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#1947689 - 08/23/12 08:14 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
I miss the Wendl & Lung. Yes, I know, nee Feurich. I just liked the name. Sort of properly British. Less Teutonic. Reminded me of Knight and Kemble. Alas.



That's funny, because to be Wendl & Lung sounds every bit as Germanic as Feurich. Certainly doesn't sound British to me. And yes, I do speak fluent German.


Not to me. I always thought that spoken German sounded like a throat desease, rather than a language, anyway. At least in the USA, I've never heard it pronounced fVendel und Luung.


Well, I'm sure you're not pronouncing Feurich anything like a German speaker would either. "Not to me" doesn't even enter into it if you have no knowledge of German. I'll add that that was a pretty insulting way to speak about a language, Marty. Perhaps you're not as pure as the driven snow after all. Any language can be made beautiful or ugly. There is plenty of beautiful German. I've heard exquisite German spoken in films and plays.

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#1947698 - 08/23/12 08:28 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Ando, you cannot possibly know anything about me. Don't assume you do.

I expressed a light hearted quip, and you decided to attack.
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#1947703 - 08/23/12 08:45 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Ando, you cannot possibly know anything about me. Don't assume you do.

I expressed a light hearted quip, and you decided to attack.


You are so sensitive to quips from others, telling people how to behave, what's insulting. etc. but when you do it, it's just light-hearted. You are becoming a parody of yourself, Marty.

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#1947719 - 08/23/12 09:23 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
Rich, please get a tripod. wink


You are absolutely right, Sam. I need one.

In the meantime, here is another photo I have in my laptop that shows the bridge placement clearer. (I know it still isn't great). Compare the lower side of the treble bridge in particular. That is very different. It lacks what many have nicknamed "the hockey stick" bridge in favor of a longer and thinner string at this point.

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#1947722 - 08/23/12 09:33 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Ando, you cannot possibly know anything about me. Don't assume you do.

I expressed a light hearted quip, and you decided to attack.


You are so sensitive to quips from others, telling people how to behave, what's insulting. etc. but when you do it, it's just light-hearted. You are becoming a parody of yourself, Marty.


I said that I merely missed the name. Nothing more, nothing less. I do hope that your comprehension of German is better than of English.
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#1947723 - 08/23/12 09:34 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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good, though unintended point.

The really proper pronunciation of Feurich is FOY' rich with the "ch" sound being produced in the back of your throat. Sort of like (but softer) the ch in christmas.

Americans have a terrible time with this. FOY'rish is also acceptable.

It is not F'yer ick.


Edited by BoseEric (08/23/12 09:37 AM)
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#1947729 - 08/23/12 09:51 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Ando, you cannot possibly know anything about me. Don't assume you do.

I expressed a light hearted quip, and you decided to attack.


You are so sensitive to quips from others, telling people how to behave, what's insulting. etc. but when you do it, it's just light-hearted. You are becoming a parody of yourself, Marty.


I said that I merely missed the name. Nothing more, nothing less. I do hope that your comprehension of German is better than of English.


Keep trying, Marty, you'll get there eventually. thumb

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#1947739 - 08/23/12 10:04 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: BoseEric]
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But Eric,

In English speaking countries, how is Wendl & Lung pronounced? That is what ando is all bent out of shape about. Not me!
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#1947742 - 08/23/12 10:06 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
But Eric,

In English speaking countries, how is Wendl & Lung pronounced? That is what ando is all bent out of shape about. Not me!


I am not Eric, but I can help, Marty.

It is pronounced "Wehn-duhl & Luhng".
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#1947752 - 08/23/12 10:14 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Thanks Rich,

That's how I pronounce it and have heard the same from dealers when W&L was available. It sounds more British than Germanic to me. I.e.; fVen-del und Luung.

Thanks for possibly ending some useless sniping.
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#1947780 - 08/23/12 11:18 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Thanks Rich,

That's how I pronounce it and have heard the same from dealers when W&L was available. It sounds more British than Germanic to me. I.e.; fVen-del und Luung.

Thanks for possibly ending some useless sniping.


Uummm.... actually you are correct in the German pronunciation, Marty. I was giving you the typical Americans pronunciation.

Sorry about that.
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#1947782 - 08/23/12 11:19 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Check out this link. You can type the text (deactivate the translate checkbox) and a speaker will pronounce it on German, English or whatever you want. Lot of fun! BTW, most of my customers thought that Wendl is the Austrian and Lung the Chinese grin

http://imtranslator.net/translate-and-speak/

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#1947786 - 08/23/12 11:24 AM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
But Eric,

In English speaking countries, how is Wendl & Lung pronounced? That is what ando is all bent out of shape about. Not me!


