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#1932842 - 07/26/12 07:08 PM explore a particular piano
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I have a particular piano in mind, but am atm, just wanting to find more out about everything. So folks, what do you know about bohemia London ltd around the period of late 19th to early 20th? Thanks all.
Ben

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#1932855 - 07/26/12 07:58 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Hi Ben - Welcome to Piano World!

You question is a bit confusing. Can you clarify exactly what you are asking?
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#1932878 - 07/26/12 09:28 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Hi Ben - Welcome to Piano World!

You question is a bit confusing. Can you clarify exactly what you are asking?

Bohemia is a brand of piano, I think made specifically in London. I am guessing the poster is asking about that, but I don't know anything else about the brand.. can someone more knowledgeable fill in the gaps? smile
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#1932995 - 07/27/12 05:01 AM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Well I know absolutely nothing about them, so if anyone is more knowledgeable, then I'd love to know anything. I do understand this is very vague,. I am curious about the brand, as when you internet search it, you only ever receive info about present day, and I also believe they are now based in Czech-republic, but under the name of c. Bechstein... On this site, it says the name dates from 1993... Which I know this piano was made well before this...being why I asked if anyone knows anything about them late 19th to early 20th, perhaps I should have explained a little more in the first instance.
Thanks, Ben

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#1933110 - 07/27/12 11:18 AM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Hi Ben,

What is the reference to London? That is what is confusing.

Bohemia pianos generically trace back to 1871, but from the Czech Republic. There are various names and associations in its history. There is even a tie to Petrof when they all came out of the state owned (Czechoslovakia) piano companies. It gets very confusing. Throw in some excellent pipe organs and it starts to boggle the mind.

Bohemia, as the name of a specific piano, didn't originate until 1993. It is named after the region of the Czech Republic where the factory is located.

Their website is helpful.

http://www.bohemiapiano.cz/en/firm.htm

The contemporary pianos are a fine instrument which doesn't literally trace back to the late 19th. century.

Where are you finding a tie to Great Britain?
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#1933127 - 07/27/12 11:49 AM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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The piano was a relative's that it's history is vague, it is an upright, I'd imagine is about 58-62" total height, looks to be made from rosewood, style around 1900s, (my judge us I know it is old, too simple to be mid 19th, to decorative to be mid 20th). Behind the music holder is in gold writing 'bohemia London ltd'. That is my referance, and also my confusion.... When I get the chance I can show somepictures, but they will take a while to get.
Ben

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#1934764 - 07/30/12 02:44 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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... bump? smile

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#1934857 - 07/30/12 05:47 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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#1934882 - 07/30/12 06:45 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Sorry wink it is forum talk that we use on a marine aquarium forum, fo when you wonder if there hasn'tbeen any progression due to it getting lost among all the new threads.. and with the high rate production of this forum, I wondered if this had been the case.

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#1934930 - 07/30/12 07:59 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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We're all waiting for some photos. Possible? It would surely help solve the mystery.

I'm also into marine aquaria. What is the forum to which you refer?
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#1935765 - 08/01/12 10:49 AM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Sure will do, minute I am able hopefully within a week, the piano is not at my residence. The forum is marine fish forum. It is primerily UK but there are also a few Americans, the forum is the best that I came accross, my only issue with it is that it seems to be dulling down now, I imagine that it'd be down to the summer. I also briefly browse around some of the American forums, to watch the supersize builds. Which on the subject has just reminded me to check out 'mission impossible- acroporas..' something or other....

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#1945401 - 08/19/12 09:57 AM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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http://s1157.photobucket.com/albums/p587...pg&newest=1

These are the pics, I am away for a fortnight but will try to answer any Q's as soon as poss.
Many thanks,
Ben

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#1945407 - 08/19/12 10:04 AM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Looks like an interesting old upright... well build.

I liked the pictures of the aquarium.

Good luck.

Rick
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#1954831 - 09/06/12 01:24 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
sailorben Offline
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Thank you, unfortunately this has come to no avail... Anything extra needed? Or are we just un-knowledgeable about the subject of this piano.

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#1954839 - 09/06/12 01:37 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Hi Sailor Ben,

greetings from a german sailor.



Sorry for crossposting, for ancient UK pianos, there also are some other specialists in GB, see here, & greetings to Bill Kibby.,

http://www.piano-tuners.org/piano-forums/index.php
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#1954844 - 09/06/12 01:53 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Nice jawfish...

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#1957072 - 09/10/12 05:48 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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I wish he was mark... Then I wish he wasn't when I would have realised the $200 price tag I just payed... No that lovely fish is a firefish, became reclusive and I had to move him out.. shame but had to be done.

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#1957126 - 09/10/12 08:01 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Let's cut to the chase here. No point beating around the bush (enough expressions already). An upright piano from the turn of the 19th century to the 20th is not worth a rebuild. Spend your money on a new piano you can hear and like.

When you decide to do a rebuild, you have no idea what the end result will be. To invest this much in an upright is not a reasonable investment. If you do it on a grand, there are some who would argue that the harp and case have an influence on the sound (more than the soundboard?) and would warrant the investment.

I myself would only purchase a piano that I hear and play and like.
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#1957980 - 09/12/12 05:52 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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That is in no way of interest to myself. I am more interested in the history of the piano. Why everything has to be about money, I am clueless. My question was not whether it would be worth a rebuild or not as a viable investment. It has been in the family sin e then and moved households. No purchasing being done here, it is likely though that the piano will be rebuilt at a later date, for the sentimental value it with holds, not the 'shallow minded' inveatement.


