And I wonder why they talk about 8 velocity layers in the EPs but not the AP?

If 88 keys of unlooped samples in 8 layers took 4.7 gb in the Kronos, I would guess 4 layers in the 2+ gb version in the Krome.

It's weird how DP product announcements are almost uniformly a massive let down.

BTW, 600 mb is dedicated to the EPs.

IMO, the best thing about the Kronos was the semi modeled EP engine. Too bad it isn't making it over. Hopefully an SV2 will retain the EP engine of the Kronos.

The Kronos turned out to be a big POS for me.

With multiple EPs @ 8 layers each I'm thinking they're probably kind of hacked up.

600 MB
/ 2 (stereo)
/ 2 (16 bit samples)
/ 8 layers
/ 3 EPs
/ 44100 (samples per second)
/ 88 notes

= a whopping 1.6 seconds per sample. Meh.

"Lavish amounts of PCM memory have been used for this purpose..." Ha!

so if the American Steinway for Ivory II has 49 GB of data and 20 velocity layers- for one piano.... What would that be in comparison? i think they are 24 bit samples.

The original Rhodes and Wurli pianos were mono (sometimes with stereo fx), so it's a safe bet the samples are mono. So assuming the rest of your math is right, that's 3.2 seconds per sample. That's not bad, I think.

24 GB
/ 2 (stereo)
/ 3 (24 bit samples)
/ 20 layers
/ 44100 samples per second (?)
/ 88 notes

= 51 seconds per sample (average).

Don't you also have to take into account the damper resonance samples, the sympathetic resonance samples, the key-off samples etc.? 20 layers might actually result in 30-100 samples per note.

With a 49GB library, Ivory II American Concert D is the largest single piano in the Ivory family. This American Steinway possesses a naturally long sustain, which is captured in its entirety to the final decay, some of the notes ringing longer than two minutes. Also included are up to 20 velocity levels, with more soft pedal samples, and more release samples to capture more detail than any Ivory instrument before.

Ivory II American Concert D is powered by the award-winning Ivory II engine, and contains the full compliment of Ivory II’s features, foremost being our acclaimed Harmonic Resonance Modeling for the realization of true Sympathetic String Resonance. Custom designed by Synthogy DSP guru, George Taylor, this technology does not rely upon triggering additional samples or use ordinary sine waves. Rather, notes struck that are harmonically related excite the actual complex overtones of the notes that are being held, in the same manner that undamped strings resonate in a real acoustic piano. Together with the new American Concert D samples, the results are simply stunning, the culmination of Synthogy’s most powerful technology, with our most advanced sampling techniques.

Korg's idea of "lavish" is 600MB for 3 EPs - perhaps just a poor translation from the Japanese? At 200 MB per EP that's ~250 times smaller than the Ivory II piano! It's a step in the right direction, but even their largest AP sample sets are ~10 times smaller than Ivory II.

What I'm finding most intriguing about it at the moment is the 2.0 OS that allows you to load your own streaming samples. Someone in another forum has already loaded a couple of Ivory pianos onto it. Interesting possibilities.

Check the following link and look for burningbusch:

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2435996/3

To be clear, I'm not saying you can load Ivory into the Kronos, you can't. But if you have Ivory running on your computer, there are tools that will allow you to sample it and create basically your own scaled-down version that you can load into your Kronos. It will give you a piano of similar character, but no, you're not going to get the 18 layers, advanced resonance features, etc. of the original.

Wouldn't the native sound of the DP have to be pretty bad for you to want a watered down version of another product instead ?

49 gb

Allow me to educate you a little there. In all likelyhood, you meant 49 GB.

Because there is no such thing as "gb". But there is "GB".

yes, like many on the net, I'm not always so attentive to capitalization. ;-)

However, since, as you say, there is no such thing as "gb" at least the potential for ambiguity was minimal!

Allow me to educate you a little there. In all likelyhood, you meant 49 GB.

Because there is no such thing as "gb". But there is "GB". G is giga, which means billion, or actually 1024x1024x1024 in this context. "B" is byte(s).

By the way, "mb" has a meaning, which is millibits. But since you can't subdivide a bit, mb is completely bogus. So whenever I see that, I have to assume you mean either "Mb" or "MB". An MB is eight times as much as an Mb. So it's still very ambiguous.

That's all, thanks for your attention

Oh, but you are.

Hey Sheldon Cooper, welcome to Piano World!

I was going to suggest Torhu did something else Ando ....

Some people demonstratively avoid capitalizing the first word in each sentenze, even though they correctly capitalize everything else.