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#1879357 - 04/14/12 03:17 AM Sennheiser HD-518's, versus...
pv88 Offline
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Registered: 08/31/10
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Just bought the Sennheiser HD-518 headphones, and, although the overall sound is very good, have found that they are attenuating an odd sound (in the V-Piano) when striking individual notes firmly from around middle C up to two octaves higher, or so. Can't seem to figure what it might be, just yet.

I am hearing a buzzing/fuzzy/raspy kind of echo when a key is initially struck, which is more synthetic/electronic in effect, but is not metallic. It is difficult to even describe it correctly, although it helps a little when I turn the "Ambience" knob all the way down. The sound is also grating and annoying.

The Sennheiser HD-518's cost $140, however, my other two Radio Shack pairs ($35 & $6, respectively) sound a lot better, really!

I am guessing that the Sennheiser's are more sensitive in picking up these minute details, as the other ones do not pick it up.

I don't particularly like this "buzz" either, as I am looking for a way in which to tweak the sound to improve it.

So, will attempt adjusting the piano and if that doesn't work, try some other headphones.*

Hope that this isn't a sign of the dreaded midrange issue, from previous threads?

Any thoughts?

*Extra note:

There is certainly no reason to spend more than $100, again.

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#1879361 - 04/14/12 04:07 AM Re: Sennheiser HD-518's, versus... [Re: pv88]
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Does v-piano have the piano designer features or options available on many of Rolands top end DP's? Maybe it's one of those sounds, e.g. cabinet resonance, hammer noise, damper noise , duplex, etc. They are normally most notable on the higher octaves.

#1896064 - 05/13/12 07:24 AM Re: Sennheiser HD-518's, versus... [Re: spanishbuddha]
pv88 Offline
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The cheaper Radio Shack headphones sound better than the Sennheiser's as they don't bring out the inherent flaws of the piano sounds.

#1896329 - 05/13/12 06:30 PM Re: Sennheiser HD-518's, versus... [Re: pv88]
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It is possible that it could be tinnitus causing your fuzzy raspy sound you are hearing as well when certain notes are played. Since I have an excellent ear for artifacts within piano sounds, I can reassure you there is nothing unusual about the way the piano sounds within the V-piano. It is possible since you heard essbrace talking about a midrange problem that subconsciously you are putting two and two together when they most probably have nothing in common to what each of you heard when playing the V-piano.

In fact, it could very well be simply your headphones that are defective causing the strange sounds with those registers. I know that my older headphones make the V-piano sound tinny in comparison to my newer ones.

Edited by Kona_V-Piano (05/13/12 06:31 PM)
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#1896348 - 05/13/12 07:38 PM Re: Sennheiser HD-518's, versus... [Re: Kona_V-Piano]
pv88 Offline
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Well, I would like to believe that my tinnitus (which I do have, by the way) could be creating/adding to this sound, but I quickly determined that it was not, as I hear this underlying "tone" which is quite obvious on many of the presets, regardless of which headphones are being used.

It is certainly something in the original modeled sounds as it cannot be completely tweaked out and is clearly distinguishable across all of the presets, not just a few. And, it is possible to minimize the underlying "tone" in some of the presets (like "Silver Extreme" for example) although not completely.

The more expensive audiophile (Sennheiser) headphones only appear to bring out this "tone" more prominently, whereas the cheaper ones tend to mask it just a bit, hence, sounding better.

I don't expect that any other headphones/speakers will change this tonal flaw, inherent in the original modeling.

Otherwise, do like listening to the V through my Klipsch speakers, giving things sharper overall clarity.*

*And, nice bass, with the subwoofer.


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