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#1904724 - 05/28/12 11:18 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
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My single internal drive is working ok for me too, and I also have a pretty ordinary laptop by today's standards, and I'm using a different product (East West QL Pianos) which is, I think, more demanding of the disk. Having said that, I'm no Rachmaninoff, and I know how to configure my computer. Also, my disk is a 7200rpm drive - not 5400.

One thing you could do is to spend 5 bucks on an 8GB USB FLASH drive, and try putting the samples on that. I think that should work pretty well, even though it's only USB 2.0. (I have seen reports from others that are doing this, but I can't remember what piano software they were using - I think it was either Synthogy Ivory and/or Galaxy/Vintage D) If that still doesn't work very well, your problem may not be related to the disk.

Other general things to look at:
- Make sure your processor is locked at the maximum frequency.
- Disable your network interface and close down other programs that you don't need while playing the piano
- Try to ensure that background housekeeping tasks are not running. (e.g disk defragging).

I don't use a Mac so I can't be very specific.

Greg.


Edited by sullivang (05/28/12 11:37 PM)

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#1904795 - 05/29/12 02:04 AM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
No need to get snitty. A single internal drive will certainly work. It works just fine on my six-year-old POS laptop.

I wasn't trying to be "snitty". I was the only one here that bothered to look up the Vintage D manufacturer's recommendations for him. According to the Vintage D manufacturer the external drive he bought meets the minimum requirements, so it might work. Unless he proposes to return it, why not just try it?

Instead, what he proposed to do, and what you told him to do above, does not meet the manufacturers requirements. You aren't using a Mac, so how do you know that Vintage D is going to work while he is running and recording his performance in Garageband at the same time off the same system disc? Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but that's precisely the kind of thing (amongst other things) that I'll bet the manufacturer was concerned about. What else does he have running off the system disc at the same time? We don't know, but the manufacturer realizes (and I realize) that could cause problems too. And just because something might work the first time he tries it is no guarantee it will keep working as he makes future changes or additional demands on the system.

As someone that has designed, manufactured, sold, and supported my own products, I've seen customers that refuse to follow the minimum requirements for using a product. It may work at first and then later fail when something in the system is changed.

Another way to meet all the Vintage D manufacturer's requirements (and meet the requirements of manufacturer's that recommend against USB 2 drives) without replacing the Macbook he has (which has no firewire interface), would be to replace the optical drive with a 7200 rpm drive (or an SSD), and use an external USB Superdrive when he really needed it ($79 from Apple). He has already suggested he might replace the 5400 rpm drive with a new 7200 rpm drive, so why not replace the optical drive instead and now have 2 drives as recommended by ALL manufacturers (that I have seen). The next Macbook Pro's won't have an internal optical drive anyway (according to most reports). Of course, he could also consider replacing the old Macbook with a Macbook Pro (which would have Firewire 800) when prices drop soon ahead of new models, or consider one of the new Macbook Pro's when they arrive. He might appreciate the additional CPU horsepower for the other tasks he mentioned.


Edited by Macy (05/29/12 02:07 AM)
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#1904861 - 05/29/12 06:35 AM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
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Can a disk drive fit into a DVD-drive slot?

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#1904886 - 05/29/12 07:45 AM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Thanks for your logical response MacMacMac. I was simply trying to explain to Macy that the speed of the External 7200 RPM Drive will not be of any benefit now to the Sample Library due to the drop down speed of the USB2 BUS. Therefor installing the Library on the internal 5400 RPM Drive will be more efficient in speed times then going with the 7200 RPM under USB2.

Quote:
Then, if storage is in short supply on his computer and he's forced to replace it with a larger drive, he'll almost certainly buy a 7200 RPM unit anyway. And that, too, will work.

Exactly.


Edited by musicmad (05/29/12 08:01 AM)
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#1904899 - 05/29/12 07:59 AM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
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My single internal drive is working ok for me too, and I also have a pretty ordinary laptop by today's standards, and I'm using a different product (East West QL Pianos) which is, I think, more demanding. Also, my disk is a 7200rpm drive - not 5400.


Thats because a 7200 RPM is a "Performance Drive" it can take the weight


Edited by musicmad (05/29/12 09:57 AM)
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#1904909 - 05/29/12 08:28 AM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
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According to the Vintage D manufacturer the external drive he bought meets the minimum requirements, so it might work.