Not bent out of shape, Marty, it's just that your comments about English pronunciation are simply irrelevant. There is anglicised pronunciation of most foreign names, but that doesn't change the fact that Wendl & Lung is of Germanic origin, hence your belief in its innate Englishness being your own fantasy. You saying "not to me" doesn't factor into it.

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#1947853 - 08/23/12 01:18 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
But Eric,

In English speaking countries, how is Wendl & Lung pronounced? That is what ando is all bent out of shape about. Not me!


Not bent out of shape, Marty, it's just that your comments about English pronunciation are simply irrelevant. There is anglicised pronunciation of most foreign names, but that doesn't change the fact that Wendl & Lung is of Germanic origin, hence your belief in its innate Englishness being your own fantasy. You saying "not to me" doesn't factor into it.


Yes, IT DOES!

My only experience with the piano is in the United States of America and not in Germany, or Austria, as translated by a Chinese manufacturer. What I hear when I see the name is what I heard from the sales staff at PianoForte in Chicago and it certainly was not Germanic in sound. Period.

IT DOES FACTOR INTO IT - THAT IS THE POINT

Shouting is necessary to penetrate very thick substances.

When I started a thread about members treating each other with civility and manners, your behavior is exactly one of the the rude and annoying practices I mentioned. Apparently the only way to get through your self-assumed superiority and judgement is to decend to the level of the responses which I was trying to diminish.

I can only assume that you are on the "let's get Marty" tirade is because you recognize in yourself what I was attempting to avert. Or, maybe you are totally clueless.
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#1947886 - 08/23/12 02:03 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Marty,

Many of the regulars and pros here know Eric well. he has forgotten more than many of us know, and he is a true gentleman. That is not solely my opinion, but that of every single person he and I know in common.

You are way off base here.
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#1947892 - 08/23/12 02:12 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
But Eric,

In English speaking countries, how is Wendl & Lung pronounced? That is what ando is all bent out of shape about. Not me!


Not bent out of shape, Marty, it's just that your comments about English pronunciation are simply irrelevant. There is anglicised pronunciation of most foreign names, but that doesn't change the fact that Wendl & Lung is of Germanic origin, hence your belief in its innate Englishness being your own fantasy. You saying "not to me" doesn't factor into it.


Yes, IT DOES!

My only experience with the piano is in the United States of America and not in Germany, or Austria, as translated by a Chinese manufacturer. What I hear when I see the name is what I heard from the sales staff at PianoForte in Chicago and it certainly was not Germanic in sound. Period.


It's very clear from the spelling. "Wendl" or "Lung" looks English to you?

Ok, so you want it to be a matter of opinion? Fine, I can accept that. But if I came to you and said, "I love the good old-fashioned American sound of 'Ying Tang's BBQ dumplings', I'd have to expect my opinion to be challenged by you - regardless of how much I insist that it sounds American to me.

Quote:
IT DOES FACTOR INTO IT - THAT IS THE POINT

Shouting is necessary to penetrate very thick substances.

When I started a thread about members treating each other with civility and manners, your behavior is exactly one of the the rude and annoying practices I mentioned. Apparently the only way to get through your self-assumed superiority and judgement is to decend to the level of the responses which I was trying to diminish.


Actually that's just hypocritical. You are doing what you claim to be unacceptable.

But you do amuse me, Marty. Your need to have the last word in every situation. In another thread you're disputing facts with people with qualifications in air-conditioning, but it doesn't stop you from arguing in your own inimitable way "but for me it works this way..." In this thread it's the same, you are using ignorance of German language as a defence. "For me it's English..." It's the same situation.

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I can only assume that you are on the "let's get Marty" tirade is because you recognize in yourself what I was attempting to avert. Or, maybe you are totally clueless.


I could handle your rantings if you weren't constantly commenting on how other people should behave. Speaking as though you are above all that, yet descending into it anyway - but decrying how you were driven to it by savage members bent on defaming you. You are not the embodiment of the ideals you espouse in your "let's be lovely to one another thread". It's becoming a problem on this forum. How can I put this delicately for you? People are talking about you, Marty. I honestly don't believe you can stop yourself. You are a posting machine. (550+ posts in 3 months). Just as you like to have your opinions, you have to let others have theirs too. Let's just see if you can leave this post alone, shall we?

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#1947907 - 08/23/12 02:39 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Thanks for the props, Steve, but I don't think I'm the target. (And people wonder why more manufacturers don't post on PW!)
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#1947921 - 08/23/12 02:59 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Steve Cohen]
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Eric,

I'm sorry if I offended you or you took it that way. I was doing nothing more than asking about the way that Wendl & Lung was pronounced. Nothing more.

You have my full respect and I thought that if anyone knew it would be you!

I just commented that I am saddened by the demise of the name as I had thought of it as a rather elegant moniker. Nothing more. Since my experience with the brand was only through a Chicago dealership, mine was a very "English" pronounciation. It had nothing to do with Feurich as a brand. I liked the W&L's and I like the present Feurichs.

