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#1953176 - 09/02/12 11:48 PM Kawai CA95 pricing questions
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After e-mailing Kawai (US) about pricing on the new CA95 a quote was given for the MSRP:

$5,745

The current RRP at the Thomann store is only:

3,299 EUR = $4,150

And, Thomann's sale price is even lower:

3,090 EUR = $3,885

There is a huge $1,595 differential between the (UK) RRP & the (US) MSRP, which means it is listed at $1,600 higher in the US.

Even if US retail stores discounted up to $1,000 off of the MSRP it would still be selling for:

$4,745

Which is $860 more than Thomann's store price.

That is, $4,745 minus $3,885 = $860.

Thomann's price is best, so far.

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#1953180 - 09/03/12 12:01 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
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pv88, the MSRP quoted by KAC is high compared to the Thomann price (which is often lower than most others), however I'm sure that the 'actual' price will be reduced when negotiating with the store.

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#1953193 - 09/03/12 01:09 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: Kawai James]
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Might resort to buying online if I find a lower price, as I did exactly that when purchasing the V-Piano, as Gigasonic was one (of only two) online stores that had it selling for $5,995 instead of $6,999. I could have bought the V-Piano locally but didn't, since I basically saved $1K in the transaction.

So, if Kawai's current MSRP is $5,745 then any other online discount is usually only going to be around $1,000 off, like it was with my V-Piano purchase.

Is $4,745 (using the rule-of-thumb discount of $1,000) a good price when you can buy for only $3,885 at Thomann?

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#1953195 - 09/03/12 01:15 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
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I think you're misinterpreting the list price (aka MSRP). In any given region, the list price is the same everywhere. But it's a nonsense number, an amount you should never pay. So there's no reason to compare the $5745 MSRP with the lower price someone might actually pay. To get that better price, you just need to pick your price and make an offer.

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#1953207 - 09/03/12 01:39 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
I think you're misinterpreting the list price (aka MSRP). In any given region, the list price is the same everywhere. But it's a nonsense number, an amount you should never pay. So there's no reason to compare the $5745 MSRP with the lower price someone might actually pay. To get that better price, you just need to pick your price and make an offer.


@MacMacMac,

Thanks, as I already understand all of what you are saying, as I am now waiting to see as to what the local store prices will be as compared with other online dealers, etc.

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#1953208 - 09/03/12 01:43 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
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I think the point is that store quotes are, in one way, the same as the MSRP. They're both prices that you don't want to pay. I'd take the MSRP and deduct at least 30%. That's what I'd want to pay.

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#1953212 - 09/03/12 02:10 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: MacMacMac]
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As far as I can see, many online sellers are going to be offering better prices than local shops, for several reasons:

1) No local sales tax (which can be a lot of money on a $4,000+ buy)
2) Lowest sale prices (and, more to choose from)
3) Free shipping (most of the time)

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#1953221 - 09/03/12 02:42 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
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Another question about delivery:

The CA95 is a very heavy piano (at 200+ lbs.) in its box, and, I understand it arrives already pre-assembled as one unit.

Question 1:

If this ordered online (and, not from a local store) then how does one manage to get the beast into the house?

Extra heavy items are carried by UPS/FedEx freight trucks, and, the driver may charge extra for liftgate service, plus home delivery.

Some freight drivers only lower the box to the ground and you're stuck with getting it carried in from the street to your place.

Question 2:

Has anyone ordered the CA93, and, how exactly was it delivered?

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#1953224 - 09/03/12 02:49 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
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#1953226 - 09/03/12 02:54 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
Kawai James Offline
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pv88, you will not find any online stores in America that stock (or are able to stock) the CA95.

The retail situation in Europe is a little different, meaning that instruments such as the CA95 can be purchased online.

Regarding delivery, if you purchase from a local store I am confident that they will deliver to your home and set-up the instrument. However, if you purchase online, it's unlikely that the delivery company's driver will provide the same service.

Kind regards,
James
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#1953227 - 09/03/12 02:54 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
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You can't buy them online. All of the piano companies here only sell through traditional outlets. Online is a big no-no. That's for the fancy Europeans and Asians, not in this backwater called North America.

MSRP isn't the real price anyway. As an example, the MSRP for the MP6 in Canada is something like $3200 which no one pays.

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#1953228 - 09/03/12 02:54 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Call Pierre Julia at "Pierre's Fine Pianos" and tell him you're from PW and that I said to call. He'll give you an honest , straight ahead quote along with a shipping/delivery charge. I'm not sure how they work the schlepping & setup from the truck into the home but he would probably be able to answer all your questions.

http://www.pierresfinepianos.com/


@Dave,

Thanks for the info, as I will certainly want to check it out.
(Looks like a nice "online" / brick-and-mortar shop.)

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#1953321 - 09/03/12 10:44 AM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
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Where are you located?
If you're in North America ...
1. You cannot buy the high-end pianos online.
2. Dealers are not allowed to quote prices over the phone, only in-person.
3. Sales tax will always apply, unless you travel to another state to make the purchase.
So your points are pertinent only for other regions, not the US/Canada.
Originally Posted By: pv88
As far as I can see, most online sellers are going to be offering better prices than local shops, for several reasons:
1) No local sales tax (which can be a lot of money on a $4,000+ buy)
2) Lowest sale prices (and, more to choose from)
3) Free shipping (most of the time)

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#1953497 - 09/03/12 05:37 PM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: MacMacMac]
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Question:

Will any other out-of-state store (such as "Pierre's Fine Pianos") agree to sell and ship a CA95?

As they are both an online / brick-and-mortar shop.

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#1953500 - 09/03/12 05:47 PM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: pv88]
Kawai James Offline
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Why not give Pierre's a call and ask?

James
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"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#1953501 - 09/03/12 05:49 PM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: Kawai James]
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#1953886 - 09/04/12 04:35 PM Re: Kawai CA95 pricing questions [Re: Kawai James]
pv88 Offline
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I just did call and talk to one other out-of-state store (not "Pierre's" above, by the way) that says they would in fact ship a CA95 to a customer not residing in their state. There would be no additional sales tax on the purchase, only shipping charges. However, any out-of-state store would not be able to handle the two trade-in pianos I have, so, a local store is my best choice.

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