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#1908009 - 06/04/12 06:53 AM The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World
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She may not e my cup of tea, but Lisitsa deserves better than this title!!
In preparation of her upcoming concert at the Royal Albert Hall, some brilliant critic, or is it her new recordl label, Decca, came up with this insulting descriptive. Sad really.


Article in Telegraph



One of the internet's great musical sensations, Kiev-born virtuoso pianist Valentina Lisitsa, is about to break into the big time with a major record deal and a concert at the Royal Albert Hall.

Predictably marketed as 'The Justin Bieber of the classical world', the talented 39-year-old has been a star on YouTube, with various online performances of Beethoven, Rachmaninoff and Schubert attracting more than 44 million views in total.

Lisitsa, who trained at the Kiev Conservatory, said: “I could not have done this without all my online fans around the world. Their reactions tell me every day that I am doing the right thing and that’s the best reward for my hard work. Now I want to say thank you and give them a great concert live and online.”

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#1908018 - 06/04/12 07:10 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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Lisitsa will be the third classical pianist Decca has signed on in the past year - Benjamin Grosvenor, British ex-prodigy, is already something of a star (and reappearing in the BBC Proms this year), while Behzod Abduraimov has also stirred headlines. Their repertoire complement each other to some extent: Grosvenor likes to take on quirky stuff like Cziffra transcriptions as well as Chopin Scherzi and Ravel's Gaspard, while Abduraimov is mersed in heavyweight Russian repertoire like Prokofiev Sonatas.

And Lisitsa? Maybe Decca will issue her Rachmaninoff Concertos. She's already partnered Hilary Hahn in Ives's Violin Sonatas, so how about the Concord Sonata from her?

I think more pianists who first became known on YouTube will be getting recording contracts: HJ Lim was one, having recorded all the Beethoven Sonatas for EMI already. At least they already have a following (and therefore guaranteed CD/download sales)......
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#1908055 - 06/04/12 08:24 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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When I saw the title I thought of Lang Lang...
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#1908121 - 06/04/12 10:29 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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Let's find that critic and shoot him.
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#1908127 - 06/04/12 10:33 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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i actually like justin bieber well enough but i'm at a loss with the comparison.
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#1908141 - 06/04/12 10:59 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Entheo]
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She should shoot her publicist. Even my 11 year thinks Justin Bieber is "pathetic".
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#1908145 - 06/04/12 11:05 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Entheo]
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Originally Posted By: Entheo
...but I'm at a loss with the comparison.

Silly, really...

And also at a loss why it's so fashionable to dump on Justin Bieber.
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#1908147 - 06/04/12 11:10 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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The comparison is that each gained quite a bit of fame through Youtube.

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#1908150 - 06/04/12 11:17 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
The comparison is that each gained quite a bit of fame through Youtube.


if that's the criteria then they should have compared her to the keyboard cat (24 million views):

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#1908384 - 06/04/12 06:14 PM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
The comparison is that each gained quite a bit of fame through Youtube.


Exactly. Calm down, everybody.

The mere mention of a pop star shouldn't get all of you in such a fuss, particularly when the comparison is spot-on: they both got famous after being discovered through their own postings on YouTube. I'm surprised at the knee-jerk reaction here-this is why the rest of the world see us as elitist snobs.

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#1908427 - 06/04/12 07:53 PM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Verbum mirabilis]
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Originally Posted By: Verbum mirabilis
When I saw the title I thought of Lang Lang...


I thought the same. I'm not a fan of hers, but that is really an insulting comparison. She deserves much better.
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#1908469 - 06/04/12 09:23 PM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: CleverName]
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Originally Posted By: CleverName
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
The comparison is that each gained quite a bit of fame through Youtube.


Exactly. Calm down, everybody.

The mere mention of a pop star shouldn't get all of you in such a fuss, particularly when the comparison is spot-on: they both got famous after being discovered through their own postings on YouTube. I'm surprised at the knee-jerk reaction here-this is why the rest of the world see us as elitist snobs.

+1.

I'm no fan of many types of music, including pop. But everyone's entitled to enjoy whatever gets them through the day.

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#1908553 - 06/05/12 01:10 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: CleverName]
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Originally Posted By: CleverName
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
The comparison is that each gained quite a bit of fame through Youtube.
Exactly. Calm down, everybody.
The mere mention of a pop star shouldn't get all of you in such a fuss, particularly when the comparison is spot-on: they both got famous after being discovered through their own postings on YouTube. I'm surprised at the knee-jerk reaction here-this is why the rest of the world see us as elitist snobs.
I don't think everyone got "in such a fuss" did they? Some didn't like the comparison, for various reasons. Others didn't seem to care. Like another poster, I didn't get the point of the comparison, because I didn't even know that either Bieber or Lisitsa gained their fame through Youtube. The mere mention of a pop star doesn't affect me one way or the other. I don't think I've actually ever heard Bieber, but that doesn't make me an elitist snob does it?
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#1908566 - 06/05/12 02:02 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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Justin Blabber vs. Bang Bang

Who wins?

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#1908577 - 06/05/12 02:46 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: scherzojoe
Justin Blabber vs. Bang Bang

Who wins?


