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#1945580 - 08/19/12 02:39 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: HeirborneGroupie]
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Originally Posted By: HeirborneGroupie
OK. That's where the major comes in!!!

OK the second half of 57 beat one has a D#dim triad with an added C#. How do I name that.

Never mind I miss read the score.

is it just D#dim?

You name that a D# dim triad with a passing C# minor chord.
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#1945581 - 08/19/12 02:41 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: HeirborneGroupie]
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OK. Finally I have a guess.

57. beat one Amaj7, D#dim
beat 2 G#7, C#m


Well done, Carol.
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#1945583 - 08/19/12 02:44 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: HeirborneGroupie
OK. That's where the major comes in!!!

OK the second half of 57 beat one has a D#dim triad with an added C#. How do I name that.

Never mind I miss read the score.

is it just D#dim?

You name that a D# dim triad with a passing C# minor chord.


Richard, huh? I thought Carol meant a single C#, not a whole extra chord. Are you thinking about something in the score, or speaking hypothetically? What is your definition of passing chord?

Carol, I agree with your four chords for m. 57.
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#1945585 - 08/19/12 02:45 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Not quite. Check the key signature and the thirds of each of these chords.


doh, i cant remember for the six seconds it took me to go over to the computer that the natural wasn't on the D. - Headslap.
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#1945587 - 08/19/12 02:48 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: HeirborneGroupie
OK. That's where the major comes in!!!

OK the second half of 57 beat one has a D#dim triad with an added C#. How do I name that.

Never mind I miss read the score.

is it just D#dim?

You name that a D# dim triad with a passing C# minor chord.


Richard, huh? I thought Carol meant a single C#, not a whole extra chord. Are you thinking about something in the score, or speaking hypothetically? What is your definition of passing chord?

Carol, I agree with your four chords for m. 57.


My definition is the last triplet group in m. 57 being C#, E, G# being off the beat.
That's a passing chord.
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#1945594 - 08/19/12 03:05 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: zrtf90]
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Woo Hoo!!! I made it through that one with a lot of help. Thanks again everyone.

I'm going to be away from my computer for a bit. I'll be back later.
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#1945597 - 08/19/12 03:09 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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(in reply to Richard about passing chords.)

OK, so it seems to me that a passing chord is not the same insignificance as a passing note. A passing note (along with a few other characteristics) is a note that is not part of the harmony. But I think there are several examples of passing chords in this piece which are important parts of the harmonic progression. AIUI you implied early on in this thread that the passing chords didn't have to be written down. But if you leave them out here, you miss the giant circle of fifths progression which is happening, and you miss being able to point out how the harmonic rhythm speeds up here for a measure.


Edited by PianoStudent88 (08/19/12 03:11 PM)
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#1945599 - 08/19/12 03:12 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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I posted this one earlier, but this thread is so busy. I was following along with Carols coaching and was getting more frustrated by the moment ...

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I'm going to have a go at 57 too ...

Beat1; F#m/C#, A6b5/D#
Beat2; G#7/B#, C#m



Quote:
Originally Posted By: HeirborneGroupie
OK. Finally I have a guess.

57. beat one Amaj7, D#dim
beat 2 G#7, C#m


Well done, Carol.


OK I see this now. Great job Carol.

Another error in my memory score. I had both triplets incorrect in the 1st beat, and I still can't read yet cry sick
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#1945608 - 08/19/12 03:24 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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58. F#min6 (expect a bunch of discussion here)

59. C#min G#min7


have to go our for a while, but back this evening.
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#1945611 - 08/19/12 03:33 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
(in reply to Richard about passing chords.)

OK, so it seems to me that a passing chord is not the same insignificance as a passing note. A passing note (along with a few other characteristics) is a note that is not part of the harmony. But I think there are several examples of passing chords in this piece which are important parts of the harmonic progression. AIUI you implied early on in this thread that the passing chords didn't have to be written down. But if you leave them out here, you miss the giant circle of fifths progression which is happening, and you miss being able to point out how the harmonic rhythm speeds up here for a measure.


