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#1973935 - 10/16/12 04:50 AM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
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Regarding the VMK-149 question: Kurzweil PC3 / PC3K7 have a TP8 keybed. So if you can try that somewhere - you would know how the TP8 handles.

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#1974074 - 10/16/12 12:43 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Regarding the VMK-149 question: Kurzweil PC3 / PC3K7 have a TP8 keybed. So if you can try that somewhere - you would know how the TP8 handles.


My bad for being insufficiently precise in earlier references. (A perfect illustration of why precision in language is so important!)

The Studiologic boards relevant to this thread are the (mythical) VMK-149 Plus and the VMK-161 Plus; they make "non-Plussed" versions of the same board.

The difference is that the "Plus" versions use the TP8Piano weighted-key keyboard, while the "non-Plussed" versions use the TP8 semi-weighted (spring--controlled) keyboard.

The Kurzweil models you mention use the TP8 semi-weighted keys, not the TP8Piano weighted keys.

If I could settle for semi-weighted keys, I'd probably just stick with the NP-11 I have now. It's no gem, but it's cheap, has 61 keys, and I can check it on airline flights in a decent soft case. (There's every chance, of course, that airline baggage handlers will smash it flat the next time I fly, but at the NP-11's cost of about $150, I'm willing to chance it.)

The real crave, though, is for a weighted-key 49 or 61 key board that might be carry-onable. If you see that, send it my way. smile
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#1974116 - 10/16/12 02:42 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
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I owned a VMK-161-Plus, it is a beast. I liked the action for playing software. I considered it very nice. However a Privia is much(by alot) easier to travel with!

The OS on the VMK is also quite primitive. I am only interjecting to offer a bit of 'common' wisdom.
Be careful what you wish for. It might just come true.
The non-plus version, I believe, uses water-fall style keys.

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#1974117 - 10/16/12 02:53 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: emenelton]
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Originally Posted By: emenelton
I owned a VMK-161-Plus, it is a beast. I liked the action for playing software. I considered it very nice. However a Privia is much(by alot) easier to travel with!

The OS on the VMK is also quite primitive. I am only interjecting to offer a bit of 'common' wisdom.
Be careful what you wish for. It might just come true.
The non-plus version, I believe, uses water-fall style keys.


When I first raised this question some weeks back, I was focusing primarily on the length of the board as a travel impediment. A 49-key board seemed like something that might be feasible as carry-on luggage. Everything I've heard about the VMK since then (including your post) suggests to me that the VMK won't address my needs -- especially since the 149 can only be purchased at shops that sell real unicorn horns.

Since I'm now reconciled to the idea of checking my travel piano as luggage (in a suitable hard case), and unless someone comes along with a weighted-hammer DP with 61 or fewer keys, I'm sticking with my NP-11 for now as my compromise travel piano. I expect that ultimately a Casio PX-x50 in a hardshell case will be the preferred solution.
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#1974125 - 10/16/12 03:13 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
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A VMK-149 Plus carry on would be funny, in a not so good way.
I have traveled on business trips in my car and taken a Privia and an ES6(not at the same time.
The ES6 is a beast, the Privia was wonderful(PX3), except for the sonics. I still own the ES6, but I don't travel anymore.

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#1974324 - 10/16/12 11:16 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
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I'll repeat the possibility of shipping one of the 88-key models. Are the trips of short duration? If so, it doesn't seem much of a big deal to be without an instrument. If the trips are longer and at one destination, shipping might be the same or less money than checking luggage for a flight.

One factor is that the company might reimburse for the flight and any checked luggage, but not for shipping. That said, it would be a significant upgrade in instrument to have 88 keys with piano action vs. the 61-key NP11 with no action. Also with shipping, the instrument can be packaged better and likely to be handled more carefully.

If the NP11 is sufficient, maybe a downgrade to an Ipad with a keyboard attachment might be worth a look. Yes, even less of a "piano," and significant costs, but no package to check, and no bulky NP11 to lug around, and an instrument that one can take virtually anywhere.
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#2278551 - 05/19/14 07:43 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
Andrew N Offline
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Just wanted to follow up on this thread and let everyone know that there is currently an 88-key portable piano that separates into three-pieces to fit in carry-on luggage. With weighted keys as well. Here's what the main features plan to include:

88-key Graded Hammer Action Keyboard
Built-in speakers and high quality instrument sounds
Strong and lightweight carbon fiber casing
Rechargeable battery with up to 7 hours of play time.
4 color touch screen
3 pedal inputs, Audio line out, Headphone jack in the front
MIDI in/out, Wireless MIDI, USB
Music stand with a built-in LED light so you see it in the dark (great for orchestra pits and dark clubs)

If anyone is interested in staying up to date on the progress and when it will be available, please check out www.groovepiano.com and enter your email address. Links to the Facebook and Twitter at the bottom of that webpage as well.

The plan is to launch a crowd sourcing campaign (KickStarter) later this year to help put the piano into production.


Edited by Andrew N (05/20/14 11:13 AM)

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#2380796 - 02/01/15 07:29 AM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
Half Note Piano Offline
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Hello everyone,

I'm new to this thread and was wondering if there has been any progress on finding a usable travel keyboard. I am a product designer and developer as well as a keyboardist and have been working on a design for an affordable travel keyboard. I would like to get some input for what specific features you would expect and the price you would find reasonable.

Here are the key requirements right now:
Under $800
Fits in a airline carry on bag
Has some level of weighted keys
Limited to 68 keys (due to carry on size)

I've read through several forums on this topic but would like to get the chance to ask some direct questions.

