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I agree with pv88 said, I noticed that too - but only AFTER I read that review. Haha, it's not a huge problem though. What is your price on the CLP 430 now?

This is the final, and most important test. I would strongly suggest that you do not purchase anything without playing it first. That can be a big mistake.

I agree Don I am going to go back tomorrow to try one more time, but after all the advice I have had from this forum I know what to look for, I will look at the decay, key action especially at the upper end and the voices and other extra functionality.

Great. If, after playing them .... whatever you decide on will be the right choice.

Make sure you take your own (good) headphones along so you are hearing the sound that the DP is capable of making, and so you are comparing apples to apples, so to speak. Good luck with the choice! Sometimes it doesn't help to have price not be an issue, does it? Makes it harder to choose. I got my 620 as a "scratch and dent" from Musicians Friend for about $500.00, so that low of a price made it an easy choice for me.
Let us know what you decide!

wow 500 that is amazing

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Just noticed I had 666 posts, so I thought I better post again to get to the next number...

Great http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/images/icons/default/mad.gif
So like Robert Leroy Johnson am I going to be visited by the devil tonight and offered mastery over the casio cvp 700 in return for my soul

The haunted post has now been left behind, forever in the past...

Are you now being offered the CLP-430, or, the CVP 700?

Both pianos have better tonal decay over the Casio.

CLP 430, the CVP is too old for the price, I got some good advice from a owner of a CVP 900 and it seems that the the models after the cvp 700 improved noticeably in key action, polyphony and the control panel. I would love a cvp from the next year the 200 series.

A combination of advice here, playing the Yamaha once more and reading the hilarious and informative forum here "No to DP - get an AP or you go find another teacher [Re: Smiles466]" has made my decision clear. Here is a convoluted summary that really should be in the forum mentioned above

I want to give my kids the best possible opportunity to learn and love music.

I found the traditional teaching method for piano promotes discrimination learning or rote learning incredibly boring for the first couple of years and it did not give me broader understanding/appreciation of the fun aspects of music like complex rhythms, texture, instruments, styles, timber and so on.

If you are lucky and actually have some natural music ability (unlike me), then you can learn by inference this takes place when a student is unconscious of what he is learning because he is teaching himself. In that case you probably found the learning process much more enjoyable and could pick up the more sophisticated and fun parts of music better/quicker than I.

So what does this have to with my purchase decision.
Well I believe that the DP should allow my kids to jump to the more sophisticated and enjoyable parts of music very quickly whilst learning the basics through the rote learning method. They will still have to go to lessons and push through the rote exercises but they can also experiment with the Rhythms/Auto-Accompaniment/styles/voices/songs and by doing so learn by inference.

So if that is the case (it would be great to get some feed back on this assumption) the then:-
1. I have to buy a DP not AP (we do not have the room/money to get both)
2. I need a DP that has extensive rhythms/Auto-Accompaniment/styles/voices/songs functionality which rules out the Yamaha CLP range. (after looking at them yesterday I do wonder why they have that range at all?)
3. My budget (less than 2k) rules out the yamaha CVP options,(which are fantastic)
4. The AP620 seems to fit those requirements at a great price.

I see the AP 620 as a two year option, after which upgrade to DP or AP that suites their skill level and preference.

The only risk I see is that we find that the difference between the AP620 and a acoustic is so great that they can not learn properly now, and it seems from reading this forum and all the advice that I have had that this is a relatively low risk for the first couple of years.

Thanks for all your help, this is a awesome forum !!!!!!!!!!!!

So you decided against the CLP430? Damn. Haha.



CLP is the classical range and CVP is the versatile range. CLP is for if you just want a simple DP with good grand piano sound w/o paying $3-5000 or more.

Yes recognize that I am expressing my lack of experience in that statement. I have no grand piano experience, only played a average upright acoustic. Yesterday I played a upright acoustic and the CLP430 side by side and preferred the acoustic (with out headphones which is a little unfair). I also, for fun, tried the CVP 505 and was blown away, it was fantastic (I suspect that the speakers contributed a lot to the great sound)

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Do have to agree with this, no doubt!