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#190616 - 08/25/06 01:34 AM Well I'll be...
Derick II Offline
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For those of you who thought I was a loon for waxing my piano, look at what's for sale on PW:
Piano Wax

They even have a wax to take out fine scratches. Ha! So rather than waiting 5 years for a professional to buff out your piano - don't have it done more often than that as you'll wear the finish right off of it - you can actually take out those tiny scratches yourself. I'm stunned! What will they think of next?

Derick
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#190617 - 08/25/06 11:53 AM Re: Well I'll be...
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Derick,I don't see the word Wax in that ad. I see polish. I think that may be a big differance. Also it says nothing about Poly. It refers to High Gloss Lacquer.Not Poly. I think that's what your piano is. You should never put wax on Poly. There are many good polishes though.

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#190618 - 08/25/06 12:09 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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Zaino.
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#190619 - 08/25/06 12:42 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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 Quote:
Originally posted by VGrantano:
Derick,I don't see the word Wax in that ad. I see polish. I think that may be a big differance. Also it says nothing about Poly. It refers to High Gloss Lacquer.Not Poly. I think that's what your piano is. You should never put wax on Poly. There are many good polishes though. [/b]
The terms "wax" and "polish" are used interchangably. Most of "waxes", targeted for the masses, contain a polishing element. Believe me, I know the difference. I have a shelf loaded with products that are exclusively wax, products that are exclusively polish and products that are both.

The ad says to use one of these products to "preserve and protect" your finish - a wax will do that, a polish won't. The ad also says to use the same product to take out tiny scratches - a polish will do that, but a wax will not.

Therefore, this is one of those wax/polish combo products. Very similar to Meguiars tech wax.

No one should ever use a product that is exclusively a "polish" on their piano. Why would you want to wear down the finish? Please explain why polish is ok but wax isn't.

I don't know of many high-gloss lacquer pianos. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. The only high-gloss pianos I know of currently in production are poly.

Derick
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#190620 - 08/25/06 03:02 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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Every refinisher and factory finish people I have ever met,told me never use wax on poly.I myself am not an expert. I cannot tell you why it's bad, but I trust the folks that told me. If your comfortable useing, so be it.
And there are polishes that do not have abrasives
in it that are safe to use.

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#190621 - 08/25/06 03:11 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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And be sure never to use a product with silicone in it, which can be absorbed into the wood and cause problems when refinishing later.

A few drops of simple soap in water and a lint-free cloth can do a great job.

--Cy--
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#190622 - 08/25/06 03:44 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Cy Shuster:
And be sure never to use a product with silicone in it[/b]
Well, I find that silicone-based products help when I knock over my wine glass perched on the music desk.
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#190623 - 08/25/06 05:18 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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When my piano needs a little "sprucing up", good old Armor-all does the trick. And for those little squeaks and rattles, WD-40.

Derick
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#190624 - 08/25/06 05:21 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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Automotive grease on the strings also stops the corrosion from those pesky fingerprits that members sometimes complain of.

:-)

A
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#190625 - 08/25/06 05:46 PM Re: Well I'll be...
ftp Offline
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Loc: Philadelphia
AJB-- try Porcelana for those age spots on the strings.

Also, Oil of Olay works wonders in eliminating the fine lines in my soundboard.

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#190626 - 08/25/06 06:23 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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Loc: Portland, Oregon
....and one must not forget "Udder Balm",,,,,,it does wonders for the undercarriage. ;\)

GP

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#190627 - 08/25/06 08:46 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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And don't forget my earlier suggestion (when you you run out of elbow grease for polishing): touchless dusting.
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#190628 - 08/26/06 11:41 AM Re: Well I'll be...
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Just to clear something up. I don't use bee's wax or paraffin wax on the piano. The "waxes" I use(d) are/have been synthetic. They do not contain silicone. Moreover, I "wax" the piano once a year - maybe. The music stand gets a little more waxing as I *sometimes* need to read sheet music can leave tiny scratches. I've waxed all my pianos. There is no film left on the piano.

If it has to be refinished, and this creates a problem, well, that's for the refinisher to deal with.

If the Fender product is *ONLY* for high-gloss lacquer, they should make it very clear that it is NOT to be used on high-gloss poly. Most people don't even know what kind of finish they have on their piano.

Derick
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#190629 - 08/26/06 01:09 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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Registered: 03/28/06
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OK.. The Fender product has several different components, and I have used one of them on high gloss POLY with great success ( a process actually -- more than one product). The process left the finish as smooth as glass (literally!) and devoid of scratches, etc. It seemed to actually fill in those small annoying scratches that cannot be avoided. It's actually made for Fender by Maguire's == yes, of the car polish fame. Works wonders on cars, and works wonders on pianos.

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#190630 - 08/26/06 03:56 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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Considering how thick poly finishes tend to be, wearing through them through polishing, would be damn near impossible.

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By Gryphon:

Well, I find that silicone-based products help when I knock over my wine glass perched on the music desk.
What the hell's the matter with you, didn't you see the cup holders in the plate. sheeeesh, some people...

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#190631 - 08/26/06 07:42 PM Re: Well I'll be...
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Registered: 07/30/06
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Loc: Washington, D.C.
the cup holders are just below the GPS unit, slightly above the music desk, but to the right of the 6 CD changer...
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#190632 - 09/01/06 04:04 AM Re: Well I'll be...
Grandpianoman Offline
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Loc: Portland, Oregon
MR.U, I need to become a "Piano Poligamist"....would love to have a Hamburg Steinway equiped with a new solenoid system, along with my 1925 M&H RBB! ;\) \:\) \:D

GP

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#190633 - 09/01/06 07:05 AM Re: Well I'll be...
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 3198
Loc: Canton, MI
 Quote:
Originally posted by gryphon:
Zaino. [/b]
GReat wax system...ZAINO
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