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interesting, tell this to Paul Mirkovich and others pros playing v-piano...

Is it this Paul Mirkovich? The one that "assists" Roland with its marketing?

http://www.roland.com/video/page.cfm?vid=50180512

And as an aside (irrelevant, admittedly) on his myspace page lists his heroes as - Mom, wife, and, wait for it....Jesus.

Sick bag anyone?

Actually I can say this - those who never played acoustic grand piano may not like V-Piano.

Hey, don't forget those who do not play classical music.

exactly right as well. In popular music mix you can get away with shallow sounding DPs and you have to be really advanced jazz player to appreaciate and make use of acoustic grand full dynamic range.

Which is rather like saying those who don't play classical or "really advanced jazz" aren't really interested in the sound of their pianos. Which strikes me as elitist and (of course) total nonsense.

I don't think its nonsense. It's spot on.

For non-classical music mixes, very bright pianos from workstations work better than recordings of a real acoustic grand. The real grands sound muddy in most mixes and need plenty of equalization and compression. Where's nonsense?

PS
and there hardly a doubt that classical and Jazz pianists deliver far more expression than other styles. As a rule, they can play your style of choice perfectly and a self-taught hip-hop artist cannot play classical or jazz anywhere good.

We are very fortunate to have a company like Roland to take an engineering gamble on such a unique product like the "V". These discussions are valuable to future artists looking to move their playing to a new level, that heretofore, other boards could not live up to. It is "Zen-like" to seize on a new product to gain impetice and direction. It is the quintessential Goldilocks piano; not too big, not too loud, not too small, not too..

Yes, the V-Piano has hopefully kickstarted a trend that will bring physically- modeled DP's to the forefront. The Physis piano is a perfect example. Although initial audio demos for this product reveal a slightly thin treble that lacks some 'body' of an acoustic grand. Time will tell if they are able to hone the sound further.

But hopefully, we will see the day when a small, portable keyboard under ones arm will pack heavy-duty processing power so that it can be physically-modeled and give the user endless tweakability and HD midi velocity response.

Both Roland and Yamaha have been essential in advancing the digital piano field. In my opinion Yamaha took the lead about 12 years ago however slowed down the next 9 and let Roland take the lead with the release of the V-Piano. The AG series has brought the technological battle closer and it will be interesting to see where things lead. I do feel that in general, sampled based DP's have not improved as rapidly as we would like polyphony-wise. It is hard to believe that is still an issue even today. Every DP should have by now 256 polyphony standard. As this forum makes clear, the V-Piano isn't for everyone, however what it has done is bring a large enough change to an area that hasn't changed that much ov the last 10 or so years. As an example you need look no further than the CLP990 specs and compare them with todays top of the line Clavinova's. I just hope advancement occurs a little more quickly the next 10 years when I will be ready to buy my V-Piano's replacement.

To "V" or not to "V" this gentleman seems to have found the answer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfECxccO7zg

Yes, and Roland's cheque might have helped him make up his mind.

yep, i think you've found all the vpiano owners in the world. we are like the immortals of Green Lantern. perched high above all the DP riff-raff out there playing their honky tonkish dp's..

i haven't finished going through all the detritus of this thread- its amazing how vpiano threads are like roadside IED's waiting to blow away some poor unsuspecting blogger.

But- to restate my beliefs as a member of the 2000 lb portable DP club- i am all for the vpiano if roland would act like they give a crap and let us know they haven't left the building completely. that's it. period. Kona is right- an update would send the market a signal that the original vpiano designers weren't taken out the back door and shot.

yes, i think you are on to something there. it may be the discerning argument that separates the proponents from the opponents.

There is no "big" money in playing classical music..its all pop/rock
Lady Gaga makes more in one tour than it would take the classical
artist several lifetimes and alot of endless concerts to even come
close...Roland wouldn't have that much interest in catering to
classical pianists..

But in terms of piano, that's where the kudos still resides. Roland and Yamaha are very keen to have classical pianists demonstrating their top end creations. It carries far more weight than a pimply youth from the latest boy band.

If were talking about selling pianos..all Roland has to do is hire Lady Gaga
for a commershill, with a suggestive line like.... I just love my "V"
sales would take off...

Are we of the elite few, then? Couldn't have said it better, myself.

..... Hmmmmmm



Wow ... hard to argue with that logic. There is no pianistic world beyond the forum. I must remember this formula:

number of posts = k * total piano sales. LOL!

On the other hand, could it be that as the V-Piano is clearly a digital piano for professionals, maybe the real professional musicians are far too busy making music to be bothered defending their purchase from a persistent brace of cloth-eared clowns on a messageboard?



you mean me ......



Please do, I am all ears ......



2000 N3s? Wow!

You are remarkably well informed on this issue that you have nothing to 'shrill' about ...... would love to know where you got those 'factual' figures.

Not being "professionally supported" by anyone, just a humble consumer I got my 'facts' from the Thomann site which is the only online store that I know of that provides a sales chart for different categories of instruments. In that store, at least the V-Piano Grand is ranked higher than either the N2 or N3. Hardly definitive, not that it particularly matters.

The thing I find really interesting is this 'consensus' that seems to have grown that somehow the V-Piano has been a disaster for Roland when very few people except insiders ...hmmm .... would have any real knowledge of the situation. It is amazing the effect that a few loudmouths can have in a forum .....



This I need to hear .... please tell us, oh great one!



I see! That's where we have all been going wrong. Mistaking a musical instrument that responds to touch in a way that leaves other DPs standing as being in some way .... 'good' .... No, wait a minute, that doesn't sound right isn't that what a great musical instrument is supposed to do?



If you genuinely believe the sound to be fatally flawed then possibly your hearing is damaged in some way .... high frequency loss from too many 'gigs'? It is probably worth making a trip to see a 'real' doctor.

Lol@IED comment. Very well put. V-Piano designers out there, if you're listening, and not shot, let us original V-Piano early adopters know, actually give us some type of sign that you guys or girls are working on something new for us. One of the main reasons I purchased the V-Piano because I did see it as the future, and its design is upgradeable with plenty of space left for changes or improvements like the Evolution update.

Lol@dazedandconfused. . If anything, these V-Piano discussions that pop up about every six or so months at the very least are mixed with raw emotions and then usually end with humor.