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#1894338 - 05/09/12 06:33 PM New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700
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Hi first I want to say I little experience with digital pianos so please excuse what might appear to be silly questions.

Looking to buy a digital piano, the objective is to teach the kids piano, give them the opportunity to explore and have fun with music and my wife a I would like to play the piano (we are very average players. Finally it would be nice if it looked good.

Looking to spend 1-2k. Originally looked at the yamaha CLP 430 which we could get for 2k before tax. I was told by a expert that the casio ap620 will provide better fun for the kids, and similar sound quality for much less.

Then I saw a old CVP 700 for sale, dings in the cabinet but still working well.

Which would be a better buy if the price was similar? the cvp has only 64 polyphony but we like playing classical, are we going to notice that?, does the casio have more features the kids will like? should we be worried about the cvp 700 breaking down. Is there another digital we should be looking at new or used.

thanks


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#1894341 - 05/09/12 06:40 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1894355 - 05/09/12 07:14 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Thanks it is good to know that the casio is a good piano the other interesting question is, is a top of the range old digital piano cvp 700 a better buy than mid to low level new piano casio 620?

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#1894380 - 05/09/12 08:08 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Maclum
The two pianos are similar in terms of features. It comes down to the key action you like best. You would want to play both and decide which you prefer. Both pianos have additional sounds and rhythms. The Casio has a better sequencer but this would be important only if you want to record which might be down the road a ways.

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#1894387 - 05/09/12 08:27 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Thanks since we are not experts my concern with the key action is 1. is that it is close enough to a acoustic piano that my kids can move back and forth in case their teacher has a acoustic. 2. Are the keys going to survive my kids enthusiasm (especially the older cvp)

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#1894391 - 05/09/12 08:40 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Digital piano actions can develop problems just like an acoustic eventually does. A digital will never feel exactly like an acoustic, but your boys should not have any trouble going back and forth between the two. As far as you not being experts, you will likely have a preference for one key action over the other.

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#1894472 - 05/09/12 11:22 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Thanks! so functionality is similar, both have realistic key actions, it gets down to, how reliable is a 10 year old cvp700, is the 64 polyphony good enough in the cvp700, which key action do the adults like and how much nicer is the cvp700's cabinet.

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#1894481 - 05/09/12 11:40 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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I have owned the CASIO AP-620 and I could not get rid of it quick enough. I did not like the rapid decay rate of the tones.

I also owned Yamaha DPs and would recommend the CLP 430 over the CASIO for a better sound, especially for classical music.

The CASIO will be more fun for the children because of all the various backgrounds you can bring up.

I believe the CVP has a lot of those bells and whistles also but I know nothing about that DP. If you could get that CVP for about $1000 I would say go for it.
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#1894487 - 05/09/12 11:51 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: dmd]
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Thanks Don, what causes the rapid decay? is it a definable spec in the DP? Unfortunately for my wife and I we want this purchase to teach and excite the kids about music so the casio would be better than the CLP 430. The cvp 700 might be a great compromise but I need some advice about the importance of the 64 polyphony. If I could get it down to 1k for the 700 it would be a easier decision but the 700 is in a grand cabinet(although it is beat up) so it is priced higher.

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#1894492 - 05/10/12 12:05 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Originally Posted By: maclum
Thanks Don, what causes the rapid decay? is it a definable spec in the DP? Unfortunately for my wife and I we want this purchase to teach and excite the kids about music so the casio would be better than the CLP 430. The cvp 700 might be a great compromise but I need some advice about the importance of the 64 polyphony. If I could get it down to 1k for the 700 it would be a easier decision but the 700 is in a grand cabinet(although it is beat up) so it is priced higher.


This is interesting...Mind if I chime in?

What's your experience working with children? I've learned that kids don't always go for what's "fun" or the "bells and whistles." A while ago there was a research study with babies. 2 guitars were placed in front of them. They had to choose between a toy guitar and a Gibson. The result was that the babies would naturally gravitate towards the Gibson. (sorry I cannot cite this research now). This study suggested that kids know "quality" when they see it. I say get a piano that you like. Forget about which piano has the most bells and whistles. If you appreciate it and show that, chances are kids will too.

Finally I would say how much kids like you and enjoy learning piano from you depends on your teaching style, not what kind of features the piano has.

