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#1940389 - 08/10/12 03:31 PM What Is Going On in Piano Forum?
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
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Wow!

It seems that this forum has been infected with the same malady which is common in the Tuner/Tech forum.

Bickering - Sniping - Rudness - Cheap Shots - Diarrhea of the Mouth - One Upmanship - Being an Authority on Everything - Vendettas

Hey Gang - Let's consider using some maners and being more civil.

When you feel the need to tighten the laces on your boxing gloves, take it into a PM sparring ring.
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#1940401 - 08/10/12 03:53 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Marty

Now I see why there are so many wars going back in history.

Human beings tend to be aggressive, even on a forum like this.

As Charlie Brown says "Good grief"

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#1940426 - 08/10/12 04:32 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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I agree Marty. I've taken a step back a little bit not posting as much due to that and to the constant blathering, (diarrhea of the mouth-love that one) 12 page long winded useless answers that so many post over you know where along with so many of these same ones having to be right, gets awfully tiring too. smile
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#1940428 - 08/10/12 04:38 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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See what happens when I stop posting regularly! War breaks out.

BTW, are you referring to certain specific threads?
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#1940454 - 08/10/12 05:33 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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I say let the opinions fly.

Most of the population of the world has no idea that these issues even exist, let alone that anyone feels passionately or even gives a hoot about this stuff. At least here people can engage.

Imagine, two strangers at a bus stop. One tries to strike up a conversation about the finer points of piano tuning or the superiority of one piano over another...

Keep it here so we don't all end up in the looney bin!

Still I'm with you that there is no need to be a complete jerk about it.
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#1940459 - 08/10/12 05:39 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad


BTW, are you referring to certain specific threads?


It has to be that What's in a Name thread. With 124 posts it is the only one long enough to hold much of a fight!
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#1940472 - 08/10/12 05:58 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Count me in too guys ..... I've also noticed a marked escalation of vacuous garbage and urine extraction!

Just waiting for 50 pages of debate about the use of 10mm Teflon coated corrugated cardboard being used in the design of a electrically heated never going out of tune SteinBechDorfer.

thumb wow

[/i]before anyone takes umbridge ..... this is meant to be tongue in cheek, and not meant in anyway to be offensive wink [i]
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#1940479 - 08/10/12 06:18 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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I love it

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#1940529 - 08/10/12 07:46 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Eric Gloo Online   content
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I haven't noticed any bickering, rudeness or etc. Of course, I only read the important threads, like this one. cool
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#1940534 - 08/10/12 08:05 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Karl Watson Offline
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Well, I've certainly limited (read: mostly stopped) my contributions to the forum. Lacking Jerry's wonderful sense of humour, I've actually been shocked by some of the replies made to my innocent bits.

In fact, I'm really grateful for Marty's gracious defence in a couple of instances.

I've noticed that, with the exception of one, semi-professional contributor, the most knowledgeable amongst us are invariably the most civil and tolerant.

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#1940541 - 08/10/12 08:13 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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I know one thing................................... If you're perfect like some of us are, we never have to worry about being wrong about anything at all cause we "aint!!" ooooo, was I just wrong???
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#1940543 - 08/10/12 08:14 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Only a true piano nerd can get into a heated Forum discussion about piano facts, piano brands, and opinions about piano dealers. I generally just skip to another thread if I think I recognize "diarrhea of the mouth". Unfortunately, I can't do that at long-winded meetings at work! Marty is right, if we expect to get more piano nerd converts, we should keep it civil.
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#1940544 - 08/10/12 08:14 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Rudeness? AW shut up, the bunch of you!! LOL, Actually I have taken a temporary hiatus from posting due to the fact that I don't know anything else. I've run out of opinions due to my limited knowledge. But, I'll be back, (beware!) I'm always lurking in the shadows.
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#1940575 - 08/10/12 08:54 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Aw come on; you civilized people need to post MORE in order to keep the ratios in check!

Pretty please?


Edited by malkin (08/10/12 08:55 PM)
Edit Reason: increasing civility factor!
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#1940618 - 08/10/12 10:45 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Posts: 8585
Loc: Georgia, USA
I’ve always believed there is something to the old saying, guilt by association… who we hang out with says something about us, to a certain extent. All of us here have a few things in common, most importantly a love and appreciation for pianos, music, and the arts. We also have differences among us…

There are some very bight, intelligent and knowledgeable folks here. I have learned so much about pianos (and people smile ) since I have been a member here that sometimes it goes to my head and I think I really know something about pianos (and people); but in reality, I know that I’ve only scratched the surface.

