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#2194960 - 12/09/13 11:16 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Olek]
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Originally Posted By: Maximillyan
Originally Posted By: Olek
You raised a step Max, sound better and definitively more robust.

Keep the good work.

BTW are the high treble hammer covered with leather ?

Thanks, Isaac.
I shall try to grow taller.
Upper hammers not covered with leather but I do not like it's shrill sound too. I laid a strip of cloth(cotton) = 2mm in unwork(without sound) string sector, but it has not changed the sound of the high notes. I unfortunately was not able to remove the grooves on a hammers using sandpaper yet. I plan to do it.
Thank you, for watching and your praise for me. I know that it is far from perfect but I will continue on
Regards,Max


Yes Max the strip cut in the partials and tone openness, but leave the hard attack.
You can shape the treble with rough paper 80 to get a better shape it should help. I would use the glass file to finish. The hammers are may be heavily lacquered and need some needing.

Thanks, Isaac. I also thought to do it. I have not worked with the action this Grand. I guess all hammers must be sanded because grooves here. Thank your for advice
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#2195432 - 12/10/13 05:56 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Sounds as Bach to "digit" or the upright piano is not the essence of this movie. One performer, different musical instruments, classical music. Tastes differ. The idea of the film to convey for a simple layman and professional musicians that music great genius survived the centuries. Bach is very much "alive", even if it is a digital piano "Yamaha"
I believe that it successfully managed Nastya. Nastya is very young girl pianist (Uralsk) is the holder of a silver medal awarded to her at Young Republican competition piano Kazakhstan. The contest was held in end March 2013 Pavlodar city
Upright piano "Rosler" on which plays Nastya most of "his life" was in a state of neglect. In the room where it was stored was damp, no heating more than 3 years. Max did everything I could. But can we talk about the quality of the temperament of this acustic piano?
http://youtu.be/y5B8xS_KtkA
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#2195491 - 12/10/13 10:26 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Vast improvement, Max. Quite heart warming.
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#2195519 - 12/10/13 11:54 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: rxd]
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Vast improvement, Max. Quite heart warming.

Dear,rxd. If you knew how I waited hear this words. But I knew that "legs feed the wolf," so every day I had trained at tuning. It was difficult. Was afraid that I don't have progress. But I could not quit doing it. I knew to I have no moral right loose yours trust. Because you many made for me.
2013 year went to the Max nor empty, because there are rxd's message .
rxd,thank you to believing in me.
Regards, yours Max
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#2196784 - 12/13/13 12:10 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: bkw58]
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Showing improvement. Keep up the good progress, Max.

Thanks,Bob
I shall try
Regards,yours Max
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#2201738 - 12/23/13 07:56 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Upright piano "RIGA" (1970- 75) Max's tuning, is it tuning better?
This piano never tuning and no regulation an action. Many hammers had not very ride. A head's hammer had groove in a felt. Max did all and again did a tuning. Good pleasure in time a looking a clip
http://youtu.be/IZUlnA6j8TQ
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#2201764 - 12/23/13 09:00 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Two steps forward, three steps back.

Don't worry, this happens in the learning process, it helps to be aware, though.

Concentrate on unisons and lever technique.
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#2201777 - 12/23/13 09:25 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: rxd]
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Originally Posted By: rxd
Two steps forward, three steps back.

Don't worry, this happens in the learning process, it helps to be aware, though.

Concentrate on unisons and lever technique.

Dear, rxd. Here I had to work more with T-bar because it is very tight pins. It was the hardest, "RIGA" in my life lately.It's stood without service for more than forty years.
For me anyway is a great honor for your appreciation of my tunings "about steps" (3-2) = 1!
No a despair. Max goes uphill again, because do not have rights lose confidence his London's curator.
Please see with 18 minutes this film.
http://youtu.be/e4mvEj4ldpo


Edited by Maximillyan (12/23/13 09:26 AM)
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#2201802 - 12/23/13 10:12 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Good morning, Max.

Thank you for the video.

A couple of weeks ago you posted two recital performances: one (I think) on a Blüthner that you tuned, and another on (I think) a Yamaha that someone else tuned. You asked us to compare the two tunings. I cannot find where you posted these, but it seems like you wrote in the post that the Yamaha, to your ear, sounded either dead or lifeless when compared to the Blüthner.

Although the Yamaha recording was not the best quality, it was clear that its unisons were mostly clean whereas the Blüthner unisons were not.

So, I am wondering: Are you intentionally tuning one string in each of the unisons slightly flat or sharp of the other(s) to produce a "wave" or "beat" in order to make the unison sound more "lively"?

Many years ago, certain piano technicians wrote articles promoting this as a technique. Not that you have necessarily read these, but I am curious if you are trying to tune the unisons a little "unclean" to give these a little more "life"?



Edited by bkw58 (12/23/13 10:14 AM)
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#2201825 - 12/23/13 11:04 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: bkw58]
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Originally Posted By: bkw58

Good morning, Max.

Thank you for the video.