Again, I am sorry.
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#1947927 - 08/23/12 03:06 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Steve Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Cohen
Marty,

Many of the regulars and pros here know Eric well. he has forgotten more than many of us know, and he is a true gentleman. That is not solely my opinion, but that of every single person he and I know in common.

You are way off base here.


Steve, let me assure you that Eric has my full respect.

My comments were solely about ando harranguing at me because I understood the pronounciation Wendl & Lung as pronounced in English. I have never ever even considered it in German. I asked which was correct based on my familiarity with how it was pronounced.

It was not directed at Eric at all.
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#1947990 - 08/23/12 05:05 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Gentlemen, I must confess that I have not been following this thread, but please do not let it get too far out of hand.

Marty’s posts are valuable, ando’s posts are valuable and BoseEric’s posts are valuable (and Steve’s posts are valuable smile )

Why don’t we all back off and cool off a little…

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#1947999 - 08/23/12 05:17 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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All I can say is "boy was I pronouncing Feurich wrong!" Most Rock musicians are familiar with the brand Behringer, but I would bet that nearly 100% of them pronounce it with a "soft" G - like you would use in bridge, but technically it should be pronounced with a "hard" g like in gold. You know what? If I ever get a Feurich I think I will just go on pronouncing it "wrong" because that sounds right to me. That's the same thing I do with Behringer.
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#1948003 - 08/23/12 05:21 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Steve Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Cohen


Many of the regulars and pros here know Eric well. he has forgotten more than many of us know, and he is a true gentleman. That is not solely my opinion, but that of every single person he and I know in common.


More specifically, Eric's work for Feurich including his writinga on his own web site and what he has written for Feurich's web site in the US, has been completely upfront in revealing the Ningbo connection. It's a far cry from Perzina's claims of European manufacture or W & L and Brodmann's claims to some vague European heritage. If I had any doubts about Feurich, it would be about its capability to manufacuture pianos in Germany, not whether it could possibly beat Hailun at its own game. Mother Hailun has had a lot of distributor problems in NA and can't seem to get out of its own way in establishing a dealer network with good coverage and minimum standards of service and prep. It's not the gold standard by any means.
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#1948047 - 08/23/12 07:07 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Mother Hailun has had a lot of distributor problems in NA and can't seem to get out of its own way in establishing a dealer network with good coverage and minimum standards of service and prep. It's not the gold standard by any means.


At the expense of sounding defensive I don't know what is meant by that. Also don't know what the 'gold standard' is.

Small point but worth elaborating perhaps?

Does any of this have any impact on the quality and value of pianos on market?

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#1948067 - 08/23/12 07:45 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Well, I have a "real" Feurich from WWI era, completely restored by the Feurich factory, and it is phenomenal, but I still do not know how to properly pronounce the name. frown
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#1948077 - 08/23/12 08:08 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Well BoseEric just told you how to pronounce it about 15 posts above.

This is your lucky day.

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#1948083 - 08/23/12 08:20 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Furtwangler]
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I still can't get it right. Pronouncing non-English words with the proper inflection has never been my strong suit.
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#1948093 - 08/23/12 08:27 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: rocket88]
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Originally Posted By: rocket88

I still can't get it right. Pronouncing non-English words with the proper inflection has never been my strong suit.


You must be British. They refuse to even try.

"Paella" becomes "Pay-ella"

"Don Quixote" they pronounce "Don Kwixett"

You gotta love 'em.

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#1948103 - 08/23/12 08:44 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Ando, you cannot possibly know anything about me. Don't assume you do.

I expressed a light hearted quip, and you decided to attack.


You are so sensitive to quips from others, telling people how to behave, what's insulting. etc. but when you do it, it's just light-hearted. You are becoming a parody of yourself, Marty.


[Irony Alert: Readers with an irony deficiency may find the following unsuitable to their sensibilities.]

Dear Ando,

Welcome to Springfield!!! In 'M in M', PW has its very own Ned Flanders, and while I admit that our singular Minnesotan has been all over the PW forum like a rash in recent times, I would submit that we must be tolerant to diversity and accept his presence and contributions for what they often are--comedy. That said, I don't think Flanders doubled up as the local cop, so maybe the analogy is imperfect.

Yours in hybrid amusement/consternation,

P.
[End of Swiftian intervention]

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#1948107 - 08/23/12 08:50 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: Furtwangler]
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Originally Posted By: Furtwangler
Originally Posted By: rocket88

I still can't get it right. Pronouncing non-English words with the proper inflection has never been my strong suit.


You must be British. They refuse to even try.


Nope, not even close.
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#1948124 - 08/23/12 09:48 PM Re: Feurich vs Hailun [Re: elil]
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Turandot, you are forcing me to re-evaluate my whole web strategy. Who would have thought people would read the stuff!
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