Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) End Stage Fright
End Stage Fright
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1950570 - 08/28/12 08:01 PM Used Vogel or new Kawai baby grand
BBM Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/29/11
Posts: 30
Loc: USA
My two options are……
I can get a used 2000 Vogel V177 (5’10”) for the same price as the new from the box for a Kawai GE-30(5’5”). They are in separate store and I like them both while playing at the stores. Cannot make up my mind, help please?!
_________________________
Playing since May 2011
Alfred Adult Book 2;

Top
(ads 568) Hailun Pianos

piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1950594 - 08/28/12 09:10 PM Re: Used Vogel or new Kawai baby grand [Re: BBM]
ZoeCalgary Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/01/11
Posts: 748
Loc: Calgary Alberta
I haven't played a Vogel so can't comment on that piano. I would be tempted more by the new Kawai. Unless the bigger piano has a much nicer tone and/or action. Play them both again and again until one comes out in the lead.

Good luck.
_________________________
Preparing Grade 6 RCM.


Top
#1950614 - 08/28/12 10:14 PM Re: Used Vogel or new Kawai baby grand [Re: BBM]
PianoWorksATL Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2630
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Vogel from 2000? That's very, very early for Vogel. The design and action have way more potential than the GE-30, but you really have to look over the details of that Vogel, the finish, fitting of case parts and other cabinetry issues. The V177 got better in a hurry, but I remember the Meyer, the immediate predecessor to the Vogel, arriving around 2000. The Meyer was not a good piano and back it went. The very first Vogels had numerous silly issues and less serious issues that lingered a couple of years into production like proper leg construction, fitting of legs & pedals, and numerous finish issues. Also, in the beginning, they used Renner parts, but the assembly needed a dealer to step in and correct things. It took a while for Schimmel to influence the factory in Poland.

To be fair, if issues like these didn't develop right away, or were taken care of under Schimmel's warranty which was absolutely top notch at that time, then the piano is in the clear and is probably very musical, but if they were camouflaged or overlooked, you'll need a pro to inspect it over carefully.

A later V177 in very good condition would smoke a GE-30, but one so early definitely raises some questions for me. They didn't fail on people, but issues like those can interrupt the joy of owning a piano.
_________________________
Sam Bennett
PianoWorks - Atlanta Piano Dealer
Bsendorfer, Estonia, Seiler, Grotrian, Weber & Hailun
Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
Full Restoration Shop
www.PianoWorks.com
www.youtube.com/PianoWorksAtlanta

Top
#1950870 - 08/29/12 11:27 AM Re: Used Vogel or new Kawai baby grand [Re: PianoWorksATL]
Tom Burgess Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 46
Loc: Norman, OK
Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
Vogel from 2000? That's very, very early for Vogel. The design and action have way more potential than the GE-30...



Are you aware that the GE30 has the Millenium III action? That's a pretty serious piece of work for a relatively moderate priced piano.
_________________________
Gilliam Music - Norman, OK
Full Line Retailer Featuring:
Steinway, Kawai, Martin, Taylor, Fender, Soundcraft, JBL, Crown, etc.

Opinions expressed by me on this forum are my own and not necessarily that of the company for which I work.

Top
#1950904 - 08/29/12 12:27 PM Re: Used Vogel or new Kawai baby grand [Re: PianoWorksATL]
BBM Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/29/11
Posts: 30
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
Vogel from 2000? That's very, very early for Vogel. The design and action have way more potential than the GE-30, but you really have to look over the details of that Vogel, the finish, fitting of case parts and other cabinetry issues. The V177 got better in a hurry, but I remember the Meyer, the immediate predecessor to the Vogel, arriving around 2000. The Meyer was not a good piano and back it went. The very first Vogels had numerous silly issues and less serious issues that lingered a couple of years into production like proper leg construction, fitting of legs & pedals, and numerous finish issues. Also, in the beginning, they used Renner parts, but the assembly needed a dealer to step in and correct things. It took a while for Schimmel to influence the factory in Poland.


Just verified with the seller, they puchased it new late 2004. From the Piano book, the Vogel brand started at 2002, not sure if this is still the first generation of Vogel.... tough one
_________________________
Playing since May 2011
Alfred Adult Book 2;

Top
#1951168 - 08/29/12 08:20 PM Re: Used Vogel or new Kawai baby grand [Re: BBM]
PianoWorksATL Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2630
Loc: Atlanta, GA
An inspection of the Vogel can clear the air quickly as everything that happens would have by now. Is the dealer offering warranty and does that warranty extend to the finish? If so, I would lean toward the Vogel.
_________________________
Sam Bennett
PianoWorks - Atlanta Piano Dealer
Bsendorfer, Estonia, Seiler, Grotrian, Weber & Hailun
Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
Full Restoration Shop
www.PianoWorks.com
www.youtube.com/PianoWorksAtlanta

Top

Moderator:  Ken Knapp, Piano World, Rickster 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Download & Print Sheet Music Instantly
sheet music search
sheet music search

sheet music search
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
72 registered (Akshay, ando, angelsong, adanepst, 21 invisible), 1281 Guests and 43 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
74206 Members
42 Forums
153516 Topics
2249684 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Re-stringing an 84yr old Grand.....?
by Grandpianoman
04/17/14 01:56 AM
Theme identification
by Polyphonist
04/17/14 01:26 AM
Morning Mist: a ballade for piano
by JoelW
04/17/14 12:27 AM
Insanity
by Polyphonist
04/16/14 11:55 PM
Yamaha P140 sluggish keys : how to fix?
by Bambell
04/16/14 11:52 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission