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#1891061 - 05/04/12 12:02 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
Gatsbee13 Offline
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Registered: 10/03/10
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WOW.. congrats.. you probably saved alot by getting an "older" shigeru as opposed to the newer one..

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#1891097 - 05/04/12 01:07 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: Gatsbee13]
zerox61 Offline
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Thanks guys.

Originally Posted By: Gatsbee13
WOW.. congrats.. you probably saved alot by getting an "older" shigeru as opposed to the newer one..


This one is new, I had my eye on it when it came to Australia for 2 weeks in the dealer shop. It's been at the dealer for about 2 and a bit months when I bought it. I don't want one in the box, it would require ordering, waiting, etc and it may be slightly different to the one I play at the dealer. btw, I duno about your area, but ordering a new piano and buying the display piano is exactly the same price here.

Hopefully will get a video up of the move tomorrow!

The piano is not in tune atm, tuner is coming next week! surprised that the tune will change so much after a move. I always thought only the super pedantic people would tune it after a move but some treble trichords are off and can hear beats for a few notes.


Edited by zerox61 (05/04/12 01:08 PM)

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#1891136 - 05/04/12 02:05 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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according to the serial number i saw on your piano.. it was made between 2008-2009.. the model i saw here in southern california was a 2012 model. i think the main differences were cosmetic but it was 5k more ( i would confirm with Kawai though). changes includes newly designed inner rim coloring, logos, legs, and a few other things

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#1891425 - 05/04/12 10:58 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
masaki Offline
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Originally Posted By: zerox61
.. I asked for square legs mainly because it is cheaper and I like the look of it better than the round legs. I think these legs were taken off a RX7 piano...


SKs available in Japan have square legs and square lyre pillars. It might be that your SK7's legs and the lyre pillars are genuine SK components. I can hardly imagine the RX's lyre pillars do fit to SK's lyre box.

When I ever saw the round and fluted legs in some photos posted by some SK owners in the US, I felt "too fancy!". So did, when I saw the inner rim of the 2012 version of SKs.

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#1891432 - 05/04/12 11:16 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
masaki Offline
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Originally Posted By: zerox61
..
The piano is not in tune atm, tuner is coming next week! surprised that the tune will change so much after a move. I always thought only the super pedantic people would tune it after a move but some treble trichords are off and can hear beats for a few notes.


I guess the tuner you are expecting next week is not an MPA, but a man who is supposedly provide only tuning and action adjustments only to cover the period until the MPA visit, which will not be in a few months, but after several months. I would suggest you not to ask the non-MPA tuner for jobs that require higher skills than he has.

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#1891445 - 05/04/12 11:52 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: masaki]
Robert 45 Offline
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The Australian Shigeru Kawai website lists two non-Japanese men who are presumably the MPA people for Australia. Both these technicians, according to their résumés, have had extensive experience with Kawai in Japan.

In Auckland, New Zealand, the Shigeru Kawai MPA is also a local person who may or may not be as good as the genuine article from Japan.

Regards,

Robert.


Edited by Robert 45 (05/04/12 11:55 PM)

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#1891460 - 05/05/12 12:46 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: Gatsbee13]
zerox61 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Gatsbee13
according to the serial number i saw on your piano.. it was made between 2008-2009.. the model i saw here in southern california was a 2012 model. i think the main differences were cosmetic but it was 5k more ( i would confirm with Kawai though). changes includes newly designed inner rim coloring, logos, legs, and a few other things


I'll have to ask the dealer (or call up kawai). He told me 2 and a bit months old (on the day I bought it), but since it is only cosmetic differences, I don't really care since im happy with this version. Before buying I did check the serial number though and saw 2008-2009 on the kawai US site. there was no serial reference list on the AU site so I thought it might have different serial number conventions here.


Originally Posted By: masaki
SKs available in Japan have square legs and square lyre pillars. It might be that your SK7's legs and the lyre pillars are genuine SK components. I can hardly imagine the RX's lyre pillars do fit to SK's lyre box.

When I ever saw the round and fluted legs in some photos posted by some SK owners in the US, I felt "too fancy!". So did, when I saw the inner rim of the 2012 version of SKs.


Would you happen to have a photo of the new inner rim? I am very interested to see what it looks like.

The tuner next week is not a MPA. I get 4 'free tunings' and one MPA visit. There is a MPA in Sydney so he might fly over here or one from Japan might fly here (this is what the dealer told me).


Edited by zerox61 (05/05/12 12:48 AM)

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#1891467 - 05/05/12 01:12 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
masaki Offline
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Originally Posted By: zerox61

Would you happen to have a photo of the new inner rim? I am very interested to see what it looks like.


 I do not have one, but here is a URL.

http://www.google.co.jp/imgres?q=sk+カワイ%E3%80%802012&hl=en&lr=&sa=X&as_qdr=all&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=UIRDdyUcDak6RM:&imgrefurl=http://omotesando.blog.kawai.co.jp/d2012-01.html&docid=XLou7Ert3jrngM&imgurl=http://omotesando.blog.kawai.co.jp/usr/omotesando/%2525E6%252596%2525B0%2525EF%2525BC%2525B3%2525EF%2525BC%2525AB%2525E3%252580%252580%2525E3%252583%252590%2525E3%252583%2525BC%2525E3%252582%2525BA%2525E3%252582%2525A2%2525E3%252582%2525A4.JPG&w=350&h=263&ei=XbSkT6LiBu7umAWC-8jhBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=527&sig=100625518248226394966&page=2&tbnh=158&tbnw=218&start=8&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:8,i:98&tx=124&ty=98&biw=997&bih=544

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#1891468 - 05/05/12 01:16 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
zerox61 Offline
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here are some new pictures haha I HAD to do this!!


DSC01220 by wang.zj, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63267331@N07/7143768903/in/set-72157629576441506/


DSC01198 by wang.zj, on Flickr

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#1891478 - 05/05/12 01:22 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
zerox61 Offline
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Ah I see. Actually I saw something very similar on some Bernstein (essentially a rebadged Hailun) pianos (I played a few during my search for a piano) It looks pretty cool there is some sort of 3D effect when looking at different angles right?
having said that though, I prefer the darker colour rim in the 'older sk models'

The rim materials in all of the SK are the same right? just the veneer changed?

I like the new logo on the plate it looks much better than the embossed logo on the plate.

btw Thanks for the link masaki.



oh yeah talking about cosmetics on a piano, one thing I Reallly wanted on the SK7 but is not there is the side decal as seen in the SKEX model. Kawai and Yamaha only have side decals for the flagship models. Petrof has if for all of their Master series (Monsoon, Mistral and Pasat)


Edited by zerox61 (05/05/12 01:42 AM)

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#1891963 - 05/05/12 09:54 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
zerox61 Offline
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heres the video for the move:


Edited by zerox61 (05/05/12 09:58 PM)

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#1891971 - 05/05/12 10:13 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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That was one of the most harrowing things I've ever witnessed. Your Kawai dealer is out of his mind using these guys to move his pianos!!
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#1891972 - 05/05/12 10:16 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
Dave B Offline
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Wow!!!... You had the perfect day for piano moving.

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#1891973 - 05/05/12 10:17 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Originally Posted By: CC2 and Chopin lover
That was one of the most harrowing things I've ever witnessed. Your Kawai dealer is out of his mind using these guys to move his pianos!!

I agree!

Those first few minutes were one scary suspense flick.

I mean it! Even though I figured the outcome couldn't have been too bad, I was just about as scared as with a Hitchcock movie.

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#1891981 - 05/05/12 10:49 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
zerox61 Offline
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haha, at least the piano was fully insured by the movers!

yeah that week rained a lot. it just happened to be not raining on that day which was really good!

If I ever move house or need to relocate the piano, I'll probably call some different guys, I watched other videos of piano moves and they seemed to take much more care for the piano, eg. wrapping it up, using some lyre jigs instead of lyre tipping.

they did claim that they were the 'only ones' that can do a move like this. I'm pretty sure many other movers can also do it but since they are fully insured, I guess I can relax a little.



I got to give them some credit though, The piano went to the 2nd story using a crane and another set of stairs up to the piano room without significant damage. there were some marks where the belts strapped on to the piano when hoisting it up though. They'll get those marks sorted out this week.


Edited by zerox61 (05/05/12 10:52 PM)

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#1892010 - 05/06/12 12:31 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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Your new piano is absolutely gorgeous. You are soooo lucky!
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#1892133 - 05/06/12 09:21 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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That was awesome! Looks beautiful in the room. How does it sound and feel?
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#1892139 - 05/06/12 09:47 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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zerox61, it scared the daylights out of me to watch that. If it were my piano, I don't think I could have watched. I am glad your fine instrument is mostly undamaged in spite of the movers' best efforts.
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#1892175 - 05/06/12 11:05 AM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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OG Ryder,

The sound is awesome (although out of tune). I bought a nice rug and stuck it under the piano. I don't really hear and differences but that may be because I haven't played enough to get used to the sound without rug before sticking one in.

The action is really nice. I noticed that I could hear the action mechanism clicking away as I play in the high treble when lifting up really quickly. I'm not sure if this is normal (as in this volume of the action) but either way, I'm sure the MPA would sort it out on his visit.
I also noticed that when I do staccato on the bass side, the keys will jiggle up and down (maybe 2-3 small jiggles) due to momentum. I don't recall my upright doing that but since it is such a different piano, I can't really compare.

When I go play my Yamaha C108 it makes it feel like a little toy haha. We will probably keep the yamaha at the moment instead of selling it because the 'practice pedal' is good for late night practice runs!

Probably keep the C108 until I get a decent keyboard though.

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#1892292 - 05/06/12 02:30 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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I suppose this is the technician in me talking, but I hope you keep the shades closed in that room. That sunlight on the piano makes it look pretty, but it's not going to help tuning stability any! smile
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#1892397 - 05/06/12 05:30 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: adamp88]
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Originally Posted By: adamp88
I suppose this is the technician in me talking, but I hope you keep the shades closed in that room. That sunlight on the piano makes it look pretty, but it's not going to help tuning stability any! smile

Which leads to a question I've been wondering about.

Is it 'just' tuning stability that is a problem from that, or does it also sort of ruin the piano?

I've been concerned about this because it took a while for me to realize that this was an issue, and for some years, my current piano was getting sunlight like that.

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#1892467 - 05/06/12 07:01 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
Dave B Offline
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Sunlight will fade the finish.

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#1892480 - 05/06/12 07:19 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: Dave B]
Mark_C Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dave B
Sunlight will fade the finish.

But nothing bad (other than unstable tuning) about the innards?

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#1892493 - 05/06/12 07:43 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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Sunlight, in this environment, represents radiated heat over a large body (the piano). This type of heating is very uneven and will affect both the temperature (and therefore dimensional stability of the structure) and the flow of moisture. That will damage the piano, potentially shortening its life and requiring more maintenance (tuning + nuisance issues). I suggest using common sense to mitigate the sunlight coming in. A simple test is to place your hand on the sunny part of the piano. If it feels noticeably warmer than the non-sunny parts, you're not doing enough to mitigate.
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#1892503 - 05/06/12 08:02 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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Important note:

For the money you paid I sure wouldn't have let ANYBODY move that piano until it was fully wrapped up and blanketed first, as you could have avoided those strap marks, too!

Did these movers offer you a cheaper price on account of their verbal assurance they could do the job without damages?

Sounds completely unprofessional, to me...

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#1892553 - 05/06/12 09:21 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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Congrats on your new Shigeru. This is an awesome piano and I hope you have many happy years with it.
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#1892557 - 05/06/12 09:29 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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pv88,

Actually, I have not spoken to the piano movers about price. it was all arranged by the dealer as part of my deal. The estimated price was ~$600 for the move (most expensive was crane hire) according to the dealer.

about the sunlight, I do not open the blinds. I am also planning to install some tinting; maybe 45% ones to block out 55% of the light and '99%' UV. to make it better for the piano.

I'm not sure if I should get the reflective tints; it would be really good for my room but I'm sure it would annoy the heck out of neighbours.

Anyway, the piano is getting a tune this afternoon and some scruff marks polished off. Yay!

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#1892592 - 05/06/12 10:33 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
Mark_C Offline
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Originally Posted By: zerox61
.... it was all arranged by the dealer as part of my deal....

I'm mega surprised that a dealer who sells Shigeru Kawais would send movers like that -- at least for the Shigeru Kawais.

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#1892989 - 05/07/12 03:10 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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Luckily everything went pretty smoothly.

Enjoy your new instrument.


Jeff
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Edited by Grand Piano Haus (05/07/12 03:10 PM)
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#1893158 - 05/07/12 08:59 PM Re: My Shigeru Kawai SK7 has arrived!!!! [Re: zerox61]
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Thanks guys.

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