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If you read the literature on it, it mentions a lot of finishes like paint, lacquer's, metal, brass ect... it doesn't mention polyester specifically...thats a big red flag for starters.


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and it leaves a greasy film on the polyester

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http://www.ghsstrings.com/accessories/category/ghs-lubricants-and-cleaners
It says "Polishes and protects modern or traditional lacquers and paints. Shines tuning machines, hardware, knobs, pickguards, pickup covers, pianos, brass instruments. No waxy buildup."

Sounds all right to me. I can testify it leaves no visible greasy film

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Polyester is over 2 3/4 times harder than standard lacquers and 4 times harder than a standard nitro-cellulose lacquer.


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Also, a polish may add sheen to many softer finishes found on guitars that rate in the range of 50-60 degrees, but polyester alone has a sheen of 90-95 degrees by itself and polishes are not needed to add sheen....


My experience with the GHS stuff is that it gives a shine matching the other parts of my grand. So that must be the 90-95 degrees.

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polishes with fine compound in them are designed to remove surface swirls and scratches within that high sheen.


Yes. and that's what GHS seems to be doing right. And that's what OP askes for?

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One more question. I heard that microfiber cloth is made of polyester and that’s why we should not use microfiber cloth when polishing with Meguiar’s. Explanation is because polyester will scratch polyester. Is that true? And if it is, what should we use than?

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P.s.: I ordered the product (Meguiar’s) but I am still waiting for it.


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I remember Meguiar's instructions saying "soft cotton cloth".


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Polishes without silicones . it may be written on the bottle.

I believe some are water based actually (3M)

A polish is scratching the surface, then a finer one is used then a finer, but the foam used to pass the polish have to be adapted to its strenght.

WHen too much micro scratches , polishes containing silicones are used, so once every 6 months is yet largely enough (and you cannot avoid finger prints) the silicone quantity matters, of course.
Yamaha was providing a heavily loaded product 20 years ago, given to the customer with any new piano.

Deer skin is ideal as long as the case is clean of scratches, if you can keep it without any "oily" product that is far better in the long run IMO.





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Thanks for answers.

I tried Meguiar’s Mirror Glaze Plastic Cleaner 17 and Swirl Remover 9. No result. There was technician at my house and accidentally he also had buffer machine (I don’t know if this is correct word in English to describe this thing) in his car. I ask him to polish this small scratches and they were immediately gone.

The scratches were micro of the micro-scratches, they were only seen if you put the light at the right angel and you also had to look at the right angel, but the reason that Meguiar’s 17 and 9 don’t work is probably because the finish is “hard finish” – no matter how hard you rub with your hand it just doesn’t go away.


OK, I have a question about microfiber cloth. I have to say that I am quite confused here. Members of this forum are always talking about HIGH QUALITY microfiber cloth. I am looking for a good microfiber cloth but there is description on almost every cloth:” high quality” and it can costs only 3 $. How can I know if it is really high quality? I used search function and tried to find some specific “high quality” microfiber cloth. I only found so called “Ultimate Wipe Detailing Polish Cloth” but google says it doesn’t exist. What I found is “Meguiars Car Care Ultimate Wipe Detailing Cloth«,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Meguiars-M9...ries&hash=item20c9733c05&vxp=mtr

I don't know if this is the same thing. It costs only 2,59 $ but in description it is mentioned that this is very special high quality cloth. Suspicious again – very low price.

I also found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Guit...itar_Accessories&hash=item35bf42bf1b

What do you suggest me to buy? I need specific brand and model. I have Cory cleaner cloth but it looks exactly the same as some cheap Chinese rubbish (I have both and I even have a feeling that Chinese cloth is more gentle and soft – opinion based on touch).

Thanks.

P.s.: Kamin, clicked your link below and looked the pictures that you put on the internet. It was interesting to watch your work.


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100% cotton is hard to beat, especially after having been washed a few times. Old worn white t-shirts are the best. Fruit of the loom etc...

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Old worn white t-shirts are the best.

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But I heard that it is easier to scratch with cotton? I hear every time different story. What is now the truth:)? All I need is to buy a quality cloth for keeping it clean.


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I have the same scratches on my new Kawai RX6. It was in the shop 2 or soy ears before I bought it and some idiot " polished" it with a dirty cloth and rubbed in all the dust and grit resulting in micro and some dealer scratches. These can be seen mainly when the light is shone at certain angles. When the light is right I am horrified by the amount of scratching on this piano!

I have been told NOT to use those microfiber cloths by a piano polisher and restorer. You must use soft cotton cloth, like terry cloth. Those yellow cotton car polishing cloths which can be purchased at car parts shops.

I am yet to attempt a re polish of my piano. Previous polishing attempts have failed. The micro swirl scratches are still there and very obvious.

One product that's been suggested is Brasso. Followed by Turtle Wax Scratch and Swirl remover, followed by Turtle Wax colour cure plus black. By the way, Turtle Wax is a brand name, there is no "Wax" in these products.

Any comments are welcome.

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Darlene uses cotton baby diapers, many-times-washed, to dust the pianos in her store.

Similarly, I use soft, 100% cotton bandannas when waxing my piano or cleaning the keys. I say "wax" but it's Cory's, and they call it "Piano Polish," not wax. I don't know what's in it exactly.

As far as I can tell, there is no power in heaven or earth to keep those tiny scratches off a poly piano finish in dusty California. But the only place they show much is on the horizontal pieces of wood at the ends of the music rack, and even there not enough for me to start grinding the polish with an abrasive product. I would call an experienced refinisher.

Turtle Wax does, by the way, list carnuba wax as one of its main ingredients. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnuba_wax

http://www.turtlewax.com/detail--Carnauba-Cleaner-Wax-Paste-0-46.aspx
"Wash and dry car. Apply on a cool clean surface, not in direct sunlight. Apply a small amount of product onto a damp applicator and spread evenly on one section at a time. Allow to dry to a haze. Remove excess with a soft cloth. Buff lightly for maximum shine. Not intended for use on vinyl, wood, or flat paint."


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Originally Posted by eightyeight_keys
I have the same scratches on my new Kawai RX6. It was in the shop 2 or soy ears before I bought it and some idiot " polished" it with a dirty cloth and rubbed in all the dust and grit resulting in micro and some dealer scratches. These can be seen mainly when the light is shone at certain angles. When the light is right I am horrified by the amount of scratching on this piano!
I think you should contact the dealer and tell them to fix the scratches.

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