A couple of weeks ago you posted two recital performances: one (I think) on a Blüthner that you tuned, and another on (I think) a Yamaha that someone else tuned. You asked us to compare the two tunings. I cannot find where you posted these, but it seems like you wrote in the post that the Yamaha, to your ear, sounded either dead or lifeless when compared to the Blüthner.

Although the Yamaha recording was not the best quality, it was clear that its unisons were mostly clean whereas the Blüthner unisons were not.

So, I am wondering: Are you intentionally tuning one string in each of the unisons slightly flat or sharp of the other(s) to produce a "wave" or "beat" in order to make the unison sound more "lively"?

Many years ago, certain piano technicians wrote articles promoting this as a technique. Not that you have necessarily read these, but I am curious if you are trying to tune the unisons a little "unclean" to give these a little more "life"?


Thank you for your message ,Bob.
I am pleased that seen my movie. Everything you wrote is clearly true. I tuning only Bluthner with "live" as you wrote unison. Yamaha in town Pavlodar made metropolitan tuner tuned " which I wrote to the ear, sounded dead or lifeless compared to Bluthner".
I was not trying to do good correct unisons without "wave" or "beat" , but it turned in the final work it's. One of the strings I really do little sharp (upper) , but not enough. The grand piano played a lot before the contest kids and it's a little loose it's tone. I now always will strive to clean unison and made it's ideal .
But I know that if the strings have the spirit of the accordion - it is livelier than pure medieval clavichord .( joke)
Regards, Max
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#2201850 - 12/23/13 11:37 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Thanks, Max.

I follow you (I think.)

The techs who advocated the technique actually aimed for just a little "wave" in the unison, again, to give it more "life." I suspect that most techs never bought into this. A unison that is not clean is really no unison at all: uni meaning one; unison signifying of one sound.

Echoing rxd's advice: Honing good hammer technique and creating clean, stable unisons isn't easy, but in the end, it makes the difference between a mediocre tuner and great one. Both skills are an integral part of the art of what we do.

Best wishes for the new year, Max.


Edited by bkw58 (12/23/13 11:41 AM)
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#2201876 - 12/23/13 12:46 PM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: bkw58]
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Thanks, Max.

I follow you (I think.)

The techs who advocated the technique actually aimed for just a little "wave" in the unison, again, to give it more "life." I suspect that most techs never bought into this. A unison that is not clean is really no unison at all: uni meaning one; unison signifying of one sound.

Echoing rxd's advice: Honing good hammer technique and creating clean, stable unisons isn't easy, but in the end, it makes the difference between a mediocre tuner and great one. Both skills are an integral part of the art of what we do.

Best wishes for the new year, Max.


Bob is a great honor for I'm. If you follow me.
Although the "unison" is Latin for "one", but there is no two like of water droplets in a nature . Therefore, small mutations unison I shall still admit. But this should not be a law. And make it's every days for any pianos always
Bob and rxd is my main teachers. I have to listen to their advice and follow it's if I'm think they are right.
To will all good, Bob in the New Year!
Best wishes too
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#2202141 - 12/24/13 02:42 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: rxd]
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Concentrate on unisons and lever technique.

I'm think it's most important for Max today
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#2202585 - 12/24/13 11:08 PM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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It is impossible to critique your temperment. Put together a video of you actually setting the temperment.
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#2202643 - 12/25/13 01:55 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Gary Fowler]
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Originally Posted By: Gary Fowler
It is impossible to critique your temperment. Put together a video of you actually setting the temperment.

Sorry but I have this video only
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#2202698 - 12/25/13 08:57 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Gary Fowler]
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Originally Posted By: Gary Fowler
Put together a video of you actually setting the temperment.

Is there no temperment also?
http://youtu.be/ahAu-4ZSnwc
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#2210838 - 01/08/14 10:29 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Dear technicians, do your strictly verdict for Max's temperament, please
http://youtu.be/y5txSA4hT1Y
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#2210889 - 01/08/14 12:02 PM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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This shows the greatest improvement thus far, Max. Looks like you took rxd's advice and have been working toward cleaner unisons. I detect a few beating unisons -mostly in the high treble. Keep working on these. Great progress, Max.
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#2210903 - 01/08/14 12:29 PM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: bkw58]
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This shows the greatest improvement thus far, Max. Looks like you took rxd's advice and have been working toward cleaner unisons. I detect a few beating unisons -mostly in the high treble. Keep working on these. Great progress, Max.

Thank,Bob. I am very happy that I have a motion
Regards, Max
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#2211174 - 01/08/14 10:09 PM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Originally Posted By: Maximillyan
Dear technicians, do your strictly verdict for Max's temperament, please
http://youtu.be/y5txSA4hT1Y

Sounds beautiful. Did he play it transposed to A minor or did you tune at A=415?

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#2211208 - 01/08/14 11:34 PM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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The quality of the video is exceptional. You get an A plus for that.
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#2211254 - 01/09/14 02:24 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: DoelKees]
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Originally Posted By: Maximillyan
Dear technicians, do your strictly verdict for Max's temperament, please
http://youtu.be/y5txSA4hT1Y

Sounds beautiful. Did he play it transposed to A minor or did you tune at A=415?

