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#1950894 - 08/29/12 12:16 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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Does the 3rd round look okay? It's Beethoven F Major--->Medtner D minor Tale. Then the last Tale in that set is G Major. So it's Medtner G Major-->Bach/Liszt G minor.


Edited by mrferguson12 (08/29/12 12:18 PM)
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#1950923 - 08/29/12 12:44 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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You seem to be spending a lot of energy thinking about the progression of keys. You've also selected an ambitious program. Let me ask you:

1. What is your current repertoire, and
2. What is the current state of the pieces you're considering for your program?


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#1950981 - 08/29/12 02:29 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
You seem to be spending a lot of energy thinking about the progression of keys. You've also selected an ambitious program. Let me ask you:

1. What is your current repertoire, and
2. What is the current state of the pieces you're considering for your program?


-J


I know it's an ambitious program. I'm really just trying to get an opinion on the program itself, and if it's put together well. smile
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#1951121 - 08/29/12 07:05 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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Originally Posted By: mrferguson12
The first 12, so the last one is G-sharp minor, going into Ab Major (Liszt).
I think factors like this will count less than .00001% towards your competition results.

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#1951559 - 08/30/12 02:24 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: mrferguson12
The first 12, so the last one is G-sharp minor, going into Ab Major (Liszt).
I think factors like this will count less than .00001% towards your competition results.


hehe, that's okay. I spent the extra time thinking about the progressions just to be creative. I tried to use composers that would sound good together. Scarlatti/Chopin, Bach/Shostakovich, Beethoven/Medtner.
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#1951599 - 08/30/12 03:51 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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At the risk of repeating - but you haven't answered the question, yet - what is your current repertoire?

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#1951607 - 08/30/12 04:13 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
At the risk of repeating - but you haven't answered the question, yet - what is your current repertoire?

Regards,


Yes. Let me be honest, mrfergeson12. I love your enthusiasm, and you've chosen some great pieces here. (Those Shostakovitch preludes are terribly underplayed.) But I see a couple warning signs in some of the ways you're talking about this competition.

Maybe they're totally unfounded. And you didn't ask for this advice. But if you want some help by a community here of pretty knowledgable folks, and if you don't mind being on the defensive a little bit, do let us know: what do you have currently worked up, and where are you with these competition pieces so far.

You can just stick to the questions you asked if you want. But I ensure you we just want to help, and we'll only be able to really help by asking you these other questions.

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#1951682 - 08/30/12 07:27 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: BruceD
At the risk of repeating - but you haven't answered the question, yet - what is your current repertoire?

Regards,


Yes. Let me be honest, mrfergeson12. I love your enthusiasm, and you've chosen some great pieces here. (Those Shostakovitch preludes are terribly underplayed.) But I see a couple warning signs in some of the ways you're talking about this competition.

Maybe they're totally unfounded. And you didn't ask for this advice. But if you want some help by a community here of pretty knowledgable folks, and if you don't mind being on the defensive a little bit, do let us know: what do you have currently worked up, and where are you with these competition pieces so far.

You can just stick to the questions you asked if you want. But I ensure you we just want to help, and we'll only be able to really help by asking you these other questions.

-Jason


I don't think the 'warning signs' are unfounded. With the experience I have, it's hard to imagine being accepted into this competition. I just wanted to set a big goal for myself this year to inspire me to practice.
Anyway, here's a repertoire list (draft) that I put together to give an idea:

Piano Solo:

Chopin – Nocturne in B Major, Nocturne in G minor, Nocturne in Bb minor, Preludes 1-4

Bach – Prelude and Fugue in d minor (WTC 1), Prelude and Fugue in e minor (WTC 1), 15 2-part inventions

Liszt – Mephisto Waltz no. 1

Haydn – Sonata in e minor, Sonata in Ab Major

Balakirev – Toccata

Medtner – 2 Tales, op. 14, Tale in a dorian, op. 51 no. 2, Tale in e minor, op. 34 no. 2, Tale in g minor, op. 48 no. 2

Tchaikovsky – ‘Doumka’

Schumann – Prelude and Fugue from Album for the Young

Piano Accompaniment:

* J. Haydn - Divertimento D major; adagio

* J.S. Bach - Siciliano from the 2nd Sonata for Flute and Piano

* Bellini - Ma rendi pur contento for piano and voice

* Menotti - "When the Air Sings of Summer" (Bob's Bedroom Aria) from The Old Maid and Thief

Piano Duet (4 hands):

* Saint-Saens - Carnival of the animals: V. L'Éléphant (The Elephant)

*Schubert and Brahms 4 hands pieces (I don't recall which ones)

As far as where I'm at with the competition pieces so far. I've looked at all the Medtner tales in that set, and worked through the Liszt. Just working those up to tempo and memorizing. A colleague from my school worked on the 12 shostakovich preludes, so she can help me with those. I still need to look at the Scarlatti, Chopin Ballade, Beethoven, and I'm looking at the Liszt/Bach right now.


Edited by mrferguson12 (08/30/12 07:32 PM)
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#1951755 - 08/30/12 09:56 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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One should, I suppose, admire the OP's enthusiasm for this project and his setting of high goals, and one should remember that he said he was thinking of "trying to enter" this competition in 2014.

I think, however, for reasons that seem pretty obvious in this thread, that the goals might be far too lofty and that the "stretch" required to prepare the competition repertoire from where he stands today might be a challenge unable to be met.

I would think it better to consider his own counsel : "With the experience I have, it's hard to imagine being accepted into this competition. I just wanted to set a big goal for myself this year to inspire me to practice."

Why not find some more realistic goals to give incentive to practice? Surely one doesn't need a competition which one has no hope of entering to be an incentive to practice. If one can't find enough incentives that are more rational and attainable, then perhaps the OP should simply consult his teacher for reasonable incentives.

