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#1878866 - 04/13/12 11:34 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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I also discovered I studied another Mazurka... Op 68 #2. It was really fun to play. It makes me really ashamed now. My gosh, what have i been doing for all these years. I could have kept all those pieces alive.. And I should be much better than I am now. I guess this is what happens if you don't continue. ...Anyway, I work on building it up now from the c# minor waltz...
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#1879074 - 04/13/12 05:21 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: casinitaly]
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Bad thread! Bad thread!

I don't need more stuff to learn! ha

Okay, so I just listened to the A Minor (Posthumous) link posted by CAS--that recording is drop-dead gorgeous--and downloaded the sheet music. Off now to give it a test drive.
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#1879077 - 04/13/12 05:29 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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FarmGirl, I agree with you ...that is to say, as soon as I have any sort of Chopin repertoire, I will work hard to keep it fresh and pretty so that I can always have it at my fingertips!

I think it is wonderful that this thread has stimulated so much enthusiasm among us.

The only "problem" is that I foresee a life-long addiction in the making here. Nah, that's not a problem - at least not one I'm planning to worry about!
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#1879121 - 04/13/12 06:20 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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I can envision someone starts Chopin 12 step program thread. Not kidding you. My teacher told me a couple of adults (old adults like me) refuses to learn anything else.
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#1879326 - 04/14/12 01:36 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: FarmGirl]
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As my screen name might suggest I absolutely love Chopin and especially his waltzes. I was happy I saw this thread because it seems to be a good place to ask this question rather than starting a new thread about it. I really, really want to learn Chopin's Waltz No. 14 in E minor. However, on the difficulty rating list it is graded as a 8 and I have only done level 7 pieces up to this point. Also graded at level 8 are his etudes and many other pieces I would be terrified to learn at the moment so I guess my question is just how accessible is this waltz? Reading through the music it seems doable, and seems to play to some of my strengths but with Chopin you really never seem to know until you start playing (at least for me). Just as a frame of reference some of the level 7 pieces I have played include Chopin's Minute Waltz, Nocturne in C# minor (post op), Claire de Lune and several Bach preludes. I'm currently a college student so I have no teacher to ask so hopefully some of you more familiar with the piece may be able to offer some advice! Thanks in advance for any help.

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#1879439 - 04/14/12 09:02 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
My favourite Chopin Waltz for the moment is the A minor posthumous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smqj_z04i4A


It is really not easy for me - and I expect it will take a while before I have it presentable for performance, but I just love it (and it sounds lovely whether you play it quickly or slowly!)


Thanks.
I've never heard this piece before, it is really nice.

I wanted to be able to play it so I just downloaded the sheet music.
I found it pretty simple to play right through the first time.
(Although it will take me a little bit to polish it so that I can play it as smoothly as in the link).

Maybe I am better at sight reading than I thought since I don't really know where I stand in comparison to others since I don't take lessons and almost always just play for myself.

But thanks for introducing me to this nice piece.
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#1879558 - 04/14/12 01:38 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: chopinfan22]
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Originally Posted By: chopinfan22
As my screen name might suggest I absolutely love Chopin and especially his waltzes. I was happy I saw this thread because it seems to be a good place to ask this question rather than starting a new thread about it. I really, really want to learn Chopin's Waltz No. 14 in E minor. However, on the difficulty rating list it is graded as a 8 and I have only done level 7 pieces up to this point. Also graded at level 8 are his etudes and many other pieces I would be terrified to learn at the moment so I guess my question is just how accessible is this waltz? Reading through the music it seems doable, and seems to play to some of my strengths but with Chopin you really never seem to know until you start playing (at least for me). Just as a frame of reference some of the level 7 pieces I have played include Chopin's Minute Waltz, Nocturne in C# minor (post op), Claire de Lune and several Bach preludes. I'm currently a college student so I have no teacher to ask so hopefully some of you more familiar with the piece may be able to offer some advice! Thanks in advance for any help.


Yeah, e-minor waltz is beautiful. If you have done minute waltz and c# minor, it's within your easy reach. I don't think you need my advice. Just approach this as you approach other pieces. I usually 1) study the score first, 2)Play through slowly the piece without ornaments etc to find out tough spots, 3) make lesson plans (assign warm up exercises to those tricky spots that will derail you later, group up similar sections etc..) i do hand separately whenever i find tough spots and when I am memorizing long phrases (i memorize base first - because I am a memory retard). If i cannot even play a few bars without holding my head, that's usually a sign that the piece is beyond my ability and consult my teacher since I have one now. Hope it helps you... BTW the nocturne is super beautiful. I don't have it in my book - it ends at nocturne number 19. I just downloaded it from sheet music plus. Thank you for this.
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#1880113 - 04/15/12 05:48 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: FarmGirl]
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Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Originally Posted By: chopinfan22
As my screen name might suggest I absolutely love Chopin and especially his waltzes. I was happy I saw this thread because it seems to be a good place to ask this question rather than starting a new thread about it. I really, really want to learn Chopin's Waltz No. 14 in E minor. However, on the difficulty rating list it is graded as a 8 and I have only done level 7 pieces up to this point. Also graded at level 8 are his etudes and many other pieces I would be terrified to learn at the moment so I guess my question is just how accessible is this waltz? Reading through the music it seems doable, and seems to play to some of my strengths but with Chopin you really never seem to know until you start playing (at least for me). Just as a frame of reference some of the level 7 pieces I have played include Chopin's Minute Waltz, Nocturne in C# minor (post op), Claire de Lune and several Bach preludes. I'm currently a college student so I have no teacher to ask so hopefully some of you more familiar with the piece may be able to offer some advice! Thanks in advance for any help.


