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#2026280 - 02/03/13 11:37 AM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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I think you are right, it is most definitively a minor chord and it should be ii, not II smile
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#2026778 - 02/04/13 09:16 AM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: Jean-Luc]
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I must be learning something then! There's no way I would have picked up on this a couple months ago, and a couple months before that it would have been absolute gibberish.
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#2027587 - 02/05/13 05:40 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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Hopefully you guys can help me.

I'm learning chords in a pattern. I learned the c chords and did the pattern like this: RH: ceg, egc, gce, ceg LH: ceg, egc, gce, ceg.

Now I'm to add the E major. So I'm not sure I have this right.

so I would go RH: eg#a, g#ae, aeg#, eg#a

Um is that right?? I'm just inverting the Icord correct? So lost here HELP!
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#2027592 - 02/05/13 05:53 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: BeccaBb]
aTallGuyNH Offline
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Originally Posted By: BeccaBb
Hopefully you guys can help me.

I'm learning chords in a pattern. I learned the c chords and did the pattern like this: RH: ceg, egc, gce, ceg LH: ceg, egc, gce, ceg.

Now I'm to add the E major. So I'm not sure I have this right.

so I would go RH: eg#a, g#ae, aeg#, eg#a

Um is that right?? I'm just inverting the Icord correct? So lost here HELP!

eg#b.

The inversions looked fine though.
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#2027595 - 02/05/13 05:56 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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LOL yes I meant b. smile

Thanks. It's my first time figuring out inversions on my own.
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#2027728 - 02/05/13 09:35 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: BeccaBb]
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Originally Posted By: BeccaBb
LOL yes I meant b. smile

Thanks. It's my first time figuring out inversions on my own.

I was thinking, "I don't even need to go to the piano to know that would be one ugly sounding chord!" smile
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#2027729 - 02/05/13 09:37 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: BeccaBb]
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That's great Becca, you will find that using inversions can be fun and smooths out somethings by not having to jump all over to play chord progressions. Maybe just moving two fingers instead of your whole hand to a new position. grin
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#2027745 - 02/05/13 10:25 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask your theory questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH
Originally Posted By: BeccaBb
LOL yes I meant b. smile

Thanks. It's my first time figuring out inversions on my own.

I was thinking, "I don't even need to go to the piano to know that would be one ugly sounding chord!"


Perhaps better to go to the piano though. By changing the B in the e major to an A instead (ie. E, G#, A) you've got the makings of an Amaj7. Just add a C# and you have the entire Amaj7. Move the notes around or spread them out. But, any way that you can find to play this chord, it is going to sound very hip and nice. Not ugly at all.

Of course, this is entirely off topic of the E major. Just pointing this out though, as sometimes what looks like it may be ugly on paper, is not that way at all.
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#2029223 - 02/08/13 09:19 AM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask your theory questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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I gotta say, without the C# in there, I'm still standing by my original conclusion smile

With the C#, that is one seriously awkward chord to play, for all inversions. At least under my fingers.
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#2029273 - 02/08/13 12:00 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask your theory questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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Thanks Ragdoll! That is exactly why my teacher is having me start to do inversions. I was having issues with my chord changes in Greensleeves. It's getting better now. smile

Greener, okay so if I have this right it's E, G#, A, C#?
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#2029285 - 02/08/13 12:48 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask your theory questions here! [Re: BeccaBb]
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Originally Posted By: BeccaBb

Greener, okay so if I have this right it's E, G#, A, C#?

These notes make up an Amaj7 in it's second inversion. If I saw this (Amaj7) in a score I would make sure I have A in my bass.

I may have complicating things. Sorry if I have.

All your inversions of the E major triad, including the notes E,G#,B are correct.

I was trying to point out that when we accidentally included the A, it is not necessarily going to turn it into an ugly chord, just a different chord and sound. We are very close to having an Amaj7, which is nice sounding chord.

A, C#, E, G# = Amaj7

Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH

With the C#, that is one seriously awkward chord to play, for all inversions. At least under my fingers.


OK try this:
Keep the E major triad, but add a C# in your right hand.

So, RH reading bottom up is E,G#,B,C#

Now put this over an A bass in your LH.

Unless I am loosing my mind (it is quite possible crazy ) this is a nice sound.

It is a Amaj9.

Back to the Amaj7 though (drop the B).

Play LH A Bass, and play E, G#, C# in your right hand. Almost as nice as the Amaj9 but not as full.

Agree though, If you drop the nice notes and just keep the dissonant ones (G#,A) it is not so nice any more.
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#2032233 - 02/13/13 01:39 AM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask your theory questions here! [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH

With the C#, that is one seriously awkward chord to play, for all inversions. At least under my fingers.


OK try this:

...

Agree though, If you drop the nice notes and just keep the dissonant ones (G#,A) it is not so nice any more.

We're on the same page re: the sounds. When I said "awkward" I meant physically... none of the inversions of Amaj7 work well for my fingers.
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#2032315 - 02/13/13 07:47 AM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask your theory questions here! [Re: aTallGuyNH]
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Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH
When I said "awkward" I meant physically... none of the inversions of Amaj7 work well for my fingers.

One way you could think of it, is that you just need to add the immediate adjacent note below the root (of the major triad) to make the major 7. For example, for a Cmaj7 you could simply play the B and C together with your thumb of your RH. Or the F and E for Fmaj7. The other inversions you will need to work on, and yes, a little more awkward when the root and the major 7 are made up of black and white notes. But, only 4 notes in total required and you have 10 fingers. So shouldn't be so bad.

You will be coming across them.


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#2034992 - 02/17/13 09:14 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask your theory questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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A free version of the excellent text, A Jazz Improvisation Primer that discusses and explains some great jazz theory and also broaches how to approach beginning improvising in the jazz idiom: http://www.outsideshore.com/music/a-jazz-improvisation-primer/

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#2035337 - 02/18/13 03:33 PM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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Just saw this posted elsewhere on the forums. Another excellently cataloged (and very comprehensive) guide on everything from notation to scales to chords to figured bass to even transposition guides, counterpoint, and comprehensive musical history! Probably the single largest cataloged resource on the internet.

http://www.dolmetsch.com/theoryintro.htm

This next page is the best catalog/encyclopedia of scales I've ever seen that lists scale notes, scale intervals, as well as note-to-note intervals. Amazing! And it even helped me clear up a question of nomenclature regarding the different bebop scales.

http://www.dolmetsch.com/pianochords.htm



much thanks to pianoloverus


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#2172661 - 10/27/13 07:53 AM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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I stumbled upon a nice free music theory course from the North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics today and maybe it can be useful for some beginners so here is the link to the playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCE57776525500562

smile
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#2172722 - 10/27/13 11:06 AM Re: Music Theory 101 - Ask questions here! [Re: Bobpickle]
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Registered: 10/26/13
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The course I've been using is a YouTube course by a pianist called Andrew Furmanczyk. I've found it very helpful. Has a course focusing on technique and a separate one focusing solely on theory.

Also has some videos of him playing. Very talented musician and fine teacher IMO. He keeps it light hearted and tries to make it as simple as possible so it is easy for anyone, regardless of musical background to understand.

Link to it is http://www.youtube.com/user/Lypur

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