Edited by sailorben (09/14/12 05:49 AM)

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#1958047 - 09/12/12 08:19 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Judging from the photos (the case style and plate design) I would estimate your family piano was built around 1910, give or take 10 years. Your piano has an over-damper (aka birdcage) mechanism. As well, the soundboard panels run horizontally. Both features point towards an antiquated (1870s) and inferior design, tonally and touch-wise.

"Bohemia - London" does not appear in the piano atlas. This usually means that this piano was in all likelihood a stencil piano - a lower grade "no-name" instrument onto which a dealer could put a name of his choosing.

A helpful technician could probably get it cleaned and fixed up and tuned to work for you. But any kind of re-building would really be misguided and ill-advised.
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#1958056 - 09/12/12 09:08 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Hi Ben,

It seems like a dead end here as no one has any idea about a Bohemia London. LTD. Did you ever try the link to the British piano group suggested by BerndAB? They have a forum focused on British pianos from that era. They might be much more helpful for you.
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#1970277 - 10/08/12 11:33 AM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Yes, only one reply from the mod himself, which wasn't too helpful as it was a rather vague response.

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#1970374 - 10/08/12 04:00 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Originally Posted By: sailorben
That is in no way of interest to myself. I am more interested in the history of the piano. Why everything has to be about money, I am clueless. My question was not whether it would be worth a rebuild or not as a viable investment. It has been in the family sin e then and moved households. No purchasing being done here, it is likely though that the piano will be rebuilt at a later date, for the sentimental value it with holds, not the 'shallow minded' inveatement.


good for you, Ben smile

all the best for your history search - and enjoy the the rebuild of your lovely old piano! don't let anyone scare you out of the attempt to keep your treasured family heirloom alive for another hundred years. if restorations were so very foolish, there'd be no vintage cars on our roads and no old houses still standing. the fiscal 'wisdom' of the thing doesn't enter into it - we do it because we value old things. it's screamingly obvious it aint going to be the same as the experience of a Shiny New Thing (you'd think we came down in the last shower grin ), but we don't enter into it thinking it's a 'near enough' proposition, do we. we enter into it deliberately seeking the difference, quite often. else it's out of sheer love for the art of the thing.

cheers



Edited by tonedefreegan (10/08/12 04:22 PM)

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#1970433 - 10/08/12 06:02 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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Put much better than myself. Exactly. wink

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#1970440 - 10/08/12 06:36 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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I just find the idea that an object's worth is purely in its practical application to be clinically mercenary. I save that sort of approach for microwave ovens and underpants :p

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#1970464 - 10/08/12 07:36 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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"...I just find the idea that an object's worth is purely in its practical application to be clinically mercenary..."

Oh, I don't know. Piano rebuilds are astonishingly expensive; it does enter into the decision, for most of us. The initial value and playability of a piano, when it was new, are also worthwhile things to consider. It doesn't seem to me that sailorben was asking to be pushed toward an expensive project to satisfy someone else's views. If he doesn't know what is involved when the term 'piano rebuild' is thrown down, it would be worth his while to find out.

I think a lick of piano polish, a tuning (if it's possible--- those birdcages are a nightmare, and many techs won't touch them) and maybe some brass cleaner might give him everything he wants.

Sailorben, since you begged for information and advice repeatedly, I can see that it's of some importance to you. So, I'm glad to see that you got some good advice for your trouble--- from Jurgen, who is very knowledgeable, and who gave you as accurate an appraisal as one can do by long-distance... though it was not sugared-up very much. We are fairly well used to getting letters on this forum, from inheritors of old pianos who believe that they're sure to be very valuable because of their old age, and because they're big, and a musical instrument. So if the advice was a bit terse, that is probably the backstory; you wouldn't be in a position to know it, unless you read through the back numbers on the forum.

You still got fine advice. Your next step, when you get around to it, would be to have a qualified technician see the piano in person. He can examine it for condition (which is all-important when it comes to fixing up used pianos), appraise its insurance value, and estimate the cost of putting it in order, if that's what you want. This kind of service call would cost around $100- 300, depending on the kind of report you require.

If you placed your location (state or country would do) on your post or profile, it might be possible to help you find a qualified tech in your area. If you're in the USA, you might try http://ptg.org or ask a local piano dealer for a recommendation.

It's nice to know you have something from your family, and that you have such a good feeling for it. Best of luck with your project.
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#1970499 - 10/08/12 08:58 PM Re: explore a particular piano [Re: sailorben]
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totally expensive - never said it wasn't!

I restore antique furniture, and antique houses, and antique cars, and - god help me - antique caravans, so I have some idea of costs involved in resurrecting anything you might want to put to practical use. Mind you, I RESTORE, I never rebuild. Perhaps Ben is just wanting to restore his piano, in which case it's more akin to restoring a dining table, or chest of drawers. Lot's of sandpaper and elbow grease and 500ml of varnish. Not a lot of money. Throw in a tech and tune (T&T) for another $300-$500 and it's still inexpensive. Even if you had to spend another $1000, heck, even $2000, on parts and repairs, again - still cheap by newer piano standards. Granted you wouldn't go that far for Practical Reasons alone, but you would if it was a piano that meant something to your family smile

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