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#1890185 - 05/02/12 10:30 PM Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ?
ozzienovice Offline
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One dealer has told me that the CA-63 is being replaced by CA-65 this month. Another says he knows nothing about it.
Have anyone heard about the new model?

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#1890211 - 05/02/12 11:11 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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A google search shows that your post is the only online mention of the CA-65.

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#1890319 - 05/03/12 06:47 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
A google search shows that your post is the only online mention of the CA-65.


I tried doing that as well, nothing else turned up.

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#1890340 - 05/03/12 07:39 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: Vectistim]
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It would make sense, in this Sloooow Mooooving World of DP's, an announcement at NAMM seems reasonable instead of a summertime splash. Are sales of the CA63/CA93 sagging? I doubt it.

But, here are features I would like to see ...

- No dangling cords (63) but runways on the back for both
- Ability to export all your Custom Settings to a USB Drive
- A Third Sensor
- Sensors replaced with Optical or Infrared
- A "Real" Action based on their ABS Design and Technician Adjustable
- 256 Polyphony or Why not 512 and get done with it?
- Virtual Technician - Whole Keyboard and Note by Note
- Better Music Stand
- Real Spruce-Plank Soundboard not vinyl/plywood
- Low Range and Mid Range Soundboard Transducers
- 100x2 instead of 50x2 Amps (93)
- Low, Mid and High Range Amp section
- Lcd Contrast Control and Cheekblock Led's Lcd On/Off
- Transducer under Keyboard
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#1890362 - 05/03/12 08:56 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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Good suggestions, McBuster, although I think if they did them all the price of a CA95 would be at least $1k more than the CA93 (probably more). Still, I'd buy one of if it had all that gear!

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#1890759 - 05/03/12 10:16 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: McBuster]
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Originally Posted By: McBuster
It would make sense, in this Sloooow Mooooving World of DP's, an announcement at NAMM seems reasonable instead of a summertime splash. Are sales of the CA63/CA93 sagging? I doubt it.

But, here are features I would like to see ...

- No dangling cords (63) but runways on the back for both
- Ability to export all your Custom Settings to a USB Drive
- A Third Sensor
- Sensors replaced with Optical or Infrared
- A "Real" Action based on their ABS Design and Technician Adjustable
- 256 Polyphony or Why not 512 and get done with it?
- Virtual Technician - Whole Keyboard and Note by Note
- Better Music Stand
- Real Spruce-Plank Soundboard not vinyl/plywood
- Low Range and Mid Range Soundboard Transducers
- 100x2 instead of 50x2 Amps (93)
- Low, Mid and High Range Amp section
- Lcd Contrast Control and Cheekblock Led's Lcd On/Off
- Transducer under Keyboard







192 Polyphony is more than enough for even two voices combined, however 256 would be ideal for any newer model DP. 512 would be only needed if you wanted to combine 4 voices on a DP and not have to worry about note drop-offs.
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#1890767 - 05/03/12 10:24 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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For me, the Kawai deal breaker is the lack of triple sensor...I loved my CA-X (AWA-PRO I), but got rid of it simply because the action was sluggish, and trills were even harder due to the double sensor. I loved the solid feel of the all wood keys, simply like no other :P If Kawai releases a new action with a triple sensor, I'll very likely be making the change from Roland to Kawai (since I use my keyboard mainly as a controller, it's all about the action).
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#1890774 - 05/03/12 10:31 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: McBuster]
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Originally Posted By: McBuster
- A "Real" Action based on their ABS Design and Technician Adjustable


This is an interesting idea, but surely more appropriate for a hybrid piano than a digital piano?

Kawai experimented with hybrid pianos in the late 90's with the HA11.

Cheers,
James
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#1890826 - 05/04/12 01:39 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: Kawai James]
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Everyone seems happy with the piano sounds then? No SUPHI sound engine?

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#1890931 - 05/04/12 08:27 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: McBuster
- A "Real" Action based on their ABS Design and Technician Adjustable

This is an interesting idea, but surely more appropriate for a hybrid piano than a digital piano?