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#1894501 - 05/10/12 12:28 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: immuno]
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Great question, first let me say, other than as a parent I have had not formally trained children. But I did purchase a portable Yamaha 76 key digital grand piano and with out any training or prompting from me the kids have leaned how to use it and have ball just experimenting with the different sounds. This showed to me how such functionality can provide fun to the kids through music - that is priceless. So it seems to me that the broad functionality provide fun and exposure for our kids into music in general, where as the piano lessons will provide skills and knowledge.

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#1894505 - 05/10/12 12:34 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Cool.

Originally Posted By: maclum
So it seems to me that the broad functionality provide fun and exposure for our kids into music in general, where as the piano lessons will provide skills and knowledge.


I think this is a great distinction you made. You have to ask yourself what is your ultimate goal then: to introduce kids to music or teach them some really technical piano skills (classical and stuff)? I'm guessing it's a mix of both. Therefore, you'll want something that sounds great but has enough cool stuff for kids to tinker with. Obviously you already know this, duh. I'm the one that's late to the party.

I wish I could provide more help with digital pianos specifically, Casios. All I can say is that in my shopping, I found that CVPs are really nice. I wish I could afford one. I just ordered a CLP 430. It was also $2000, like you mentioned. I would recommend a used CVP.

I can tell you that growing up, my teacher had 2 digital pianos (and rather nice ones as far as I could tell) AND a baby grand. The setup was really nice. I don't think they had all the fancy beats and electronic gizmos, but that was okay with me. The most fun part of the lesson was each of us hopping on a digital piano and her teaching me that way. So ideally, maybe you could get TWO digital pianos. Hahaha...

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#1894508 - 05/10/12 12:42 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: immuno]
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Thanks for your input your have nailed my dilemma. I want both and can not afford to pay too much for it (like 90% of us). I will have to compromise somewhere because we can not buy top of the range and that is why I am asking for the help of this forum. The Casio AP620 or CVP 700 are the compromises I have identified and I am hoping the combined knowledge and expertise of this forum will help me either choose between these two or find another better solution.


Edited by maclum (05/10/12 12:45 AM)

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#1894509 - 05/10/12 12:43 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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See my edited post above. smile

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#1894513 - 05/10/12 12:50 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: immuno]
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Thanks!!! so not only do I have to buy a expensive DP but I have to buy two? other than the sticker shock that is a good idea, I could use our existing, Yamaha 76 key keyboard and play along with the kids, that really would be a lot of fun!!!


Edited by maclum (05/10/12 01:21 AM)

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#1894515 - 05/10/12 12:54 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Haha. It was definitely overkill. You only need 1 piano.

Good luck with the decision and purchase!

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#1894543 - 05/10/12 02:11 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: immuno]
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thanks it really was a good idea about playing with two DP I will do that!

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#1894629 - 05/10/12 07:56 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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BTW, I did not see whether you have actually played on any of these models you are considering. Have you ?

It is usually not a good idea to purchase without playing around with them a little bit, anyway.

If you have decided it is now between the CVP700 and the CASIO AP620 I would have to suggest that you make every effort to go with the CVP700.


Edited by dmd (05/10/12 07:56 AM)
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#1894656 - 05/10/12 09:01 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: dmd]
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Hi we tried the CLP 430 which we liked and we will try the cvp 700 soon. I need to work out where to find the casio to try. I am curious as to why you are recommending the cvp 700? It would be great to get your opinion about the impact of only 64 polyphony.


Edited by maclum (05/10/12 09:03 AM)

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#1894701 - 05/10/12 10:55 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Originally Posted By: maclum
Hi we tried the CLP 430 which we liked and we will try the cvp 700 soon. I need to work out where to find the casio to try. I am curious as to why you are recommending the cvp 700? It would be great to get your opinion about the impact of only 64 polyphony.


I am recommending the CVP700 only because I thought you had already ruled out the CLP430 and I know what the CASIO AP-620 is. Also, I know the CVP product line is a good one, in general... although a bit pricey.

64 polyphony will not affect you to any noticeable degree, if at all.
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#1894732 - 05/10/12 11:44 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Thanks Don, I just found a great discussion on polyphony in a old topic, I hope it is OK to quote directly. The discussion went on for awhile before this submission which gave a very practical example of how 64 polyphony might be a problem?

by seanakaforty
"I guess I'm one of those guys that buys into the polyphony hype then. Let's say you hold the damper pedal while playing a four-note arpeggio played over four octaves while the left hand plays the root note in octaves, that's 18 notes of polyphony. Assuming you're using a stereo sound (the standard nowadays), this becomes 36 notes of polyphony. Now lets say you play the same thing with two combined two sounds (grand piano and vibes for example), both of which use stereo samples. Now you're already using 72 notes of polyphony! And this is just a modest example. Me personally, I have some setups that use 5 or 6 different sounds, a few of which are stereo (double the polyphony).