Then let's write them down here and examine this rather wonderful sequence down to the subdominant in isolation.
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#1945614 - 08/19/12 03:42 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Beat 1: A6b5 (WRONG)
Beat 2: C#m9/G#, Ab5/F# (WRONG)



Edited by Greener (08/19/12 06:19 PM)
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#1945622 - 08/19/12 03:53 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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I'm waiting until we get through m.60 to examine it.
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#1945625 - 08/19/12 04:00 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Beat 1: A6b5 (no jeff, f#m6)
Beat 2: C#m9/G#, Ab5/F# (see above)

59. C#m9 / G# (WRONG - Check score you are playing these triplets wrong ... it is C#m/G#; beat two G#)

60. Cm


Edited by Greener (08/19/12 06:22 PM)
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#1945629 - 08/19/12 04:13 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
58

Beat 1: A6b5
Beat 2: C#m9/G#, Ab5/F#


Bar 58: beat 1
step 1 list the notes: Bass A, ost. F# C# D#, melody F#
step 2 remove dups: A F# C# D#
step 3 keyboard order: A C# D# F#
step 4 Write down variants:
1) A C# D# F#; 2) C# D# F# A; 3) D# F# A C#; 4) F# A C# D#

examine possibilites
1) A C# (major third, promising), D# (plus fourth - not so good), F# (plus 6th - very unusual)
2) C# D# (a second is not promising - move on.)
3) D# F# (minor third) A (diminished fifth) C# (seventh) = D# m7b5
4) F# A (minor third) C# (perfect fifth - very promising) D# (and a sixth - bingo) = F#m6

2) D# F# A C# = D# m7b5 or
4) F# A C# D# = F# minor 6

Add bass note etc.
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#1945631 - 08/19/12 04:14 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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59. C#m G#7

60. C#m

61. G#7


Edited by JimF (08/19/12 05:31 PM)
Edit Reason: because when you rush you do dumbi stuff like forget accidentals
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#1945633 - 08/19/12 04:15 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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62.C#m
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#1945638 - 08/19/12 04:25 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: JimF]
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Based on your previous answers, JimF, I assume your 59. beat 2 G# MINOR 7 was from overlooking the sharp again!?
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#1945639 - 08/19/12 04:27 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: JimF]
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62.C#m

I think you'll find that chord crops up a lot now, JimF.

PianoStudent88 thinks our time might be better spent on closer examination the the sequence from 56 to 58.

Sharpen your tools!
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#1945645 - 08/19/12 04:50 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: HeirborneGroupie
OK. That's where the major comes in!!!

OK the second half of 57 beat one has a D#dim triad with an added C#. How do I name that.

Never mind I miss read the score.

is it just D#dim?

You name that a D# dim triad with a passing C# minor chord.


Richard, huh? I thought Carol meant a single C#, not a whole extra chord. Are you thinking about something in the score, or speaking hypothetically? What is your definition of passing chord?

Carol, I agree with your four chords for m. 57.


I got confused there, PianoStudent88, and looked up at bar 57 beat 2 on the score and saw the C# minor chord. My mistake.

I'm feeling a bit bombarded here. smile
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#1945646 - 08/19/12 04:50 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Quote:

Bar 58: beat 1
step 1 list the notes: Bass A, ost. F# C# D#, melody F#
step 2 remove dups: A F# C# D#
step 3 keyboard order: A C# D# F#
step 4 Write down variants:
1) A C# D# F#; 2) C# D# F# A; 3) D# F# A C#; 4) F# A C# D#

[quote]examine possibilites
1) A C# (major third, promising), D# (plus fourth - not so good), F# (plus 6th - very unusual)
2) C# D# (a second is not promising - move on.)
3) D# F# (minor third) A (diminished fifth) C# (seventh) = D# m7b5
4) F# A (minor third) C# (perfect fifth - very promising) D# (and a sixth - bingo) = F#m6

2) D# F# A C# = D# m7b5 or
4) F# A C# D# = F# minor 6

Add bass note etc.


saw the F#m6, particularly after Jim posted it (he is seldom wrong :), I should have just stuck with him) But, this would thus be F#m6/A, correct?

I was trying to use a chord without having to denote /x, not sure why but that is where my thinking was.

I also see the F#m6 for the last triad. But the first triad of the second beat ... no

Now I will apply this analysis to the other measures (sorry I am so slow with this) and figure out why I keep missing this.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOU ARE PLAYING THE WRONG NOTES


Edited by Greener (08/19/12 06:30 PM)
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#1945651 - 08/19/12 04:59 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Not to muddy the waters, but I'd like to take a side trip to explore the pesky diminished 7. Like many people, when I learned it, it was presented as a neat stack of four circles on four lines or spaces, which automatically makes it a pile of thirds, and it had the right kinds of accidentals to make them all minor thirds. You recognize it visually, and the skipped letter names make it easy too. But then when I started to analyze music, not all dim7's were written that way. They still sounded right, and the intervals on the keyboard still looked right. The composers had good reasons each time for spelling the dim7 in some other way. I would have liked to know this from the start, because I had to rethink the dim7.

So here's an exploration in a side trip for those who are interested.

Let's explore what an interval is first. It has two aspects: the sound we hear which is also the distance between two notes. A minor third has a particular sound that some people call "sad", and the notes are three half steps apart. If you play C, then go up a half step to the next black key (Cb or D#), then the next white key (D), then the next black key (Eb) then you've traveled three piano keys or three half steps.