One could, for example, take a Syllabus from any known Conservatory or School of Music, select a grade level just beyond where one currently plays comfortably, and use the repertoire in that grade level as "incentive." I'm sort of at a loss to consider how this particular competition provides an incentive if, as already stated, the OP has little chance of even being ready to enter.

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#1951761 - 08/30/12 10:16 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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Let's keep in mind that this thread is mostly an intellectual exercise. Given that the initial application must include:

"Two recommendation letters from musicians of acknowledged professional standing, including the applicant’s present or most recent teacher."

and

"Copies of international and national certificates of awards."

The makeup of the program is almost inconsequential when compared to the importance of those two statements and producing a high-quality preliminary audition DVD.
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#1951768 - 08/30/12 10:28 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD


One could, for example, take a Syllabus from any known Conservatory or School of Music, select a grade level just beyond where one currently plays comfortably, and use the repertoire in that grade level as "incentive."

Regards,


I like that idea. I still haven't had the chance to sit down with my teacher. He's been gone at a summer camp for a few months. "the goals might be far too lofty and that the "stretch" required to prepare the competition repertoire." In that case, a Beethoven Sonata, Scarlatti Sonatas, Shostakovich preludes, and maybe the Chopin ballade, doesn't seem like too much to handle in a year. I could see where adding a concerto could be unrealistic. With those pieces I just listed, I could possibly find some smaller competitions to enter this year.
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#1953225 - 09/03/12 02:52 AM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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Hello

Since you are talking about competitions, if you have on 25 minutes to play and show yourself, what do you think about this programme?
- toccata, Casella
- Sonata op 22 - 2, Schumann
- etude op 39 - 3, Rachmaninoff

I'm having doubts about the sonata, because I'm afraid that is too long. What do you think?

Thanks for your help

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#1953250 - 09/03/12 05:05 AM Re: Competition program? [Re: MiguelSousa]
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Hello

Since you are talking about competitions, if you have on 25 minutes to play and show yourself, what do you think about this programme?
- toccata, Casella
- Sonata op 22 - 2, Schumann
- etude op 39 - 3, Rachmaninoff

I'm having doubts about the sonata, because I'm afraid that is too long. What do you think?



Don't know the Casella.

I think the Schumann is not very good for a competition, for reasons that are hard to explain. My intuition has always told me there's some music that seems superficially like it would be okay, but somehow doesn't work very well in competitions. A good deal of Schumann (but not all) falls into that category. It's like he didn't care a whole lot about how the piano actually sounds, with the result that often it doesn't sound particularly fantastic, not like the luscious sounds the Chopin and Liszt drew out of it. Not that it's awful or anything, but it just lacks that last iota of magical piano sound. In a competition, it's probably better to choose music that makes the instrument sound great, whenever possible, IMO.

Of course, if a performer has some special affinity for a particular piece and can play it with unusual conviction, that can trump what I just said.

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#1956434 - 09/09/12 01:58 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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My school is having a competition in Oct. Here's the details:

2012 CLASSICAL SONATA COMPETITION

COMPETITION RULES

1. The competition is open to students in two categories: junior and senior. Students who have not yet had their 14th birthday by October 20 will compete in the junior category; students older than 14 but younger than 18 on October 20 will compete in the senior category. Contestants’ age is their sole basis for eligibility – students may attend any school or college or study privately, and their place of residence plays no role in their eligibility.

2. All contestants must have their applied teacher’s approval - teacher’s signature is required on the Piano Weekend application.

3. Competition repertoire consists of any one complete movement from a piano sonata by Haydn, Clementi, Mozart, Beethoven or Schubert. All performances are from memory.

4. No repertoire changes are allowed once the application is submitted. Please email or call with all inquiries regarding repertoire.

5. Time limit for the junior category is 7 minutes; 8 minutes for senior category. Contestants may choose to play a longer movement but the jury reserves the right to stop the performance once the time limit has been reached. Repeats in the score are left at the discretion of the contestants; the chosen movement’s form and its length should be the guiding factors as far as taking repeats.

6. The number of contestants in each category may be limited to the first 10 applicants unless the chosen repertoire leaves enough time to accept more. Contestants will be notified of their status once the application is received at UNCSA.

7. The order of performance will be alphabetical by last name.

8. Contestants will be provided warm-up rooms prior to performing. All performances will be held in Watson Chamber Music Hall. Piano used: Hamburg Steinway model D.

9. No Piano Weekend participant will be allowed to compete without attending the entire Piano Weekend. Please email or call with all schedule questions prior to mailing the application.

10. The jury will consist of UNCSA Piano Faculty. The jury’s decisions are final. The jury reserves the right not to award all prizes.

11. The prizes for junior category are $100/first prize, $75/second prize; in the senior category, $150 and $100. All winners will receive a diploma and an invitation to perform at UNCSA on either November 20, 2012 or April 23, 2013. These performances will be professionally recorded and videotaped.

12. The results will be announced at 6pm on October 20. All contestants should be present at that time to be eligible for prizes.

I was wondering, since the time limit is 8 minutes for the senior category, would the judges expect the piece to last roughly 6-8 minutes? Or does it make a difference if I choose a really short movement (4-5 min)?


Edited by mrferguson12 (09/09/12 01:59 PM)
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#1956502 - 09/09/12 04:03 PM Re: Competition program? [Re: mrferguson12]
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Sounds like fun. Wish I was younger. That Hamburg Steinway D must be quite a nice instrument.

What sonata and movement (from one of the five listed composer's) were you thinking of?

Since they don't give you a minimum time, I wouldn't be concerned about a movement that was only 4-5 minutes. In the end, it's going to come down to how well you play whatever piece/movement you select.

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