Now, since we're mainly focusing on digital pianos here, let me give you another example that doesn't have to involve layering sounds. Instead of an arpeggio, think about playing a scale. If you play a scale over 4 octaves, with holding the damper pedal down, and the left hand playing octave root notes (not such a farfetched situation for a non-beginner pianist), that's already 60 notes of polyphony for a stereo piano sound!

Now I'm not saying that everybody will need a ton of polyphony, I'm just saying...it is not that hard to eat up polyphony in a hurry. I noticed dropouts often when I was using a board with 32 notes of polyphony (16 for stereo), so I upgraded. My current board has 64 notes, and I still notice dropouts when I am doing complex layering or using multiple stereo voices :rolleyes: .

Just my $0.02"


Edited by maclum (05/10/12 11:44 AM)

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#1894758 - 05/10/12 12:26 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Originally Posted By: maclum
Thanks Don, I just found a great discussion on polyphony in a old topic, I hope it is OK to quote directly. The discussion went on for awhile before this submission which gave a very practical example of how 64 polyphony might be a problem?

by seanakaforty
"I guess I'm one of those guys that buys into the polyphony hype then. Let's say you hold the damper pedal while playing a four-note arpeggio played over four octaves while the left hand plays the root note in octaves, that's 18 notes of polyphony. Assuming you're using a stereo sound (the standard nowadays), this becomes 36 notes of polyphony. Now lets say you play the same thing with two combined two sounds (grand piano and vibes for example), both of which use stereo samples. Now you're already using 72 notes of polyphony! And this is just a modest example. Me personally, I have some setups that use 5 or 6 different sounds, a few of which are stereo (double the polyphony).

Now, since we're mainly focusing on digital pianos here, let me give you another example that doesn't have to involve layering sounds. Instead of an arpeggio, think about playing a scale. If you play a scale over 4 octaves, with holding the damper pedal down, and the left hand playing octave root notes (not such a farfetched situation for a non-beginner pianist), that's already 60 notes of polyphony for a stereo piano sound!

Now I'm not saying that everybody will need a ton of polyphony, I'm just saying...it is not that hard to eat up polyphony in a hurry. I noticed dropouts often when I was using a board with 32 notes of polyphony (16 for stereo), so I upgraded. My current board has 64 notes, and I still notice dropouts when I am doing complex layering or using multiple stereo voices :rolleyes: .

Just my $0.02"


It sounds like with 1 voice (such as grand piano for classical music), polyphony is not a problem. But when you start to add layers and layers, polyphony becomes your limiting reagent. It's kind of ironic that the CVP would only have 64 notes, since the CVP is supposed to have all the beats. layers and gadgets (vs the CLP). But obviously it's an older model.

My seller at Costco showed me some layering effects on the CVP-505 (that's a new model). It has 128-note polyphony. He layered strings, grand, and choir. It sounded really awesome and I personally didn't notice any dropout. He told me he once also played in the middle of the LA Convention center with it too, and he got his piano hooked up to the Convention Center's sound system. Everyone thought he had a full band and orchestra. That's how realistic it sounded. I know this doesn't help you, but my point is just that if you decide to get a DP with 128-note polyphony, you definitely won't have a problem.

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#1894768 - 05/10/12 12:49 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: immuno]
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Great point, I doubt my wife and I will ever use that level of layering, but I am sure my kids will go crazy with that functionality. So this has helped me clarify what we need. If I want the kids to explore music in general and have fun then they will be using different voices and layering. Being kids they will want to do that to the extreme so the polyphony number will be a issue. The casio has around 190 which is plenty.

I do not want to throw in another issue this late in the discussion but I did just read about some DP's being able to connect to the internet and access online piano lessons? Is that possible?, useful? and is there a DP that can do it that does not cost a fortune?

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#1894823 - 05/10/12 02:38 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Well, I have said about all I have to say on this subject.

My final thought would be to reiterate ...

Please do not purchase anything without playing it first.

I did that once and it was a big mistake.