The second aspect is the name we give it, and that depends on the letters and where the notes are in your music. If the notes are written as CEb then you have a minor third because 3 letter names are involved. If the notes are written as CD#, then you are pressing the same piano keys, you get the same sound, but this time it's NAMED "augmented 2nd".

So if we have a dim7, we can have Db F Ab Cb. Db to F is a minor third. F to Ab is a minor third. Ab to Cb is a minor third. But sometimes in music we might see what looks like a second rather than a third in the music: Db F Ab B for example --- for whatever reason the composer has. Ab B is an augmented 2nd. It still has the minor third sound. You'll hear the same dim7 sound for the whole chord.

I think the reason they teach it in the books as "stacked thirds" is because it's easier. Then later on when we run into different spellings we're supposed to make the adjustment and expand our definition. So I might stay with the stacked thirds ideas for as long as it works, but be ready to move past it when we encounter something different in the music.

Btw -- another nifty thing about the dim7 is that it always has two tritones, which means it really wants to move and become something else. In C# E G Bb, C#E is a tritone, and so is EBb. The properties of the dim7 makes it a handy chord for moving things around, which is exactly what Beethoven does in the development section. If you have a seven chord (C#7) then right away you expect it to go to a precise place. The dim7 keeps you guessing.

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#1945657 - 08/19/12 05:23 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Thank you, keystring, for elucidating that for us.

It's an awkward little chord to get a handle on and it often takes several attempts before the pennies finally drop and we can actually to understand it and how it works.

In the meantime, I believe there's a pygmy tribe in Africa called the Hekawi. I feel like one of them at the moment.

They jump up and down in the long grass and shout "we're the Hekawi". smile

Have we done up to bar 60 yet?
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#1945664 - 08/19/12 05:41 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: zrtf90]
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Based on your previous answers, JimF, I assume your 59. beat 2 G# MINOR 7 was from overlooking the sharp again!?



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#1945666 - 08/19/12 05:42 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Yes, done up to 60.
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#1945669 - 08/19/12 05:52 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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I think all the dim7 chords in this movement have precise spellings and notation in the score that correspond to stacked minor thirds and correspond precisely to where the music goes next. I've got a chorus concert now, so I'll be back later to check all the dim7 chords and see if I'm right about that, and also to talk about the giant circle of fifths progression in mm. 56-58.
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#1945672 - 08/19/12 05:54 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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If we are still mucking about in meas.58 my thoughts (F#m6) were that it just felt like the F#m6 throughout even though it took a little side trip to what I might have called G#sus4 at the start of beat two, and then returned to F#m6 for the rest of the beat.


Edited by JimF (08/19/12 05:55 PM)
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#1945677 - 08/19/12 06:02 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: PianoStudent88]
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I've got a chorus concert now, so I'll be back later to check all the dim7 chords and see if I'm right about that, and also to talk about the giant circle of fifths progression in mm. 56-58.

Enjoy your concert!

I look forward to you circle of fifths discussion.

In the meantime then shall we crack to the very end? We don't have far to go now.
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#1945681 - 08/19/12 06:04 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Analysis summary of bars 51-60

51. C# minor, C# major
52. F#minor 6/C# (or D major 7/C# or) , F# minor (+ aug 4)
53. C# major
54. F#minor 6/C# (or D major 7/C# or) , F# minor (+ aug 4)
55. C# major, F# minor
56. B 7/D#

56. d. E major
57. a. A maj.7/C#
57. b. D# dim (B7 without a root)
57. c. G# 7/B#
57. d. C# minor

58. F# minor 6/A, G# sus 4
59. C# minor/G#, G# 7
60. C# minor
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The second subject returns now, also with small changes including a wonderful little step pattern from 56 through 57 to the subdominant in 58 (reminiscent of bar 4) and leads gently to the tonic with a sense of closure.

We're to discuss this in a little more detail later.
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#1945683 - 08/19/12 06:06 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: PianoStudent88]
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I think all the dim7 chords in this movement have precise spellings and notation in the score that correspond to stacked minor thirds and correspond precisely to where the music goes next.

Yes, they do have spellings in thirds.

I gave additional information because I wished I had known this when I learned about dim7's, and it seemed interesting. If it confuses anyone, just disregard it.

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#1945708 - 08/19/12 06:43 PM Re: Moonlight Sonata First Mvmnt study thread [Re: thurisaz]
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Have been pondering over m63 for a while now. At the bench it has a G#7 feel throughout, but the A's don't fit there unless we call them passing or some kind of extension. Or I guess it could be a B#dim7 over a G# pedal point, but that kind of minimizes the pervasive sound of those G# resonating in the bass. I'm stumped.
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