 04/06/12 06:59 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I've also worked out a pretty straightforward process to create the 1/2 page pdfs,

How so? An iPad app, or some way you're prepping the on the computer?

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#1874527 - 04/06/12 07:08 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I mean if it suits you sure, I personally do not want to be reading off anything smaller than 2 full sheets of paper at a time, and I refuse to go through pdfs and cut them up into half sheets, that's too much work. You do sound like you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPad :P


Edited by trigalg693 (04/06/12 07:09 AM)

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#1874539 - 04/06/12 07:38 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: trigalg693]
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Originally Posted By: trigalg693
[...]You do sound like you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPad :P


LOL. I want the new iPad too. I certainly need an excuse for my wife, to justify the expense . Reading sheet music off an iPad is a fantastic one.

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#1874578 - 04/06/12 09:28 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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The silent page turn feature is an excellent reason to buy an ipad too! grin

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#1874604 - 04/06/12 10:30 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
I use MusicReader, which came with AirTurn, the wireless footswitch page turning system.


Hideki, is this the version of AirTurn that you use?:

http://www.amazon.com/BT-105-Bluetooth-W...4406&sr=8-1

If not, could you reply with a link to the version your recommend?

And on MusicReader, do you annotate your scores? If so, what type of stylus or marker do you use?

Many thanks!


Edited by ClsscLib (04/06/12 07:21 PM)
Edit Reason: Sorry -- forgot to include link!
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#1874747 - 04/06/12 03:59 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: Macy
I've also worked out a pretty straightforward process to create the 1/2 page pdfs,

How so? An iPad app, or some way you're prepping the on the computer?

Prepping on a Mac first. I wouldn't want to attempt it on an iPad when it is so much easier to do it in my den on Mac with multiple large monitors, a mouse, etc.

I've found that I can create what are essentially 1/2 pages of sheet music pdf's from the full page scans or full page pdfs using the Mac program GraphicConverter to easily crop off the "white" space and then save them to pdf pages that exactly match the iPad display. GraphicConverter will also automatically break the pages in half, but that isn't always optimum for every page of the score (particularly 1st pages for instance). But using GraphicConverter it is also very easy to edit a page as necessary, cutting out guitar tabs, pushing staffs closer together, or moving titles and anything else around to fit the problem pages into half pages if they don't automatically break right.

Yep it's a bit of work, but so is preparing loose-leaf binders of music or sorting through stacks of cluttered music books to find a piece. smile



Edited by Macy (04/06/12 07:17 PM)
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#1874755 - 04/06/12 04:18 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: trigalg693]
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You do sound like you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPad :P

I admitted that early on. So yeah, if the results are disappointing nothing much lost, except that I really want to solve the sheet music display problem.

Not to get too far off topic, but I'm a hardware/software design engineer with computers all over the house and no desire to carry a iPad anywhere outside the house. So despite it seeming like a neat gadget, I haven't found any practical reason to get one until now.
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#1874827 - 04/06/12 06:40 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Haha, well if you do get it I hope it works out for you. This past semester I tried to cut down on the amount of paper books I have since it's so much easier to carry my 3lb laptop with ebooks stored on it (well organized too!), but I found that physical paper books have quite a few merits...reading off a screen just feels really weird, maybe it's the cream color some paper has, the way it reflects light, the way you can flip between pages much more easily (probably this mostly), whatever it is I have much less motivation to study when I have to read off a screen.

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#1878233 - 04/12/12 01:36 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Prepping on a Mac first. I wouldn't want to attempt it on an iPad when it is so much easier to do it in my den on Mac with multiple large monitors, a mouse, etc.

I just came across an iPad app called Scanner Pro (and there are probably others), I wonder if that might be the easiest way to do it. It looks like you just shoot the image with the iPad's camera, and it will let you optimize the size, contrast, etc., to get the piece you want looking as good as possible on the iPad. I might try this...

http://www.imore.com/2012/04/12/scan-documents-ipad-scanner-pro/

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#1878242 - 04/12/12 02:07 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Macy
Prepping on a Mac first. I wouldn't want to attempt it on an iPad when it is so much easier to do it in my den on Mac with multiple large monitors, a mouse, etc.