Yeah, e-minor waltz is beautiful. If you have done minute waltz and c# minor, it's within your easy reach. I don't think you need my advice. Just approach this as you approach other pieces. I usually 1) study the score first, 2)Play through slowly the piece without ornaments etc to find out tough spots, 3) make lesson plans (assign warm up exercises to those tricky spots that will derail you later, group up similar sections etc..) i do hand separately whenever i find tough spots and when I am memorizing long phrases (i memorize base first - because I am a memory retard). If i cannot even play a few bars without holding my head, that's usually a sign that the piece is beyond my ability and consult my teacher since I have one now. Hope it helps you... BTW the nocturne is super beautiful. I don't have it in my book - it ends at nocturne number 19. I just downloaded it from sheet music plus. Thank you for this.

Thanks for the response! I am really excited to start learning it because it seems like a lot of fun to play. I'm glad to hear that it should be in my reach. Also you're welcome for the Nocturne, it is really wonderful and one of my favorite Chopin pieces. It is actually used in the beginning of the movie the Pianist and after I heard that(and several other Chopin pieces in the movie) a few years ago, I really started to become obsessed with his music haha.

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#1880190 - 04/15/12 08:30 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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That movie seems to deserve a lot of credit for turning people here on to piano playing and Chopin! I was already a Chopin addict when the movie came out, after hearing a work colleague sight read a waltz on our boss's baby grand. First, I loved the music. Second I was insanely jealous that she could sight read such a difficult piece when piano wasn't even her primary instrument (she played violin) and in any case hadn't played in a long time. That was probably the peak of my anger/annoyance at my parents for not getting me lessons as a kid. I can credit a movie with turning me on to the Goldberg Variations, though (32 short films about Glen Gould). I only have myself to blame for not starting lessons then!

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#1880288 - 04/15/12 11:10 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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Theres no doubt Chopin Waltzes are special...

My daughter is having a reasonable stab at the Amin at the moment - but although she has all the notes, dynamics, structure etc well down pat, she really struggles to get the feeling of her phrases sounding clean... Perhaps its a maturity thing that is beyond her years? (Its only her 8th birthday today).

I love playing the C#min (64 #2). It spretty straight forward to play once you've got your right hand around the rapid ascending flourish and the whole thing can be beautifully mournful if played slowly or sparkling and robust if played a little faster.

For my mind however, the heart wrenching beauty of Chopin comes from his Nocturnes - I've been addicted to them for decades and really look forward to sitting in on daughters lessons when the time comes to hear what her teacher has to say on how to improve them (I learn SOO much from sitting in on her lessons!)
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#1880343 - 04/16/12 02:14 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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DadAgain - Your daughter is amazing. Playing Chopin a minor waltz at age 8. I was barely playing Burgmuller arabesque then. Interesting to hear that she struggles to get the feelings.. it's usually the opposite for us adults beginners and returners. Many of us get feeling / emotion contained in the piece but have to develop the skills to express them.

I love Nocturnes too but they are not easy to sight read. I have to actually practice them (LOL) while many waltz / mazurka are relatively easier to read due to the steady rhythm and lots of patterns. If I have time, I love nothing better than noodling around my Chopin books. Which nocturne do you like? Do you have life time favorite?
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#1882342 - 04/19/12 12:33 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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I've decided to work on the A minor waltz for the recital, but at the moment I am not sure I'll be able to make it in time. I am approaching learning the piece by analyzing it for patterns and memorizing it using them instead of trying to read from the sheet and play at the same time although I can sort of do that slowly.

So far I can play the first half of the first page hands together with a few mistakes. Following that there is the first fast section that I've finished figuring out the notes are and am working on memorizing and playing slowly. So I've worked up to about the end of the first page so far.

There seems to be a lot of repetition with slight differences in the song, so some parts in the 2nd page don't look too challenging, but there is another fast section that I'm sure i'll struggle with and will need to decipher as well. The notes in the fast section has a lot of ledger lines, trills and leading notes which are all intimidating to me.