Yes, at times rudeness does occur among members. Yes, sometimes snipping and bickering does occur. I don’t like to see it, but it does happen. I do not think it is necessary for healthy debate. As a moderator, I’ve matured a bit and though I don’t like to see the rudeness and bickering, I know it can be somewhat of a byproduct of debate and argument. Not that I condone rudeness or hatefulness in any way, shape, form or fashion.

Fact is, I’ve gotten my feathers ruffled here a time or two and maybe showed a less polite side of me. It happens to us all. I prefer to show my best side and my best manners. I wrote a song once entitled "you bring out the best in me" smile . I prefer to show by best side all the time. I suppose we all show our true colors from time to time (some more than others smile ).

However, I think most of us here have integrity and can argue and debate without getting nasty.

All in all, the Piano World forums are a great place to hang out… and, guilt by association is not a bad thing on Piano World! smile

Rick
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#1940620 - 08/10/12 10:51 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Dave B Online   content
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Registered: 08/01/11
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Waddayamean, same malady as the tuner/tech forum? We are civil gentlemen and ladies, compared to the heated rancorous sentiments that are slung around this Piano Forum.

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#1940686 - 08/11/12 03:05 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Dave B]
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I'm on a Pro Audio/sound forum that doesn't allow postings by anyone not using their full name. No handles, nicknames or anonymous posters.

It seems to lessen the hit & run anonymous 20 somethings and other children that imo have turned the social media internet into a nightmare.

I don't know if this would have an effect here but generally people seem more civil and mature (certainly there) when they're not hiding behind some anonymous handle.

Of course what's to stop someone from posting under the name of John Lennon or Igor Stravinsky... wink

Just a thought.
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#1940750 - 08/11/12 08:30 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Dave,

Loss of anonymity would indeed reduce drive-by trolling. But you have been here long enough to remember lots of heated threads where the featured players were the long time regulars. smile
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#1940760 - 08/11/12 09:36 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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just don't argue ridiculously..


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#1940761 - 08/11/12 09:51 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Registered: 07/28/09
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Loc: Nashville, TN
I'm all for lively debate, challenges of someones opinion, correcting errors in posts, etc. What I don't like is the personal nature of attacks. Just keep it about pianos and not about personal attacks and we will all be fine. Lively debate, sure, personal attacks are over the line. Typed communication in general is inferior to face to face conversation because you can't see the non-verbal ques or facial expression. When you write a response your intended tone could be different than you come across just because of the limited nature of the written word as opposed to face to face communication. Keep this in mind when you post, re-read your posts before you actually post them and try to see your post through the other readers eyes. If it's personal - edit, edit, edit until it's not.


Edited by Pianolance (08/11/12 09:57 AM)
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#1940762 - 08/11/12 09:56 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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Dave Ferris,

I could not agree with something more than that statement. Other than the one where I said I wAs PErfect.... smile That would indeed eliminate trolling. I've been in here about 6 years now and the worst posts have come from people with screwy names that pop in, post something and pop out again just to watch what is said after that. Wish Frank would implement that one.

Jerry, not my real name in a fake world. haha
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#1940774 - 08/11/12 10:21 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Good point about using our real names... Of course, in some cases, even those who use their real names can get rather nasty at times. And, it is a nice option to be anonymous here if we choose.

Okay, my real name is Ricky Henson... no kin to Jim Henson, creator of the Muppets (though I wish I were smile ).

Why I came up with a silly forum name like Rickster when I first joined Piano World I'll never know. When I took Spanish in high school my class name was Ricardo; maybe I should have went with Ricardo or perhaps Rikki Tikki Tavi. smile

Rick
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#1940799 - 08/11/12 11:13 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Mike Carr Offline
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Wow!

It seems that this forum has been infected with the same malady which is common in the Tuner/Tech forum.

Bickering - Sniping - Rudness - Cheap Shots - Diarrhea of the Mouth - One Upmanship - Being an Authority on Everything - Vendettas
Hey Gang - Let's consider using some maners and being more civil.

