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#1888041 - 04/28/12 03:48 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: Gary D.]
LoPresti Offline
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
I've no moral objection to the transpose button. But I can't use it. I don't suffer from absolute perfect pitch, but my brain knows when I'm hitting keys and the wrong notes are coming out! I find myself automatically transposing to compensate, and chaos results.


Originally Posted By: daviel
They should ban transpose buttons!


Originally Posted By: Gary D.
My pitch sense varies from plus/minus 1/2 step to dead-on, so if a keyboard is transposed, I can't play anything. TOTAL disorientation!

I have a feeling that each of us would have trouble riding a tricycle.
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#1888049 - 04/28/12 04:22 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: Tango]
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I never thought about it - never having used a transpose button, but playing in F on the keyboard and having Eb coming out of the speakers would really be weird. Gives me the willie nelsons crazy
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#1888059 - 04/28/12 04:55 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: daviel]
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I can read music and still play the right keys with a transpose button, but even something I have played perfectly all my life, from memory, goes up in smoke when the music is gone, and I can play NOTHING be ear when a keyboard is transposed
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#1888064 - 04/28/12 05:09 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: daviel]
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I used the transpose button once. I was in the house band at an open mike event when a guest singer comes up to the stage and announces she will sing "Crazy" in the key of A. I know the song but never played it in that key. It has so many chords including diminished and augmenteds, I decided to cheat and transposed the keyboard down 3 half steps so I could play in C. It was a train wreck. The bass player was lost so he stepped behind me to watch my hands (wrong).

The singer did a good job in spite of the band.
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#1888119 - 04/28/12 07:29 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: Tango]
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That's a difficult song to experiment with! I don't know how anyone can use that transpose button - it's the devil's button


Edited by daviel (04/28/12 07:31 PM)
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#1888261 - 04/29/12 08:37 AM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: Gary D.]
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Originally Posted By: Gary D.
I can read music and still play the right keys with a transpose button, but even something I have played perfectly all my life, from memory, goes up in smoke when the music is gone, and I can play NOTHING be ear when a keyboard is transposed


That's the key to it I think. When reading notation literally, the button is useable. But the situation where it's usually needed is when playing from a song copy. These generally aren't MEANT to be played literally - it's a "glance at the notation then play the music" job.

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#1888263 - 04/29/12 08:38 AM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: daviel]
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Originally Posted By: daviel
That's a difficult song to experiment with!


Yeah. In jazz you can pretend you were trying a far-out substitution. Pop and Country demand the RIGHT chords!

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#1888424 - 04/29/12 02:43 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: Tango]
daviel Offline
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Loc: Waxahachie, Texas
The perfect place to bring up Spinal Tap's take on Jazz at about 1:25:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wscZhvj_lH4

It's all wrong notes.
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#1888445 - 04/29/12 03:15 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: Tango]
Studio Joe Offline
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Originally Posted By: daviel
The perfect place to bring up Spinal Tap's take on Jazz at about 1:25:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wscZhvj_lH4

It's all wrong notes.


And all the time I thought I just didn't get it.
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#1888447 - 04/29/12 03:26 PM Re: Fb9 chord [Re: Exalted Wombat]
Gary D. Offline
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Loc: South Florida
Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Originally Posted By: Gary D.
I can read music and still play the right keys with a transpose button, but even something I have played perfectly all my life, from memory, goes up in smoke when the music is gone, and I can play NOTHING be ear when a keyboard is transposed


That's the key to it I think. When reading notation literally, the button is useable. But the situation where it's usually needed is when playing from a song copy. These generally aren't MEANT to be played literally - it's a "glance at the notation then play the music" job.

Right. But also I like to show people from time to time what famous music, always played in a particular key, would sound like in a very different key, to highlight (perhaps) why thing really do sound better in the "right key". If I make a tritone switch, my memory is totally deactivated and I can't play anything. I have to use a score, and even then it is difficult.

Something I wonder about: my pitch is much more accurate when I read a score away from the piano. If I pre-hear, some kind of orientation kicks in and I am accurate enough to fool most people into thinking I have perfect pitch.

But when I hear a chord, at random, I am more likely to slip off 1/2 step in either direction. I will never think a G chord is an F chord, or visa versa, but I may get mixed up with Gb/F# on a piano when the default equal-temperament tuning is used.
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