I was thinking something half way, a hybrid between what we have in RM3 and the Kawai Grands Millenium. Where the Notch/LetOff was mechanical. The Action technician adjustable. Where note repetition was improved. But the Sensors and Digital portion remain.
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#1890952 - 05/04/12 09:05 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: McBuster]
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Originally Posted By: McBuster
But, here are features I would like to see ...
- A Third Sensor

Agreed, and perhaps a somewhat lighter feeling action?

Originally Posted By: vegasE
Everyone seems happy with the piano sounds then?

Not me, they (and Yamaha, Korg, etc.) seriously need to get rid of the looping.
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#1890963 - 05/04/12 09:21 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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A must for any new make / model across the board: "An improved external sound system."

I think every manufacturer has to look really hard at that. They have all come a long way in regards to touch and feel, but for some reason the DP's lack in this area. At least get the sound quality to match that of using a good pair of headphones (ie as in CD quality sound). Positioning the speakers to a more piano realistic effect would be helpful too.

I can't see any reason why we can get really good sound out of a mid grade computer with a set of desk speakers, but when it comes to DP's the manufacturer's haven't done that.
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#1893627 - 05/08/12 05:01 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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Originally Posted By: ozzienovice
One dealer has told me that the CA-63 is being replaced by CA-65 this month. Another says he knows nothing about it.
Have anyone heard about the new model?


All I read was this, about new RP- models and an F-120:

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2012/05/02/roland-ships-new-digital-pinaos/

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#1894061 - 05/09/12 10:17 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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Yes, there is a CA-65 coming soon!

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#1894084 - 05/09/12 11:00 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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Oh ...

Really?

Inquiring Minds Want To Know ...
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#1894104 - 05/09/12 11:35 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
manf Offline
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In Europe, the new CA63 is coming in september.
I would not know when it will arrive in the States though...

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#1894114 - 05/09/12 11:52 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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I know this will sound stupid and impossible but it's just a dream of mine smile Why not Kawai cooperates with Modartt and put a simple Intel Atom CPU and whatever else is needed for running a very simple Linux and Pianoteq smile This will add about 150-200 Euro for the additional hardware and Pianoteq license but will open endless possibilities for tweaking the sound and the modeled part can be used alone or mixed with the sampled part, the Pianoteq sound can be upgraded. All this would certainly put V-Piano and SN under pressure smile

I had a dream... smile
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#1894120 - 05/09/12 12:03 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: CyberGene]
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Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I know this will sound stupid and impossible but it's just a dream of mine smile Why not Kawai cooperates with Modartt and put a simple Intel Atom CPU and whatever else is needed for running a very simple Linux and Pianoteq smile This will add about 150-200 Euro for the additional hardware and Pianoteq license but will open endless possibilities for tweaking the sound and the modeled part can be used alone or mixed with the sampled part, the Pianoteq sound can be upgraded. All this would certainly put V-Piano and SN under pressure smile

I had a dream... smile


It is interesting that you should suggest this. I layer Pianoteq and my CA63 and get what I consider endless options and great sounds.
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#1894125 - 05/09/12 12:10 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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There seems to be an unwritten law that digital pianos (stage and stationary) should be based on 10 year old DSP/CPU and sample technology, with the V-Piano as one exception when it first was introduced in 2009. Even with very expensive top-of-the-line instruments like AvantGrand unnecessary comprimises are made (and obvious faults introduced) to save some money here and there.
Not to sound all gloomy, but there is a lot of truth to this unfortunately..

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#1894134 - 05/09/12 12:30 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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I've recently researched for building my own nettop PC. A motherboard with a built-in Atom CPU costs about 50 Euro and that's the end user price. Add to this the cheapest USB flash drive to install some trimmed Linux distro and buy Pianoteq Play for 99 Euro and you have a system ready to play Pianoteq for a total of about 150 Euro.

