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Congrats on completing the first lesson Simou. be sure to do the hanons at a very confortable tempo, it will help you sync with the metronome really well. That has to be the coolest metronome ever btw.
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Wonderful Flavor Simou:
You captured a lyrical essence and released it into the ...
Well, I agree with Knotty. Your metronome and keyboard style gave it some Gamelan. I love the Java G and it loves me.
And the ending flourish? I can't wait to hear what you put into your improvs.
Every disease is a musical problem. Its cure, a musical solution. -- Novalis
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Hi Simou I liked your inner line in the Simou version. I like your met too, I already own two, and now I want yours !
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Good going Simou! (Knotty, sorry I'm tied up entertaining guests from the US. Will get to answer your question soon).
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OK, I finally got rid of my guests. Knotty, I don't have Beautiful love in any of my books, so would be grateful if you could tell me the changes. Next, I'm learning lesson 38, My art belongs to Abby. These 10ths in the left hand - what to do? I can manage the first (and 3rd) lines fine by playing the left hand top note with the right thumb. This is not possible for the 2nd and 4th lines (though, now I look again, I could do it for all but the initial bars). Anyway, for lines 2 and 4 I can either (1) revoice the chords, bringing the root G up to the middle of the chord (easy) or (2) stagger them. I did one, then the other, here: https://www.box.com/s/1fd90d2a90556fffc3daStaggering is probably the best option but I think it sounds strange to start with 'fully justified chords' and then have a line of staggered chords, then swap again and again. Maybe I should stagger the whole lot just to be consistent? I'm open to opinions.
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Here's what I play on beautiful love E-7b5 | A7 | D-6 | D-6 G-7 | C7 | Fmaj7 | A7 D-6 | G-7 | Bb7 | A7 D-6 | G7 | E-7b5 | A7
E-7b5 | A7 | D-6 | D-6 G-7 | C7 | Fmaj7 | A7 D-6 | G-7 | Bb7 | A7 D-6 | Bb7 A7 | D-6 | D-6
I also cannot play most tenths. Can't remember what I did but sometimes I might just replace by 7th or octave I suppose
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Hey 10th For an awesome swinging treatment of Beautiful Love, listen to Bill Evans' head. You may also wish to study his exquisite solo.
To learn the standard My Heart Belongs to Daddy, I recommend Bird. For a virtuoistic, extremely fun and highly original treatment, I recommend Jean-Michel Pilc.
All of the 10ths in My Art Belongs to Abby are playable with your RH thumb hitting the top LH note (at the same time as the melody). However you will not be able to hold down your top LH note in all instances. It is a very fiddly tune and took me 3 weeks to learn.
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Thanks knotty, I'll get right on to it.
For My Heart belongs, somehow octaves and 7ths just don't cut it. However, custard is quite right, I can hit each note with the rh on the bar, I just can't hold on to them. I think it just matters that I have a consistent strategy for the whole tune, and this is the least bad of all options.
Good tips for listening, I have done some downloading and will get going on that, thanks custard.
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E-7b5 | A7 | D-6 | D-6 G-7 | C7 | Fmaj7 | A7 D-6 | G-7 | Bb7 | A7 D-6 | G7 | E-7b5 | A7
E-7b5 | A7 | D-6 | D-6 G-7 | C7 | Fmaj7 | A7 D-6 | G-7 | Bb7 | A7 D-6 | Bb7 A7 | D-6 | D-6
OK, here's what I understand. I'm in D minor, I will solo on D harm except the first 3 bars of line 2 (G-7 | C7 | Fmaj7) where I'm in F. The Bb7 is a substitution for E-7b5 (I'm planning on playing a Bdim there). The only thing I'm not sure about is what the G7 is doing there, but as I voice it the same as a D-6, I don't suppose it really much matters. Please let me know if I'm far off the mark.
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Hello!
I am on page 54 right now reading through and listening to everyone's recordings. I assume it is going to take me a few more days to get up to the end of the thread here.
Last night I read through the instructions for the program and listened through the first few lessons on the CD and downloaded the songs for the solos to sing with.
I have a background in Jazz but it has been many years, I played professionally for the last time at the Metronome and St Nicholas Pub in NYC back in 2001 on the Saxophone. I studied at UNF's music school for with Bunky Green, KEvin Bales, Jogn Ricci, ect...
I have now decided that I want to play piano after not playing anything in over 10 years. I was always amazed by piano players, and to be honest a little jealous.
A few weeks of lessons under my belt and I am diving into JOI starting today, but I have a few questions if you do not mind. If they are answered already on the thread then please excuse me, I am still reading all of the posts.
1. Everything gets sung correct? Improv Lines (which are optional), Hanon, Blues, Tune, and Solo?
2. Somewhere around lesson 10 I should begin composing solos, or new heads to the changes?
3. Tried singing through the Hanon, but it is difficult, any tips?
4. Is Transcribe still the software of choice for looping and slowing down? Also can you import from iTunes?
5. Last question I promise..... What is recommended as far as recording and uploading? I practice on a Yamaha Digital Piano if it makes a difference.
Thanks, and than you for the thread, it has been inspiring and eye opening.