I just came across an iPad app called Scanner Pro (and there are probably others), I wonder if that might be the easiest way to do it. It looks like you just shoot the image with the iPad's camera, and it will let you optimize the size, contrast, etc., to get the piece you want looking as good as possible on the iPad. I might try this...

http://www.imore.com/2012/04/12/scan-documents-ipad-scanner-pro/


I'm put off it immediately by both halves of the name :-) It isn't a scanner. And it's a truism that anything called "pro", isn't.

But give it a try and let us know. Photographing rather than scanning may be a useful method, particularly for bound books that don't easily lie flat on a scanner.

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#1976096 - 10/20/12 05:51 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Any professional accompanists other than myself using iPads (and BT-105 with ATFS-2) full-time? :-)

Been shuffling one page at a time, footwise, for over a year now.

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#1976329 - 10/20/12 03:32 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Anybody has experience with Android-based Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 for sheet music?


Edited by verbo (10/20/12 03:32 PM)
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#1979481 - 10/27/12 10:10 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Here is my method of getting sheet music in forescore in perfect format in landscape mode....
1) Take a screenshot of the sheet music in landscape mode exactly how you want to see it in forescore
2) use the "photo to pdf" app to generate a "landscape pdf document" of the screenshot. You can create multiple page pdf's this way
3) I also use the white marker in forescore to edit out any unwanted areas in a screenshot

Works for me

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#1979828 - 10/28/12 08:15 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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A couple of the guys I gig with use iPads. It seems to work ok, better than all the sheets they were carrying. But, they're only reading lead sheets or chord charts, not full scores.
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#1979850 - 10/28/12 09:42 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: jazzonebyone]
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Originally Posted By: jazzonebyone
A couple of the guys I gig with use iPads. It seems to work ok, better than all the sheets they were carrying. But, they're only reading lead sheets or chord charts, not full scores.


I started this particular thread back in April when I was thinking about using an iPad for piano sheet music. Now I use it almost exclusively and I would never go back to paper again. Everything I play gets transferred to my iPad. Full scores, not lead sheets or chords only.
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#1980422 - 10/30/12 06:46 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I installed Yamaha NoteStar on my iPad (just downloaded one song so far - the free one). Quite nicely designed. I can see myself using it more as I progress and pay for a few more songs. They have a nice selection of recent pop songs (Muse, Coldplay...) and this sparked some interest in my son (who sings and plays electric guitar). We might even play something together.

I also got iClassicalScores to browse and download music scores from islmp.org. However, this is not really an app to display sheet music when playing. I print them on paper before practicing.

Finally, I've played with the SampleTank and iGrand Piano demo apps which are not that bad. Nothing to do with sheet music but I could see myself bringing my small m-audio keyrig and my iPad when traveling to train a bit.
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#1988811 - 11/20/12 04:11 AM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I see that Toshibe have brought out a 13 Inch tablet. Do you think this may be a better solution for displaying sheet music?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/25/toshiba-excite-13-review/

I read that the Musicpad Pro had a 12.1" backlit display. So I guess the 13" Toshiba display should display scores large enough in Portrait mode.


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#2106872 - 06/23/13 05:34 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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Small update on this, I am using my ipad a lot lately for scores and the free ibooks app seems to handle most scores quite well and quite fast.

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#2106877 - 06/23/13 05:48 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Macy]
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I use my iPad for sheet music on occasion but I have a harder time reading the notes compared to actual sheet music. However it is handy for teaching, I have an app called flash note derby which I get the kids to play when learning how to read notes.
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#2106894 - 06/23/13 06:53 PM Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music? [Re: Elysia]
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Originally Posted By: Elysia
I use my iPad for sheet music on occasion but I have a harder time reading the notes compared to actual sheet music. However it is handy for teaching, I have an app called flash note derby which I get the kids to play when learning how to read notes.


Do you use it in landscape mode? I have no trouble using it in landscape mode and would never go back to paper.

I occasionally use it in portrait mode (if I take it somewhere and don't bring along my bluetooth foot switch) and then I wouldn't want to use it for long periods of time because of the score size in that orientation.


Edited by Macy (06/23/13 06:54 PM)
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