Good Luck


Edited by dmd (05/10/12 02:39 PM)
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#1894828 - 05/10/12 02:49 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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I doubt that you will have any issues running out of notes especially since you are all more or less starting out. As far as polophony goes, something with 32 is sufficient for many people. You would rarely run out of notes using a single voice. More voices and instruments playing could get in the way. However, I have a 32 voice Casio with lots of sounds and drum loops and rarely have any trouble with losing notes. Yes there are certain combinations of rhythms and voices that clip and drop notes, but it does surprisingly well. Most digital pianos have a note stealing algorithm that comes into play to minimize dropped notes.

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#1894996 - 05/10/12 07:48 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Well lots of advice thanks for that. I will get back to you all next week after testing and tell you how it went

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#1895562 - 05/12/12 12:34 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Hi we have decided to go with the Casio ap 620. The key action and cabinet style is perfect for our needs. The CVP 700 is also very good, the cabinet is great but the buttons look a little dated. But in the end it was the technology that won 128 polyphony vs 64, plug and play usb connection vs USB to Midi adapter, 3 year warranty vs none and very important for the kids it very easy for them to layer on the different voices. Finally and important for us, because we are on a budget, we can get the Casio for less than 1300 with no tax and the seller (who I found on this site thanks!!!) will also provide midi music customized to our needs, what more can you ask for.

I was very surprised and quite disappointed that the older DP's that I looked at (Yamaha and Roland at least 10 years old) were still priced very high even though technology, key action and PC connectivity has improved so much. Most people I talked to who were selling their older DP's (and many had them on the market for a long time with no bites)could not reconcile that even though they had purchased top of the line, high quality, expensive, musical instrument, they had also purchased a DIGITAL instrument, which is, at its heart, a great piece of technology, with built in redundancy and obsolescence. It is a pity because I will always buy used if I can get higher quality/functionality than new for the same price. But not this time.

Thanks for your help

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#1895570 - 05/12/12 12:55 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1895576 - 05/12/12 01:04 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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It's a very smart buy, congratulations! I would liken buying a Casio over a old Clavinova to buying a new Ford Focus over an old Lexus or BMW. Like Clavinovas, BMWs and Lexus' can elicit a sense of prestige among owners. They also hold their value over time quite well. However, I wouldn't consider their older models to be very luxurious anymore, and owners can sometimes act like they have a stick up their butt. Hahaha. Obviously I mean no offense to anyone here.

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#1895593 - 05/12/12 02:20 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Immuno I know where you are going with your analogy and I do agree in general but the funny thing is your specific example does not work. I did buy a old BMW 323 instead of a new ford because I got better engine/better suspension/better detailing/better performance in fact all in all better everything for a much cheaper price (except maintenance which was much more).

But in this case the the BMW equivalent, the CVP 700 is more expensive, is not better in all or even most features/specifications/.

Now if we were talking about the CVP models after the CVP700 like the CVP900 then it is a different story, they are very nice!!! they look great, nice big screen, good specs, but even more expensive. Would love to have one of those.

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#1895664 - 05/12/12 08:11 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Originally Posted By: maclum
Hi we have decided to go with the Casio ap 620. The key action and cabinet style is perfect for our needs.


It sounds like you played it, then. Good.

Congratulations to you and your family.
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#1895682 - 05/12/12 09:38 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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I came kind of late to this thread, but I'll just chime in and say that I think you made the right decision. I have owned an AP620 that I got about 1 1/2 years ago and I am very pleased with it. I hooked up some M Audio BX5-A external monitors which make it sound a whole lot better. The onboard speakers on DPs rarely sound very good, I have found. (FWIW, I have played piano off and on for about 50 years, both APs and DPs of varying quality levels, so I've got some basis for comparison.)

In any case, congrats on the purchase!
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#1895708 - 05/12/12 10:50 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: leemax]
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Good to know Lee, what should I be looking for in a external speaker? I will probably search CL for used.

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#1895778 - 05/12/12 02:29 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Just one more note I am buying from ARIZONA PIANO WHOLESALE recommended in this forum because of a great price, additional customized music library that they offer for teaching purposes, and I just like supporting small businesses when I can. But Guitar Center are crazy aggressive with their prices and offered $1200 after tax if a purchased this weekend. Seems like a good time to buy.