When you feel the need to tighten the laces on your boxing gloves, take it into a PM sparring ring.



Gosh, Marty, that sounds like a lotta fun. Where do I sign up?

Aren't these moaning mona or in this case moaning marty threads really from people who can’t stand to be disagreed with?

They try to cover it up with calls for civility, etc, but at the end of the day they’re pretty much in love with their own opinions and thoughts and those of their buddies and by god they’re just damn sick and tired of anyone disagreeing with them.


Mike
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#1940812 - 08/11/12 11:48 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Dave Ferris]
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In response to the Dave Ferris post, my local on-line newspaper converted from allowing anonymous or pseudonym posts to requiring posters to use their facebook names. The resulting change in the quality of the posting was dramatic (and positive). I would like to see that on PW. shocked

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#1940816 - 08/11/12 11:58 AM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Mike Carr]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Carr
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Wow!

It seems that this forum has been infected with the same malady which is common in the Tuner/Tech forum.

Bickering - Sniping - Rudness - Cheap Shots - Diarrhea of the Mouth - One Upmanship - Being an Authority on Everything - Vendettas
Hey Gang - Let's consider using some maners and being more civil.

When you feel the need to tighten the laces on your boxing gloves, take it into a PM sparring ring.



Gosh, Marty, that sounds like a lotta fun. Where do I sign up?

Aren't these moaning mona or in this case moaning marty threads really from people who can’t stand to be disagreed with?

They try to cover it up with calls for civility, etc, but at the end of the day they’re pretty much in love with their own opinions and thoughts and those of their buddies and by god they’re just damn sick and tired of anyone disagreeing with them.


Mike


Honestly Mike you cannot be serious. I can count less than 10 active members (people who have posted over time) since I have became a member of PW (in 1998) that have been rebuked by the owner of the site himself. Remember this?

Originally Posted By: Frank Baxter
Mike,

If you were trying to derail this thread with your usual ranting, proffered as though they were expert advice and not just the personal opinions of someone who manages to find something negative in just about any post... you've succeeded. Congratulations, I'm locking this thread.

I'm tired of listening to you whine when you don't agree with someone on the forums, which seems to be most of the time. You are in my house when you are here, show some respect.

Consider that a warning, and know that I don't give multiple warnings.


If you remember I coaxed Frank into NOT banning you around that time Mike. There are moments that I regret that action.

The problem here is that sometimes you have good advice and sometimes you have good insight, but it is so filled with vitriol, bitterness, conspiracy theory, and suspicion (not just sometimes, but consistently). You tend to blur your perspective with unnecessary insults, inaccurate characterizations, and plain negativity that it is often difficult to get to any meat in your posts.

Mike, I have to say clearly that in this thread... and in many others... you are the problem.

I await your predictable insults and vitriol.
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#1940822 - 08/11/12 12:19 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Rich Galassini]
Mike Carr Offline
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Quote:
If you remember I coaxed Frank into NOT banning you around that time Mike. There are moments that I regret that action.



Aw, shucks, Rich, I had no idea. I didn't know you cared. It's truly humbling to have a giant of the piano industry in my corner. I think I'm going to cry. Is lunch still on?

Mike
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#1940823 - 08/11/12 12:20 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Originally Posted By: Rich Galassini
I await your predictable insults and vitriol.


I enjoy Mark's brand of commentary. He doesn't make me cry... how about you?
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#1940825 - 08/11/12 12:27 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Guapo Gabacho]
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Originally Posted By: Guapo Gabacho
Originally Posted By: Rich Galassini
I await your predictable insults and vitriol.


I enjoy Mark's brand of commentary. He doesn't make me cry... how about you?


Birds of a feather...


Rich, I couldn't agree with you more.
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#1940829 - 08/11/12 12:32 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Steve Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Cohen
Birds of a feather...




That's us I guess, not here for the profit it can generate.
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#1940839 - 08/11/12 12:59 PM Re: What Is Going On in Piano Forum? [Re: Guapo Gabacho]
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Originally Posted By: Guapo Gabacho
Originally Posted By: Steve Cohen
Birds of a feather...




That's us I guess, not here for the profit it can generate.


I rest my case.

Here is a prime example of the rudness and sarchasm which people seem to enjoy. And, I'm certainly not referring to Steve or Rich.
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