Yes, I know I can use a netbook and connect it externally, but a manufacturer integrated solution will be easier to use since it will switch on with the Power ON button and can be controlled via the piano buttons and display.
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#1894293 - 05/09/12 05:06 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: CyberGene]
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Originally Posted By: CyberGene
I've recently researched for building my own nettop PC. A motherboard with a built-in Atom CPU costs about 50 Euro and that's the end user price. Add to this the cheapest USB flash drive to install some trimmed Linux distro and buy Pianoteq Play for 99 Euro and you have a system ready to play Pianoteq for a total of about 150 Euro.


There's a reason why Atom is so cheap and why very few companies build products around them. They're no better than P3 computers from the year 2000. Do not go that route.

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#1903548 - 05/26/12 04:20 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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Hi folks, I'm new in these forums and a complete DP-newbie. I just googled ca65 and this was the only thing that showed up!

The thing is: I had just about decided about purchasing a ca63, after reading so many raving reviews (and for my needs I don't need the ca93 or the more flashy CS6). But then my local dealer told me that kawai is discontinuing ca63, and he recommended that I should wait till "the fall" when ca65 would replace it. According to him it would be "both better and cheaper".

Question: do you think it's a good idea to wait? Is there any chance the ca65 will be significantly better? I don't know the track record of kawai - but I know from experience with other kinds of technology that new models not always represent improvements. Take ereaders from Sony, for example (I'm a devotee): the discontinued prs 950 model was simply superb, while the replacement prs t1 which was supposed be "better and cheaper" had lots of bugs initially, and simply a lesser model (with some new features, though).

Since so many people are SO happy with the ca63 it feels tempting to go for that one and not wait for the new model. But Kawai might have a history of consistently improving their models, perhaps?

I'll be glad for any opinions and advice!
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#1903638 - 05/26/12 08:12 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: oivavoi]
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Re last post about replacement for CA63, a local dealer told me yesterday that the CA65 will be announced in Australia in June. He also states that is why the CS6 is on special offer in Australia, as there is no CA63 stock and they want to move the CS6 before new model arrives.
Personally, I am waiting to see the CA65 before I make my mind up.

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#1903640 - 05/26/12 08:17 PM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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oivavoi, Kawai does indeed have a history of consistently improving models - I certainly cannot recall a newer instrument being released with a lower specification.

Unfortunately, however, I'm afraid I cannot comment on Kawai instruments that have yet to be publicly announced - regardless of what dealers may be informing customers.

Just out of curiosity, given your reference to "the fall", am I correct in thinking that you're based in the US?

Kind regards,
James
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#1903800 - 05/27/12 07:31 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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Thanks for your replies!
Kawai James: Nope, I live in Norway. I guess my English has become Americanized by watching too many Hollywood movies;)
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#1903808 - 05/27/12 08:00 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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[offtopic]
Come on, scandinavian movies are way better than Hollywood cr*p smile
[/offtopic]

I don't believe a replacement for CA63 will come so soon. It has the latest keyboard action and the latest piano sound. As I wild guess I would say: Musikmesse 2013 wink


Edited by CyberGene (05/27/12 08:01 AM)
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#1903816 - 05/27/12 08:45 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: oivavoi]
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Originally Posted By: oivavoi
Nope, I live in Norway. I guess my English has become Americanized by watching too many Hollywood movies;)

It's really a shame that in Italy the movies are dubbed.
Watching movies and cartoons in english is the best way to learn the language, since you're a kid. mad
END OFF TOPIC !


Edited by Qbert (05/27/12 08:46 AM)
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#1903856 - 05/27/12 10:48 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: Kawai James]
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James

What month and year were the CA63 and CA93 officially unveiled to The World?
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#1903858 - 05/27/12 10:56 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: McBuster]
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Originally Posted By: McBuster
James

What month and year were the CA63 and CA93 officially unveiled to The World?


I think it was some time in 2009. That's when I first noticed them at a Kawai dealer I visit sometimes. That was late in 2009.

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#1903861 - 05/27/12 11:04 AM Re: Kawai new model imminent - CA-65 replacing CA-63 ? [Re: ozzienovice]
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The CA93/CA63 were officially announced by Kawai Japan on the 16/9/2009:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/press/2009/0916.asp

Cheers,
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