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#1895790 - 05/12/12 03:01 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Originally Posted By: maclum
Just one more note I am buying from ARIZONA PIANO WHOLESALE recommended in this forum because of a great price, additional customized music library that they offer for teaching purposes, and I just like supporting small businesses when I can. But Guitar Center are crazy aggressive with their prices and offered $1200 after tax if a purchased this weekend. Seems like a good time to buy.


Was it the same place that gave you this advice?

Quote:

I was told by a expert that the casio ap620 will provide better fun for the kids, and similar sound quality for much less.


If you look at his reviews, he really only recommends stuff he sells and doesn't recommend anything he doesn't sell. Even if something doesn't get listed as "not recommended", he'll say to look at something similar he does sell. He doesn't appear to sell Yamaha or Roland and doesn't recommend any of their products and instead steers people to products he does sell. Seems pretty shady to me.

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#1895791 - 05/12/12 03:05 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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But Guitar Center are crazy aggressive with their prices and offered $1200 after tax if a purchased this weekend. Seems like a good time to buy.


Of course. In this economy, it's a buyer's market. Luxury items like pianos aren't selling well, despite what you see in this forum.

Even that seller at AZ Piano Wholesale is probably desperate in this economy, though he won't admit it.

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#1895793 - 05/12/12 03:12 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: Lefty Chev]
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Yes he was the expert I quoted, he seemed pretty honest and above board??? I liked that fact that he was a music teacher as well, seemed to be a perfect combination for what we were looking for.

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#1895799 - 05/12/12 03:28 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1895802 - 05/12/12 03:32 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Yes, even if you have unknowingly received some bias, doesn't mean you won't be perfectly happy.

General comment: Internet reviews are really the perfect way to make yourself insane when you are shopping for something!

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#1895806 - 05/12/12 03:38 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: ando]
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#1895808 - 05/12/12 03:43 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Thanks it was Tim, I originally I asked about the Kawai CE220, or clp 430. He could of pushed the Kawai which was more expensive than the Casio(which he also sells) but he recommended the Casio (which was the least expensive) because the quality was similar but the functionality that I wanted for the kids was better.

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#1895812 - 05/12/12 03:53 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1895817 - 05/12/12 04:01 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Hi just a quick note the price I quoted was for the Guitar center, not Tim, I don't mind quoting guitar centers offer because they are a public retailer.

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#1895819 - 05/12/12 04:04 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: ando]
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Yes, even if you have unknowingly received some bias, doesn't mean you won't be perfectly happy.

General comment: Internet reviews are really the perfect way to make yourself insane when you are shopping for something!


Yes, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't make the right choice or that you didn't get a good deal. It sounds like you did your homework.

My comment was more a reaction to comming across his review web site which steers people to only the products he sells without really disclosing that he's a dealer or that he doesn't sell the products he advises against. He also advises against some digital pianos that have a pretty broad consensus as best in class in favor of products that he sells.

To me that's shady at best.

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#1895850 - 05/12/12 05:08 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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[Edited]

Quote below this post* has been changed to:

"The short decay in the Casio AP-620 will definitely be noticed by advanced players as it is not sufficient for sustaining long melodic lines and heavier chordal passages."

*[I agree with "dmd" below.]

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#1895888 - 05/12/12 07:22 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
even though some have said that it has too short of a "decay" with regards to resonance is just nit picking on a minor detail that most players aren't going to notice.


Well, I beg to differ with you on the
Quote:
aren't going to notice
part.

I made the mistake of going by the hype on the internet about the AP620, purchased it, put it together, and sold it all in the same week (at a considerable loss).

I am nothing special as a piano player, but I could not live with the decay issue. In fairness, the person I sold it to ... tried it and loved it and drove away with it a very happy person. In my opinion, it is fine for fast, banging, type of music but not slow, delicate classical pieces.

It will be "fun" for the kids, but I have my doubts with any serious playing.
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#1895896 - 05/12/12 07:54 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: Lefty Chev]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Yes, even if you have unknowingly received some bias, doesn't mean you won't be perfectly happy.

General comment: Internet reviews are really the perfect way to make yourself insane when you are shopping for something!


Yes, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't make the right choice or that you didn't get a good deal. It sounds like you did your homework.

My comment was more a reaction to comming across his review web site which steers people to only the products he sells without really disclosing that he's a dealer or that he doesn't sell the products he advises against. He also advises against some digital pianos that have a pretty broad consensus as best in class in favor of products that he sells.

To me that's shady at best.