Mike
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Hi Mike and welcome, good to have you on board. You already have a background in jazz, and that will be a huge help. To address your questions: 1. Transposing the line into 12 keys is optional. Go ahead if you want to, but you don't need to. Singing is important, but (1) don't sweat it and (2) you don't need to do it all the time. So, hanons slow, you can sing. Hanons at 180, I don't know anyone who sings that. Singing with solo - the point is you sing! But you don't need to sing well (in tune, in key) - just sing what note comes and try to imitate the shape of the phrase. Get the rhythm, the details of accents and phrasing, and don't worry about the notes. The jazz and blues tune, you sing (aim to sing acapella) but you can just practice too! 2. I think it's around lesson 13, you compose new tunes to the changes of the jazz tunes. Write them out, practice them up to speed. 3. Singing hanons. I find da ba dabba works well. I just skip octaves all the time for comfort and I quit when my voice is tired. 4. I use Transcribe to slow and loop. Pass on itunes, but it will take mp3's from anywhere. 5. Probably question for knotty as he has a DP. Or you could ask in the DP forum. I have an acoustic and I record with a Zoom, top and tail in audacity and upload to boxnet for sharing here. But there are lots of ways to do it. 6. Enjoy! 7. Don't feel like you need to read the whole thread, just ask as you go. We're a friendly bunch and it's OK to go over stuff again. 8. Well done on getting so far in the lessons. How's it going?
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Hey Mike,
Welcome to the club. DPs are fine, as long as they are good enough. You need to have a decent weighted action. Just make sure you don't compensate light touch with heavy volume.
If acoustic was an option, it would be more pleasure for you, but DPs are fine.
10, I think your changes are fine. Get accustomed to the changes and the melody. They are quite common really, going from minor to major, so from that end, it's an easy tune. But it's also a really great, short one, awesome at any tempo, and a big jam favorite.
I'm with Cus on listening to Bill Evans for a good reference version.
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Welcome Mike, it's great that you've joined.
Here are my suggestions. 1. As you are a pro, I would start composing straight away over the changes to Lesson 1 Autumn Leaves. 2. Don't feel you have to read the rest of the thread. 3. You do not have to play anywhere near the speed of the recording which is @ 120 bpm.
I love the sax, I always seem to be listening to be sax players. At the moment I'm singing Wayne Marsh's Marshmallow.
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Thanks for the welcome!
I am getting further through the thread and it is amazing to see the progress everyone has made, truly amazing. Seems like Dave really has come up with a fine formula for building a solid base, I am looking forward to getting through the program.
I am going to start composing right away as per Custard's recommendation.
Last night was my first night going through lesson one. The Hanon is more difficult than it looks. It puts your hands in some awkward positions when you get into some of the keys, and I also have zero piano chops.
The singing is a bit tough and i sounded somewhere between a rooster and a wounded dog scatting the blues. You can really feel the internalization immediately though.
For singing the solos I am going to deviate from Dave's list as I have transcriptions I am working on with the teacher I am studying with (Red Garland "C Jam Blues", and Horace Silver "Song For My Father") so I will be singing those instead, adding more would be just too much.
Here is my practice routine going forward, and longer days which occur 3x a week I can practice 2-3 hours easy, short days 1-2 hours.
Warm - up with basic scales (10-15 minutes or so)
Bach (20 minutes)
Solfege (10 minutes)
JOI (improv line, chords, hanon, blues, tune) (60 minutes)
Transcribing tunes for my lessons, and now will add composing. (60 minutes during practice, but I also sit and work on them 5 minutes here, 5 minutes there intermittently while doing other things)
*I downloaded Transcribe, my is that looping feature a god send.
Anyways if anyone has any other suggestions on practicing and whatnot I would love to hear it. This thread is like a goldmine, you have 5-6 musicians who have had ridiculous growth and Dave answering questions, you should charge for admission!
Now I just have to figure out what software to get to plug my DP into my computer and record some stuff.
Thanks again! I am back to page 60 to keep on reading lol.
Mike
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Wow Mike, you are into it big time. One hour per day on JOI plus composing, you will go a long way very fast.
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There's good value in singing solos starting at the beginning, with Louis and Prez. It is much easier than later stuff, it's easier to internalize, and also provides a solid foundation.
you will be surprised how good Louis' lines are...
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Hi Mike, with all that time to practice, you may find you have time for learning the solos in order - because it goes kind of historically, it does make a sort of 'curriculum'.
The hanons will sort out your piano chops. Feel free to take them slow. 12 keys is a lot if you don't know all your scales. It feels awkward at first, but the hands do get used to it, then you can put a finger anywhere. Are you keeping your hand in a 5-finger position? That's the way to do it.
Are you keeping up the sax also?
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hehe my DP a collectors item??... :-) At least someone who likes the metronome but believe me you don't want it every day.
@Norm my teacher complained about my touch being too hard, so I got myself some good pair of in ear headphones (ue triplefi 10) that would send the volume right into my brain with the DP at max. That helps me to better control the volume on a real upright.
@Mike welcome to the team!
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This tune has really been growing on me, Beautiful love. I'm still confused, though, on that G7 (line 4, 2nd bar), should I solo in C maj or stick to D harm? (Melody note is a C#) 10, I think your changes are fine. Get accustomed to the changes and the melody. They are quite common really, going from minor to major, so from that end, it's an easy tune. But it's also a really great, short one, awesome at any tempo, and a big jam favorite.
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