Bang Bang wins. He doesn't use autotune. But as far as making faces goes I thing he's got Justine beat hands down ha
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#1908597 - 06/05/12 04:04 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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Sorry, but THIS is the Justin Beiber of the classical music world, and as you can see, he has had the label for a while now...

http://thestar.blogs.com/soundmind/2010/07/teenage-canadian-pianist-jan-lisiecki.html

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#1908751 - 06/05/12 11:11 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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Part of the Bieber phenomonon has been is youth. They are many grandmothers in this world the same age (or younger) as the 39 yr old Lisitsa.
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#1908772 - 06/05/12 11:31 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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come to think of it, the comparison might be accurate for reasons other than the youtube thing as well -- both seem very grounded and accessible to their fans, both are very talented in their respective ways, and both have risen to prominence thru grassroots campaigns.
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#1908835 - 06/05/12 01:53 PM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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I have a confession to make. I am secretly Justin Bieber.

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#1908907 - 06/05/12 04:11 PM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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The reference to Bieber didn't bother me in the least and I understood the comparison they were trying to make. I have an extraordinary amount of respect and admiration for Ms. Lisitsa. What she has accomplished on her own is amazing, and from what I've read on this forum by those who have met here, she is a warm, generous and authentic human being.
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#1909188 - 06/06/12 04:48 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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Why the Royal Albert Hall? That's kind of a strange venue for a solo recital, isn't it? I checked their concert listings for the last quarter of this year, and there are no classical solo recitals. Other than being the home of the Proms during the summer, it seems to be the place for a lot of pop acts and a scattering of large-scale classical "blockbusters".

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#1909196 - 06/06/12 05:30 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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The RAH has been used for solo piano concerts in the BBC Proms in the past: Kissin was the first, then Andras Schiff, Lang Lang and Maria Joao Pires.
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#1909199 - 06/06/12 05:48 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
The RAH has been used for solo piano concerts in the BBC Proms in the past: Kissin was the first, then Andras Schiff, Lang Lang and Maria Joao Pires.


And I assume those concerts were there because the RAH is the primary venue of the Proms. But that doesn't do much to explain why the Lisitsa recital is there, since it is not part of the Proms. And outside of the Proms, the RAH doesn't seem to be primarily a classical venue.

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#1909201 - 06/06/12 05:53 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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It's not primarily a classical venue. It does everything. Including classical.
It would be more usual to have a solo piano recital in Wigmore Hall or the Barbican, but someone like Lisitsa will sell very large numbers of tickets so it makes more sense to have it in a 6000 seat venue.

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#1909204 - 06/06/12 06:09 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
It's not primarily a classical venue. It does everything. Including classical.
It would be more usual to have a solo piano recital in Wigmore Hall or the Barbican, but someone like Lisitsa will sell very large numbers of tickets so it makes more sense to have it in a 6000 seat venue.


AFAIK, she has never sold "very large numbers of tickets" at any time in the past, so it is interesting how that expectation for this one date arises suddenly, out of nowhere. One can only assume the PR machine is working overtime...

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#1909205 - 06/06/12 06:14 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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It all depends on the popularity of the pianist. Lisitsa apparently has a huge following on YouTube so the promoter expects a huge demand for tickets.

I go to concerts at the South Bank regularly (a venue south of the River Thames in London), and there's a hierarchy there: popular pianists only play in the Royal Festival Hall (4000 seats), including Kissin, Pollini, Zimerman, Uchida, Hewitt. Less known pianists play in the Queen Elizabeth Hall - they may get promoted eventually to the RFH, but most never make it there. Amoung the pianists who have played in the QEH in the past year or who are reappearing are Yuja Wang, Yulianna Avdeeva, Alice Sara Ott (being promoted to RFH this year), Steven Osborne...
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#1909208 - 06/06/12 06:29 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
It all depends on the popularity of the pianist. Lisitsa apparently has a huge following on YouTube so the promoter expects a huge demand for tickets.

I go to concerts at the South Bank regularly (a venue south of the River Thames in London), and there's a hierarchy there: popular pianists only play in the Royal Festival Hall (4000 seats), including Kissin, Pollini, Zimerman, Uchida, Hewitt. Less known pianists play in the Queen Elizabeth Hall - they may get promoted eventually to the RFH, but most never make it there. Amoung the pianists who have played in the QEH in the past year or who are reappearing are Yuja Wang, Yulianna Avdeeva, Alice Sara Ott (being promoted to RFH this year), Steven Osborne...



Wow ! So you are saying that she is at a venue selected (and paid for) by promoters who expect that she will outsell the likes of Pollini and Uchida etc.. Interesting. She has mostly played for free or for nominally priced tickets so far. That strategy has helped her get wide exposure. It will be interesting to see if internet fans will come out in droves. My impression is that her ubiquitousness on the web may backfire when it comes to ticket-paying public. (Serious Internet dwellers are not high paying customers usually).
But I am not raining on her parade. I really hope she is successful. She is clearly a very hard working pianist. I am only commenting on her approach, which is novel and untested. So it is interesting to see how things will play out.

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#1909213 - 06/06/12 06:40 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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I bought my ticket today. You can see on the albert hall website how many seats have been sold so far. Id say maybe 2/3 to 3/4. And there's still two weeks to go.
There's no doubt in my mind that Lisitsa can sell out a venue like the albert hall. There are people coming from the other side of the world just for this one concert. She's said in interviews that these days there are always large numbers of her internet fans at her concerts. I don't know where you get the idea that internet dwellers are not high paying customers. I'd say 90% of the stuff I pay for has been as a direct result of internet exposure.


Edited by debrucey (06/06/12 06:45 AM)

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#1909216 - 06/06/12 06:51 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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I have tickets but sadly will be out of town for work. When I bought the tickets several months back, the main sections were already about half sold out... I would imagine that she's managed to fill it substantially, though I think it's probably not nearly sold out.
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#1909217 - 06/06/12 06:53 AM Re: The Justin Bieber of the Classical Music World [Re: Andromaque]
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Wish I'd known that, I'd have bought them off you :P

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