Well in the end we can only judge him by how he behaves, so far he has been upfront and honest, I will update you once I have the DP

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#1895898 - 05/12/12 07:57 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
even though some have said that it has too short of a "decay" with regards to resonance is just nit picking on a minor detail that most players aren't going to notice.


Well, I beg to differ with you on the
Quote:
aren't going to notice
part.

I made the mistake of going by the hype on the internet about the AP620, purchased it, put it together, and sold it all in the same week (at a considerable loss).

I am nothing special as a piano player, but I could not live with the decay issue. In fairness, the person I sold it to ... tried it and loved it and drove away with it a very happy person. In my opinion, it is fine for fast, banging, type of music but not slow, delicate classical pieces.

It will be "fun" for the kids, but I have my doubts with any serious playing.



I wish I knew what decay is, then I could get more worried. It will be a pity if the slow delicate classical pieces suffer because that it my personal preference but in the end it is for my kids education so I am willing to make that compromise so that they can have the chance to explore all music options beyond the piano.

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#1895907 - 05/12/12 08:13 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1895933 - 05/12/12 09:23 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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You probably won't notice or care much about the sustaining of notes. Most digitals even if they have long decay do not sound natural because of looping which becomes very obvious in order to sustain the note. What it comes down to with a digital is that you are playing a sampled tone instead of actually striking a string like on an acoustic. Since the sound is produced electronically instead of naturally, there are limitations on how it can be reproduced faithfully. Also the piano samples are layered meaning that the notes are recorded at different velocity levels (3 or 4 layers is common) which limits the dynamic range of all digitals. If you become concerned or maybe tired of the sample of your digital, you can connect the piano to a computer and use a software synth called a VST which has much better sound and dynamic range. This is what most of us do when we get tired of our digital piano internal sound.

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#1895944 - 05/12/12 10:01 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Wow you guys really know your stuff, but I think the decision is actually very easy. For around 1200 can you get a DP with better piano acoustics and same degree of functionality as the AP620? If so I would like to know what it is and I will buy it.

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#1895968 - 05/12/12 11:20 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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[Edited]

Quoted post below has been changed to this:

"The Kawai EP3/ES7 is a better choice than the AP-620, since the Kawai's have far better tonal decay and harmonic resonance."

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#1895970 - 05/12/12 11:32 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
@maclum,

No, you can't get a better digital than the AP-620, in the $1,200 range.

I would buy it now, unless you change your mind again and want to spend a lot more money than this. You can always spend more, but you won't find a better digital at this price!


Other than the furniture quality cabinet, is the AP620 much different than the PX-330?

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#1895976 - 05/12/12 11:49 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: Lefty Chev]
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[Edited]

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#1895977 - 05/12/12 11:57 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
@Lefty Chev,

I can't really say for sure on that, although I did previously own a Casio PX-130 (not a 330), and, there is no doubt that the action has a much more solid feel in the wooden cabinet, and, there are no issues whatsoever in regards to key noise or side play. The PX-130's keys just felt lighter overall and that is probably on account of them being in the smaller (and, far less heavy) shell.

The pedals are very solid by the way, and, offer good resistance almost like on a grand piano. I also asked Mike Martin (of Casio) as to what samples were being used in the PX-130, and, he said it was "Steinway D." Did confirm the same sample sets for the other models, too.

Also, the original poster can make his own decisions in the end, although I don't think a better digital will be found for less than $1,200.

That's all I have, for now... too much typing, as it is!


I was under the impression that all the actions on all the Casio's were the same, so if the OP wanted to spend less and didn't care about the furniture like case, they could get a PX-330 with the stand and pedal unit for cheaper.

I also believe that the Yamaha P155 gets a lot of love in the $1000 range, but that doesn't come with the case/stand and it doesn't have an extensive amount sounds to play around with. The trade off would be better action and main piano sound but loosing the bells and whistles along with a furniture like quality. There is a $100 stand though.

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#1895985 - 05/13/12 12:37 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
@maclum,

No, you can't get a better digital than the AP-620, in the $1,200 range.

I would buy it now, unless you change your mind again and want to spend a lot more money than this. You can always spend more, but you won't find a better digital at this price!

Please note:

Starting at $2,000, and up, you can look at many of the stage pianos from both Yamaha and Roland, although they may not have all of the features of the Casio, plus you will have to add a stand, an extra sustain pedal, and, a bench. Some of these stage pianos don't even have a music rest to place your music books on, or, built in speakers, meaning that you have add these items, and...

