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#1958794 - 09/14/12 10:36 AM Re: Need Advice: CA95 vs V-Piano [Re: Pelota]
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There are some nice audio clips comparing 2-sensor and 3-sensor key detection that we use in dealer seminars. The differences are easily heard (and presumably felt when playing), with the ability to express the range between legato and staccato playing one of the benefits.

Definitely more than just a box ticking exercise. wink

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#1958816 - 09/14/12 11:33 AM Re: Need Advice: CA95 vs V-Piano [Re: pv88]
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I honestly think the third sensor is only relevant to players with advanced technique; those who can (and want to or need to) play the same note repeatedly extremely quickly. A bit like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjghYFgt8Zk

Otherwise it's a non-issue in my opinion.



Aha... it's Martha Argerich. This (video) is truly the best demonstration of rapid fire repeated notes available, as she certainly has the chops to do so!


Repeated notes are common in 'classical' piano music, not just of the virtuosic category, e.g. Debussy's Minstrels (Préludes, Book 1 No.12) which is probably only about ABRSM Grade 6 standard.

Of course, they also abound in short bursts in piano concertos (Rachmaninoff's 2nd and 3rd, Yellow River Concerto), and, probably most difficult of all, in Ravel's Alborada del gracioso (Miroirs) - really taxing on the fingers, this - and his Scarbo (Gaspard de la nuit), where there are more fiendish difficulties than just the repeated-note passages....
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#1959044 - 09/14/12 09:05 PM Re: Need Advice: CA95 vs V-Piano [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Repeated notes are common in 'classical' piano music, not just of the virtuosic category, e.g. Debussy's Minstrels (Préludes, Book 1 No.12) which is probably only about ABRSM Grade 6 standard.

Of course, they also abound in short bursts in piano concertos (Rachmaninoff's 2nd and 3rd, Yellow River Concerto), and, probably most difficult of all, in Ravel's Alborada del gracioso (Miroirs) - really taxing on the fingers, this - and his Scarbo (Gaspard de la nuit), where there are more fiendish difficulties than just the repeated-note passages....


@bennevis,

I agree with you completely about the Ravel pieces as I have always thought that "Scarbo" from Gaspard de la nuit was one of the most difficult pieces in the repertoire, as it does include quite a few repeated notes.

Here is an amazing performance (with score) by Marc-Andre Hamelin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7oJqi52d2I

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#1959049 - 09/14/12 09:17 PM Re: Need Advice: CA95 vs V-Piano [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
There are some nice audio clips comparing 2-sensor and 3-sensor key detection that we use in dealer seminars. The differences are easily heard (and presumably felt when playing), with the ability to express the range between legato and staccato playing one of the benefits.

Definitely more than just a box ticking exercise. wink

Cheers,
James
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Hi James,

Is it possible that you can post (or, give links for) the audio clips you mention that compares the two and three sensor actions?

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#1959082 - 09/14/12 11:53 PM Re: Need Advice: CA95 vs V-Piano [Re: Pelota]
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No, I don't think so, I'm afraid. They're intended for internal use only.

Kind regards,
James
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#1959242 - 09/15/12 01:09 PM Re: Need Advice: CA95 vs V-Piano [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
No, I don't think so, I'm afraid. They're intended for internal use only.


¿Internal?... What a pity. That should be a better selling argument than any person "singing" pros of new models in promotional videos ;P
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