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#1957546 - 09/11/12 05:24 PM Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new)
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#1957551 - 09/11/12 05:32 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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Yes, there's a bit of stumbling occasionally, but it seems impossible to avoid...Once you're past a certain stage with this piece, it does play itself in a very odd way. However, in order for that to work fully, one has to be sure not to be tired and the fingers must remain alert at all times. If everything works, it's quite a roller-coaster ride smile
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#1962451 - 09/22/12 08:29 AM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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This is a favourite of mine and I have presented all the other sonatas to this forum. I have only been able to listen to your opening bars and I must say you really do not seem to understand this score. "Un poco piu vivace" needs to be far more rhapsodic and you play the "allegro" too fast and almost without tone. The allegro reminds me of Mendelssohn and is almost "piquant".

Currently I am downloading the .mp3 and will comment in detail after I have listened to the whole thing. I shall present you a recording for ideas, but this is still in "rehearsal" for me.
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#1962455 - 09/22/12 08:34 AM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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To be clear, your version sounds nothing like Mendelssohn, but it should be Mendelssohn-esque if it is played correctly!

i.e. "light, fluffy eggs" with a shimmering power!
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#1962494 - 09/22/12 10:07 AM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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Fnork: I hope you know enough about that guy not to worry for a second about his total BS.

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#1962504 - 09/22/12 10:10 AM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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To be clear, your version sounds nothing like Mendelssohn


Whew, what a relief that Beethoven doesn't sound like Mendelssohn ...
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#1962611 - 09/22/12 02:37 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: BachMach2]
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Originally Posted By: BachMach2
This is a favourite of mine and I have presented all the other sonatas to this forum. I have only been able to listen to your opening bars and I must say you really do not seem to understand this score. "Un poco piu vivace" needs to be far more rhapsodic and you play the "allegro" too fast and almost without tone. The allegro reminds me of Mendelssohn and is almost "piquant".

Currently I am downloading the .mp3 and will comment in detail after I have listened to the whole thing. I shall present you a recording for ideas, but this is still in "rehearsal" for me.


No.

Originally Posted By: BachMach2
To be clear, your version sounds nothing like Mendelssohn, but it should be Mendelssohn-esque if it is played correctly!

i.e. "light, fluffy eggs" with a shimmering power!


No.

No. No. No. No.

Thank you for sharing, fnork, and sorry that there are some "interesting" characters that can anonymously post "interesting" things in response...

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#1962618 - 09/22/12 02:54 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
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To be clear, your version sounds nothing like Mendelssohn


Whew, what a relief that Beethoven doesn't sound like Mendelssohn ...


What a relief that Fnork doesn't sound like Bachmach.
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#1962660 - 09/22/12 04:21 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: BachMach2]
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Originally Posted By: BachMach2
"light, fluffy eggs" with a shimmering power!


Oh my, what a riot! The last movement like "light fluffy eggs"! That's the best laugh I've had in a while.

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#1963581 - 09/24/12 08:34 AM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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It neither sounds like mendelssohn, light fluffy eggs or Beethoven. Dreadful. Don't bother listening to my stuff. Why not try and perform it twice end to end in 4 minutes? ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN.

Orangesodaking % Damon you really do produce such good recordings. I am sure Argerich, Barenboim & Kissin worship you as brilliant musical role models as THEY aren't wothy of your passion. Where can I buy your wonderful repertoire? You do both "play" the piano, right?
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#1964550 - 09/25/12 11:59 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: BachMach2]
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Originally Posted By: BachMach2
You do both "play" the piano, right?


I sure play better than any of the examples of your playing I have ever heard from you, absolutely.

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#1964604 - 09/26/12 04:36 AM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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What an interesting discussion, everyone. Never thought of light fluffy eggs in relation to the Hammerklavier before.
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#1964753 - 09/26/12 12:53 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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Originally Posted By: fnork
What an interesting discussion, everyone. Never thought of light fluffy eggs in relation to the Hammerklavier before.


Listen to BachMach2's recordings... Lol.

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#1965067 - 09/27/12 12:30 AM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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You play this very well. Congrats! It makes me want to take a crack at this piece.
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#1965333 - 09/27/12 03:17 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: BachMach2]
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Originally Posted By: BachMach2
To be clear, your version sounds nothing like Mendelssohn, but it should be Mendelssohn-esque if it is played correctly!

i.e. "light, fluffy eggs" with a shimmering power!


This is so incredibly wrong...the Hammerklavier is NOTHING like Mendelssohn's writing.
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#1965533 - 09/27/12 10:38 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: bplary1300]
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He knows that. He's just being.....dunno, whatever it is that he always be's. smile

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#1968803 - 10/04/12 05:20 PM Re: Hammerklavier - 4th movement (new) [Re: fnork]
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hehe, I think he was just referring to the shortish Allegro section of the part preceeding the fugue. In any case, if anything it is Bach it should sound like....
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