You already have all of these features/accessories in the Casio AP-620. Just assemble your piano when it arrives, and, you're ready to go.

So, do you still want to spend more money?


No!!!!!!!

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#1896020 - 05/13/12 03:32 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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[Edited]

Have confirmed that the Kawai EP3/ES7 is a better choice than either the Casio AP-620 (or, AP-650) due to the better tonal decay and harmonic resonance.

No longer recommend the Casio, as mentioned in the quote above.

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#1896090 - 05/13/12 09:47 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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I'll jump in again on the side of the 620 re: the decay issue. When I read that some people had issues with decaly length I went and timed the decay on mine. The bass notes take longer to decay than the treble, as on an acoustic piano, with the bass notes taking a little over 20 seconds to fade out and the trebles around 15 seconds. That is every bit as long as many acoustics, and far longer than any standard piece of music would require. As for "looping", it is not an issue for me. There is a pulse on a sustained note, again similar to what you would hear on an AP, but every note has a different rate of that pulse so if you are sustaining a chord those pulses, or beats, or whatever, combine and create a very complex pattern that is unique to whatever combination of notes you are holding. Again, in most actual literature, decay and looping would seldom have time to be heard since notes simply aren't sustained for 10 or 15 seconds. Since getting my 620 I have played a number of other DPs, including high end Rolands and Yamahas, (using my own headphones) and I prefer the sound and feel of my 620 to them.
One other thing I like is that, especially through headphones, there is a very realistic sound of the hammers hitting the backcheck, especially on the higher notes. That sort of "thunk", especially when you hit the key a little harder. It adds to the satisfaction and realism of it.
Enjoy! Let us know what you think when you have it. (also, I still like the M-Audio BX5a monitors, but I don't have a lot of experience with others.)
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#1896259 - 05/13/12 03:58 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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[Edited]

Reply to post, above:

Note that 15 and 20 second decays in digital piano samples (Casio, or, otherwise) are far too short as compared with a real acoustic grand piano.

Only the Roland V-Piano & Kawai CA95 can simulate the longer decay times.

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#1896373 - 05/13/12 08:40 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Your not going to believe this but before I signed the purchase order for the Casio I gave the Yamaha dealer a courtesy call (he was a great guy and showed the whole family his full range including a 1.5 million grand). The dealer (who is one of the best sales persons I have every met, and not in a sleazy way) then offered a additional and significant discount of the CLP-430 from the 2k he quoted. The discount is enough that price is not longer a issue in comparing it to the casio ap620 and it comes down to is the functionality of the casio worth more to us than the the real or perceived better sound quality and key action of the yamaha. I am getting a bit sick of dithering around with this decision so I will take one more look at the difference tonight and make a decision tomorrow. Thanks for your help everyone I really appreciate it.

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#1896389 - 05/13/12 09:06 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1896404 - 05/13/12 09:26 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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I agree with pv88 said, I noticed that too - but only AFTER I read that review. Haha, it's not a huge problem though. What is your price on the CLP 430 now?

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#1896415 - 05/13/12 09:48 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
Other than playing it yourself, no other comments will suffice.


This is the final, and most important test. I would strongly suggest that you do not purchase anything without playing it first. That can be a big mistake.
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#1896435 - 05/13/12 10:31 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: dmd]
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I agree Don I am going to go back tomorrow to try one more time, but after all the advice I have had from this forum I know what to look for, I will look at the decay, key action especially at the upper end and the voices and other extra functionality.


Edited by maclum (05/13/12 10:31 PM)

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#1896452 - 05/13/12 11:11 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Originally Posted By: maclum
I agree Don I am going to go back tomorrow to try one more time, but after all the advice I have had from this forum I know what to look for, I will look at the decay, key action especially at the upper end and the voices and other extra functionality.


Great. If, after playing them .... whatever you decide on will be the right choice.
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#1896462 - 05/13/12 11:43 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Make sure you take your own (good) headphones along so you are hearing the sound that the DP is capable of making, and so you are comparing apples to apples, so to speak. Good luck with the choice! Sometimes it doesn't help to have price not be an issue, does it? Makes it harder to choose. I got my 620 as a "scratch and dent" from Musicians Friend for about $500.00, so that low of a price made it an easy choice for me.
Let us know what you decide!
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#1896477 - 05/14/12 12:09 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: leemax]
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wow 500 that is amazing

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#1896505 - 05/14/12 01:16 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1896507 - 05/14/12 01:32 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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Extra note:

Just noticed I had 666 posts, so I thought I better post again to get to the next number... eek

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#1896520 - 05/14/12 02:20 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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Great http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/images/icons/default/mad.gif
So like Robert Leroy Johnson am I going to be visited by the devil tonight and offered mastery over the casio cvp 700 in return for my soul

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#1896525 - 05/14/12 02:40 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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The haunted post has now been left behind, forever in the past... grin

Are you now being offered the CLP-430, or, the CVP 700?