Kees

Dear Kees, I'm very glad for your estimate of my creation.
Particularly thanks for yours words:"Sounds beautiful."
I have to explain a things of moments:
Firstly. Young girl playing and neither "HE"
Secondly. Yes, Max indeed deliberately understated pitch. This is not transposition. A = 415 Hz realy.
This upright piano "PETROF" a long time did not have tuning service more than 25 years of . When Max found it's was A=G. It was decided to raise one semitone.
I believe that by our poverty and the lack of service parts Max did correctly is it so?
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#2211257 - 01/09/14 02:29 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Gary Fowler]
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Originally Posted By: Gary Fowler
You get an A plus for that.

THANKS,Gary Fowler.
A plus = B, is it so?
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#2211258 - 01/09/14 02:34 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.
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#2211261 - 01/09/14 02:44 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: bkw58]
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Originally Posted By: bkw58
This shows the greatest improvement thus far, Max. Looks like you took rxd's advice and have been working toward cleaner unisons. I detect a few beating unisons -mostly in the high treble. Keep working on these. Great progress, Max.

Hi, Bob.
I really took rxd's advices . He is chief curator for me. I continue to improve in pure unison is it very hard.
You rightly pointed out that several beating unisons -mostly in the high treble. It can be heard on the video, sorry. Max shall correct
Regards, Max
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#2211264 - 01/09/14 03:09 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Chris Leslie]
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Originally Posted By: Chris Leslie
Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.

Hello Australia!
Hi,Chris Leslie
Very happy for your support.
I'll try to tune in to the A=440. I shall obliged to do so.
I myself try practice recovery breaking strings. I have to do it often in last times. But my concern is strings winding if its to break during a raise of a pitch.
Regards,Max
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#2211268 - 01/09/14 03:29 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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Originally Posted By: Maximillyan
Originally Posted By: Chris Leslie
Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.

Hello Australia!
Hi,Chris Leslie
Very happy for your support.
I'll try to tune in to the A=440. I shall obliged to do so.
I myself try practice recovery breaking strings. I have to do it often in last times. But my concern is strings winding if its to break during a raise of a pitch.
Regards,Max


It can easily happen during a pitch raise to A=440. That is why the skill will give you confidence to do full pitch raise and string repair at the same time if it happens.
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#2211270 - 01/09/14 03:42 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Chris Leslie]
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Originally Posted By: Chris Leslie
Originally Posted By: Maximillyan
Originally Posted By: Chris Leslie
Hi Max. It is OK to tune a semitone flat if there is concern about strings breaking.
But it is better to tune to A440 if you can.
If you are worried about breaking strings, have you learnt how to repair broken strings? It may be a life saver for you.

Hello Australia!
Hi,Chris Leslie
Very happy for your support.
I'll try to tune in to the A=440. I shall obliged to do so.
I myself try practice recovery breaking strings. I have to do it often in last times. But my concern is strings winding if its to break during a raise of a pitch.
Regards,Max


It can easily happen during a pitch raise to A=440. That is why the skill will give you confidence to do full pitch raise and string repair at the same time if it happens.

We shall ask God so it is not happened
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#2211958 - 01/10/14 03:14 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: bkw58]
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I detect a few beating unisons -mostly in the high treble.

Yes. Several unison deliberately slightly overstated. When I tuned this upright piano May 2013. I found that the lower pins freely by 5-6 months. This segment keys from F5 to H5 I decided to set 1 beat loose lower pins this string . 4 keys only(F5,G5,B5,H5)
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#2213801 - 01/13/14 03:24 AM Re: What think technicians about of max's temperament? [Re: Maximillyan]
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One Max's client very strongly asked him choose the piano. In the frames of the film it's can be seen in the background of another piano "Belarus" the unfortunate part of 1972 year. The fact that so many piano of this party piano "refuse to keep a pitch". Therefore, I was a big responsibility not to make a mistake and find a decent piano.That "Belarus" is being demonstrated in the video we initially looked at it and came to the conclusion that we need to buy it.
It should be noted that the former owners this piano and no one ever tuning. We found preserved only some of the notes in the choruses which was in a factory (A = 435Hz ) . It was decided to hold the original tuning using the T- bar and a plectrum. But subsequently Max was clean tuning use tuning hammer .What came out of it judge for yourself.
I would strongly advise if there is no special need do not rush and do not immediately (A = 440 ) as it is likely fragility this pitch down after such a temperament . Need to consider the fact that more than 30 years the piano has been a common power load and a pins and can be subjected to excessive pressure on a hole of a pinblock.
Need note that upright piano Max tuned it's (9-12 ) when the handle is on the left only and move up . Why so ? The fact that this practice makes a pin during tuning only rotate along a predetermined path attached by hand of man . A pin does not bend as it comes with the usual practice, when the handle tuning hammer located to the right . And as a consequence more durable , and most importantly , stable of a pitch, I'm think . Although it is inconvenient to work.
To recieve your pleasure it's see
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http://youtu.be/ahAu-4ZSnwc
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