Please post on here what you are looking for in the keyboard to help direct the design or follow the progress on facebook at https://www.facebook.com/halfnotepiano

Thanks!

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#2380800 - 02/01/15 07:37 AM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: Half Note Piano]
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Posts: 265
Originally Posted By: Half Note Piano

Here are the key requirements right now:
Under $800
Fits in a airline carry on bag
Has some level of weighted keys
Limited to 68 keys (due to carry on size)


Fits in an airline carry on bag? Maybe something like this?

(sorry)


Edited by petes1 (02/01/15 07:37 AM)
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#2380802 - 02/01/15 07:59 AM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: Half Note Piano]
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Originally Posted By: Half Note Piano
I am a product designer and developer as well as a keyboardist and have been working on a design for an affordable travel keyboard. I would like to get some input for what specific features you would expect and the price you would find reasonable.

Here are the key requirements right now:
Under $800
Fits in a airline carry on bag
Has some level of weighted keys
Limited to 68 keys (due to carry on size)

You won't be able to do 68 (full-width) keys on something that will pass airline carry-on rules, unless maybe you do something that folds or disassembles into smaller pieces, is that your plan?

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#2380876 - 02/01/15 12:10 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: anotherscott]
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Registered: 02/04/14
Posts: 549
Loc: Switzerland
Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Half Note Piano
I am a product designer and developer as well as a keyboardist and have been working on a design for an affordable travel keyboard. I would like to get some input for what specific features you would expect and the price you would find reasonable.

Here are the key requirements right now:
Under $800
Fits in a airline carry on bag
Has some level of weighted keys
Limited to 68 keys (due to carry on size)

You won't be able to do 68 (full-width) keys on something that will pass airline carry-on rules, unless maybe you do something that folds or disassembles into smaller pieces, is that your plan?


The maximum you could carry would be a 37 keys controller (or 2 of them...) and not every airline would accept it.
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#2380900 - 02/01/15 01:25 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
anotherscott Offline
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I've taken a Korg Microstation as carry-on, which has 61 mini-keys. For full-size keys, I think a 49 can still make it, if it is not much bigger than the key area itself. They add all the dimensions, so if the 49 has much in the way of extra depth for controls above the keys and/or extra width for pitch/mod wheels to the left, that's likely to put it over. It can vary by airline. With JetBlue, they permit up to 45 linear inches (length + width + depth). Though also, it must fit in an overhead compartment, and the size of that compartment can vary with the individual plane.

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#2380947 - 02/01/15 03:09 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: anotherscott]
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Posts: 549
Loc: Switzerland
Originally Posted By: anotherscott
I've taken a Korg Microstation as carry-on, which has 61 mini-keys. For full-size keys, I think a 49 can still make it, if it is not much bigger than the key area itself. They add all the dimensions, so if the 49 has much in the way of extra depth for controls above the keys and/or extra width for pitch/mod wheels to the left, that's likely to put it over. It can vary by airline. With JetBlue, they permit up to 45 linear inches (length + width + depth). Though also, it must fit in an overhead compartment, and the size of that compartment can vary with the individual plane.


I think it varies a lot. Here in Europe I am used to take Easyjet that does not allow over 60 cm, so basically 24 inches (they say even less, 55 but they allow a bit more) in the overhead compartment... But even in the best scenario the choice is between 49 full size and 61 mini keys. And, as far as I am concerned, so far I haven't managed to enjoy playing either....
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#2435701 - 06/26/15 07:29 AM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
Half Note Piano Offline
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Registered: 12/17/14
Posts: 2
Hi everyone,

Sorry for my absence, I've received some funding to work on this project for a travel keyboard. I was unclear in my original post but yes, the keyboard would fold in half to become it's own protective case. I have modified a Yamaha NP-11 to fold in half within the restrictions of an airline carry on bag. Here are the current specs of the keyboard.

Folds in half to protect the keys and fit in small bags
61 non-weighted keys (Yamaha touch sensitive keys)
Battery powered
Dual Speakers
<5kg

Would a well designed keyboard like this be of interest to the community? What would need to be added/removed to be appealing?
Thanks!

If you would like, I am running a survey of how musicians use their keyboard and what they would expect in a travel keyboard and would love some feedback!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/WL9W7VP

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#2435841 - 06/26/15 02:31 PM Re: Would You Buy a "Travel/Practice" Piano With Good Action? [Re: ClsscLib]
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I traveled a lot with an NP-11 for a couple of years, until it died on me in Spain last month.

I've since replaced it with a Roland RD-64.

The NP-11 is much lighter and much easier to manage, and I didn't mind checking it as baggage in a padded soft case. (If the baggage handlers destroyed it, it wouldn't have been a big financial loss.) The whole package -- keyboard and bag -- weighed less than 15 pounds.

The Roland (with the obligatory hardshell case to protect a much more significant investment) is roughly 50 pounds, and quite a bit bulkier in dimensions. In addition, the Roland has no music stand -- it absolutely baffles me that a $900 keyboard can't have a music stand, but the $150 Yamaha can. What's up with that, Roland?

OTOH, the Roland has weighted keys that are a decent approximation of a real piano. The NP-11 keys are slightly undersized (more than slightly on depth), have a terrible pivot point/downweight issue, and are unweighted and nothing like the feel of a real piano.

I will say that the NP-11 was better than having no keyboard to play, but only just.

I appreciate your initiative, but for me, I'd like this idea a lot better if you were working with weighted-key keyboard as your starting poing -- something like a Casio PX-150 would do me just fine.

Good luck with your project.
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