No it won't. The 7200 RPM Drive will spin off the samples at 7200 Rotations Per Minute, but once hitting the USB2 BUS it will be like a slow walk across the park until it gets from the 7200 RPM Drive to the Mac, whereas using the internal 5400 RPM Drive will avoid this problem.
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#1905077 - 05/29/12 02:34 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Can a disk drive fit into a DVD-drive slot?
Yes, it's done all the time on Macs for situations like this. Its simple and inexpensive to add a 2nd 2.5" 7200 rpm SATA drive, or you could add an SSD that way.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DDAMBS0GB/
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#1905080 - 05/29/12 02:39 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
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Wow! $65
For that much money, you could simply replace the internal drive with a bigger one.

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#1905083 - 05/29/12 02:44 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
Macy Offline
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Originally Posted By: musicmad
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According to the Vintage D manufacturer the external drive he bought meets the minimum requirements, so it might work.

No it won't.

Do you have reading comprehension problem or do you simply think you know more about Vintage D than people that designed it?

From the Vintage D page on the Galaxy Instruments website:

We recommend to install the Galaxy II library not on the same drive as the system, nor on the same drive that is used for recording or playing digital audio tracks. Plus the drive for the library should be a fast harddrive (at least 7200 rpm), either internal or with a fast external interface (recommended Firewire 800, minimum USB 2.0 or Firewire 400).

Originally Posted By: musicmad
The 7200 RPM Drive will spin off the samples at 7200 Rotations Per Minute, but once hitting the USB2 BUS it will be like a slow walk across the park until it gets from the 7200 RPM Drive to the Mac, whereas using the internal 5400 RPM Drive will avoid this problem.

There is more to this drive issue than the maximum sustained throughput of the interface. That is only one aspect of the problem.
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#1905150 - 05/29/12 04:47 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
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You were speaking to musicmad, but I'll put in an opinion ...

I would PREFER not to use a USB-connected drive. Yet people have had success with USB that.

I don't see anything in the Vintage D recommendation that says it won't work. So how do you go from ...
(a) "we recommend that it not be on the same drive as the system"
and
(b) "minimum USB 2.0" ...
... to "it won't work" and "do you have reading comprehension problem"?

My reading comprehension says that the requirements have been met!

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#1905206 - 05/29/12 06:30 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Thanks for your support MacMacMac.

After much thought I've decided to replace the 5400 RPM Drive for a 7200 RPM 500GB Drive.
Hope this way to gain better performance all round.

"It's all about speed"


Edited by musicmad (05/29/12 06:33 PM)
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#1905264 - 05/29/12 09:03 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: MacMacMac]
Macy Offline
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
You were speaking to musicmad, but I'll put in an opinion ...

I would PREFER not to use a USB-connected drive. Yet people have had success with USB that.

I don't see anything in the Vintage D recommendation that says it won't work. So how do you go from ...
(a) "we recommend that it not be on the same drive as the system"
and
(b) "minimum USB 2.0" ...
... to "it won't work" and "do you have reading comprehension problem"?

My reading comprehension says that the requirements have been met!

YES THAT IS WHAT I SAID. I SAID USB 2.0 meets the minimum requirements of Vintage D, so he should try the USB 2.0 drive if he doesn't plan to return it. That's what I SAID. Then musicmad quoted what I said and replied that it wouldn't work because its USB!

So you agree with me, but you are supporting what he said that disagrees with you and me, and arguing with me???? Are you sure your reading comprehension is working? smile
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#1905275 - 05/29/12 09:24 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
sullivang Offline
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Just btw, the reason I suggested musicmad try the USB FLASH drive is that I was of the understanding that he had already tried the external 7200rpm drive:
Quote:
Your probably right. I purchased the WD 7200rpm External Drive for speed purposes, which has now been defeated by the slow BUS of the USB 2.0.
Musicmad: if you haven't tried it, I second Macy's suggestion.

Greg.

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#1905302 - 05/29/12 10:43 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: musicmad]
sullivang Offline
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(and for that matter, I also second MacMacMac's early suggestion of simply trying the existing internal 5400rpm drive). FWIW.

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#1905708 - 05/30/12 06:45 PM Re: Western Digital HD For Music ??? [Re: sullivang]
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It's nice to have a forum where community users help to support each other.

Thanks to Macy and everyone else for your support.


Musicmad.
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