Does anyone have any tips on learning these fast tricky sections? What do you suggest to do to speed up these sections once you've figured out what notes to play?

casinitaly, how are you tackling those fast tricky parts?

DadAgain, you have a very talented daughter! I hope she had a nice birthday. smile

Is anyone else thinking of doing the A minor waltz for the recital too?

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#1882737 - 04/19/12 11:53 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Hi all, somewhere in this thread I mentioned about an adult student of my teacher who had been studying a chopin piece which happened to be her first piano study. I have another person like this woman (sigh) - she is my friend and not a student of my teacher. She loves Chopin and wants nothing but Chopin. She is so enthusiastic that she even listened to International Chopin competition every day. She never missed day. She is probably level 1. She took a lesson from her other friend for a year three years ago. She wanted to know easist Chopin pieces. So I told her either Prelude in E minor, op 28 no.4 or A minor Waltz (number 17). She picked the waltz and asked me for some instructions. She cannot afford a teacher but has a piano her daugher used to use. I am not a teacher but I gave her the following instructions (see further below). Now I deeply regret it. She is having a hard time. I believe any adult learner will reach the level to play this piece. But I guess it was not a good idea to try this after 1 year of lessons. After her reaction, I realized how crazy it was to let her try a piece which is far above one's level. Most of you in the thread was opposed to the idea and I now think you guys are right. I had no idea how difficult it could be to learn this piece first for someone who did not have enough experience. I thought she could learn it since she has more time to practice than most of people. I think I should tell her to stop doing this. Does anyone know a nice beginner's piece that sounds as beautiful as Chopin's?

My instruction to her:

Recommend playing from measures 1 to 5 first hands separately (HS) without pedal or grace notes until you can play the 5 measures smoothly. Count like “One and Two and Three and” for each quarter note. Take time. It’s better to play slow & expressively than fast & messy. After a couple of days, put the hands together. If you can play these 5 measures, you can play the measures 1 to 16, 25 to 30 and 41 to 50. That’s 32 measures out of 56 measures (more than the half of the piece). Add pedal and grace notes after you can play these measures. Each group of measures 17 to 24, 31 to 40 and 51 to 56 presents different musical ideas. So practice each group separately again HS without pedal and grace notes first. Don’t spend too much time until you get sick of it. 30 min. should be the max. in the beginning. In this way, you will get this piece actually much quicker.


This is from my old post. Please ignore the first part of the post. Second half may be useful. I suggest lots of hand separate, especially for the left hand. The chord must be together (should not dribble) and soft as accompaniment. Then work on the melody. For this piece, melody is on the top note of the right hand. So lean on it if you need, so that your right hand can sing the melody. When you start, go through the most difficult part for you in your head - that's the tempo you want to play this piece. If you start too fast, you will be mushy in the middle. Good luck.
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#1882832 - 04/20/12 06:40 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: raptor]
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Originally Posted By: raptor


casinitaly, how are you tackling those fast tricky parts?



Is anyone else thinking of doing the A minor waltz for the recital too?


I have been working out the right hand by heart first of all (actually in effect, I'm memorizing the whole thing, I won't be reading the music).
I have played the right hand til I know it and can pretty much "forget about it" and focus on the left. I have a bit of trouble with the leaps, but it is coming along.

I have practiced the right hand slowly and slowly and then a bit faster - however as I can't play the left hand quickly, when I put them together it is pretty slow.

I am thinking of doing it for the recital but not sure if I will feel ready - and that means emotionally as well as pianistically! (is that a word? lol)..... There's been so much talk about this piece and so much listening to it I feel nervous about putting myself "out there" with it.
....and at the same time I'd like to do it as a sort of "benchmark" of where I am at 28 months of playing.
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#1882877 - 04/20/12 08:40 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: casinitaly]
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Speaking of A minor Waltz. Very beautiful waltz, if played well; and looks very easy. But it is actually not. The most challenging is the LH: big leaps, chords should sound all-notes-together and very soft (very challenging!) otherwise they will easily overpower the delicate melody in the right hand. The key, A minor, makes it worse - without black keys it is very difficult to land the chords at the right place. The only problem with the RH is that very fast ascending dominant arpeggio but doable with a lot of practice.
Currently, I am working on OP.69 n.2, one of my favorite Chopin's waltzes. It is going OK and I am planning to submit it for the coming ABF recital, if I will have enough time to polish it a little bit
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#1883228 - 04/20/12 07:23 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: FarmGirl]
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Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
......snip.................
This is from my old post. Please ignore the first part of the post. Second half may be useful. I suggest lots of hand separate, especially for the left hand. The chord must be together (should not dribble) and soft as accompaniment. Then work on the melody. For this piece, melody is on the top note of the right hand. So lean on it if you need, so that your right hand can sing the melody. When you start, go through the most difficult part for you in your head - that's the tempo you want to play this piece. If you start too fast, you will be mushy in the middle. Good luck.