Both pianos have better tonal decay over the Casio.

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#1896651 - 05/14/12 10:35 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: pv88]
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CLP 430, the CVP is too old for the price, I got some good advice from a owner of a CVP 900 and it seems that the the models after the cvp 700 improved noticeably in key action, polyphony and the control panel. I would love a cvp from the next year the 200 series.


Edited by maclum (05/14/12 10:44 AM)

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#1897376 - 05/15/12 01:32 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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A combination of advice here, playing the Yamaha once more and reading the hilarious and informative forum here "No to DP - get an AP or you go find another teacher [Re: Smiles466]" has made my decision clear. Here is a convoluted summary that really should be in the forum mentioned above

I want to give my kids the best possible opportunity to learn and love music.

I found the traditional teaching method for piano promotes discrimination learning or rote learning incredibly boring for the first couple of years and it did not give me broader understanding/appreciation of the fun aspects of music like complex rhythms, texture, instruments, styles, timber and so on.

If you are lucky and actually have some natural music ability (unlike me), then you can learn by inference this takes place when a student is unconscious of what he is learning because he is teaching himself. In that case you probably found the learning process much more enjoyable and could pick up the more sophisticated and fun parts of music better/quicker than I.

So what does this have to with my purchase decision.
Well I believe that the DP should allow my kids to jump to the more sophisticated and enjoyable parts of music very quickly whilst learning the basics through the rote learning method. They will still have to go to lessons and push through the rote exercises but they can also experiment with the Rhythms/Auto-Accompaniment/styles/voices/songs and by doing so learn by inference.

So if that is the case (it would be great to get some feed back on this assumption) the then:-
1. I have to buy a DP not AP (we do not have the room/money to get both)
2. I need a DP that has extensive rhythms/Auto-Accompaniment/styles/voices/songs functionality which rules out the Yamaha CLP range. (after looking at them yesterday I do wonder why they have that range at all?)
3. My budget (less than 2k) rules out the yamaha CVP options,(which are fantastic)
4. The AP620 seems to fit those requirements at a great price.

I see the AP 620 as a two year option, after which upgrade to DP or AP that suites their skill level and preference.

The only risk I see is that we find that the difference between the AP620 and a acoustic is so great that they can not learn properly now, and it seems from reading this forum and all the advice that I have had that this is a relatively low risk for the first couple of years.

Thanks for all your help, this is a awesome forum !!!!!!!!!!!!



Edited by maclum (05/15/12 01:34 PM)

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#1897380 - 05/15/12 01:42 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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So you decided against the CLP430? Damn. Haha.

Quote:
Yamaha CLP range. (after looking at them yesterday I do wonder why they have that range at all?)


CLP is the classical range and CVP is the versatile range. CLP is for if you just want a simple DP with good grand piano sound w/o paying $3-5000 or more.

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#1897391 - 05/15/12 02:00 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: immuno]
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Originally Posted By: immuno
So you decided against the CLP430? Damn. Haha.

Quote:
Yamaha CLP range. (after looking at them yesterday I do wonder why they have that range at all?)


CLP is the classical range and CVP is the versatile range. CLP is for if you just want a simple DP with good grand piano sound w/o paying $3-5000 or more.


Yes recognize that I am expressing my lack of experience in that statement. I have no grand piano experience, only played a average upright acoustic. Yesterday I played a upright acoustic and the CLP430 side by side and preferred the acoustic (with out headphones which is a little unfair). I also, for fun, tried the CVP 505 and was blown away, it was fantastic (I suspect that the speakers contributed a lot to the great sound)

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#1897485 - 05/15/12 05:16 PM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: maclum]
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#1999251 - 12/14/12 03:40 AM Re: New casio ap620 versus yamaha cvp 700 [Re: dmd]
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I have owned the CASIO AP-620 and I could not get rid of it quick enough. I did not like the rapid decay rate of the tones.


Do have to agree with this, no doubt!

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