FarmGirl, a quick question if I might: what do you mean by "The chord must be together (should not dribble)...

Specifically, what is meant by "should not dribble?" Is the meaning of this phrase that all the notes in the chord should be sounded simultaneously?

Just curious. Thanks.
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#1883373 - 04/21/12 01:09 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: OG Ryder]
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Thanks everyone for all the replies about how to practice the piece. It's very helpful.

I think i'll try to learn all of the right hand first too. Strangely thats what i'm struggling more on instead of the left hand so it makes sense. The jumping from bass note to chords pattern on the left hand reminds me of Gymnopdie 1 that I played in the last recital, so i think i won't have too much trouble with that.

The descriptions of the dynamics and how to learn the different parts is really helpful too. I'll keep referring to it and see how I go. I'll try skipping the pedal and grace notes for now until i can play it without struggling too much.

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#1883424 - 04/21/12 03:56 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: Stubbie]
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Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
......snip.................
This is from my old post. Please ignore the first part of the post. Second half may be useful. I suggest lots of hand separate, especially for the left hand. The chord must be together (should not dribble) and soft as accompaniment. Then work on the melody. For this piece, melody is on the top note of the right hand. So lean on it if you need, so that your right hand can sing the melody. When you start, go through the most difficult part for you in your head - that's the tempo you want to play this piece. If you start too fast, you will be mushy in the middle. Good luck.


FarmGirl, a quick question if I might: what do you mean by "The chord must be together (should not dribble)...

Specifically, what is meant by "should not dribble?" Is the meaning of this phrase that all the notes in the chord should be sounded simultaneously?

Just curious. Thanks.


Ok, Let me try to explain.
"together" - means you should hit all the notes of the chord at the same time, so it would almost sound like one sound. Let's imagine a four note chord "CEAC" in your right hand. These note should be played together. It should not sound like "CEA" chord and followed by "C" on the top. If you don't need to emphasize any note, it's usually not too much a problem. But if the melody is in the top note, you have to emphasize the top note (meaning that the top note played a bit stronger), then, it becomes more difficult to play together. The chord may sound broken, some notes may be played tougher but the other notes may not. In addition, it is very common when people strive to project the top note with the 5th finger, the weak 4th finger on "A" may bounce on the key or dribble on the key.. hence, I called it "dribble" - not a musical term. It occurs in both left and right hands. You may get away with a few non-togetherness in a waltz like this but too much of the chords not played together will take the clarity of the piece away. Also watch out your 2nd finger which is very strong and often wind up hitting a "non-melody" note of a chord too strong, which will also take away the clarify and direction of the music away. I hope my English makes sense...
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#1883943 - 04/21/12 08:48 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: FarmGirl]
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Thanks, FarmGirl.

Yes, the basketball "dribble" makes sense for a bouncing 4th finger!

The other meaning for dribble came first to my mind, and I was trying to figure out how something in the chord would trickle, or fall in slow drops! grin
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#1896536 - 05/14/12 04:17 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: raptor]
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...DadAgain, you have a very talented daughter! I hope she had a nice birthday. smile...


FYI: http://youtu.be/2HT1MOykJCg
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#1896544 - 05/14/12 04:52 AM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: DadAgain]
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Originally Posted By: DadAgain
Originally Posted By: raptor
...DadAgain, you have a very talented daughter! I hope she had a nice birthday. smile...


FYI: http://youtu.be/2HT1MOykJCg


Oh my! She's a lovely girl and that was a lovely performance.
She's just 8? Imagine how far she might be able to go with her music!


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#1897006 - 05/14/12 10:22 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: raptor]
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Here is more discussion on how to learn Chopin's Waltz in A minor.

Chopin A minor Waltz--how to practice

Ignore what the one poster suggests about using 1-3-5 fingering for the arpeggio--he later says nope, won't work. Use 1-2-3.
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#1897483 - 05/15/12 05:14 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: Stubbie]
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Originally Posted By: Stubbie
Here is more discussion on how to learn Chopin's Waltz in A minor.

Chopin A minor Waltz--how to practice

Ignore what the one poster suggests about using 1-3-5 fingering for the arpeggio--he later says nope, won't work. Use 1-2-3.

Very nice link Stubbie - thanks! (btw, I use 1-2-3 also)
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#1897500 - 05/15/12 05:53 PM Re: Chopin Waltz Talk [Re: Stubbie]
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Originally Posted By: Stubbie
.... Use 1-2-3.


There simply is no other way. if you dont go 1-2-3 theres no chance of smoothly getting your thumb under for the next octave. Sure you could do the first triad 1-3-5, but then youd have to 'hop' to the next octave - losing the smooth seemless feel you're after (not to mention the knot you'd end up in at the top octave).
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