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#1959813 - 09/16/12 06:23 PM The WORST live performance you have ever heard?
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What is the absolute worst live performance by a renowned pianist you've ever heard?? (excluding Lang Lang, Yundi Li and Horowitz in his drugged up years)

I must say that personally, this rendition of the 4th ballade takes the cake. It's like he was utterly bored, or had the flu..


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#1959820 - 09/16/12 06:40 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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If you count seeing a video of it online, it's Argerich's performance of Chopin's 1st Ballade which (fortunately or unfortunately) has been taken down from youtube.

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#1959827 - 09/16/12 06:50 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
If you count seeing a video of it online, it's Argerich's performance of Chopin's 1st Ballade...

The worst performance? I don't think so. Yes, it is fast and rather scrambled, but you don't criticize technical address on that level.

Sorry mate, perhaps Argerich had too much coffee, but she does not play badly. (Okay, not a performance I could live with, but no playing of Argerich is ever the 'the worst', IMO.)

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#1959837 - 09/16/12 07:07 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan
The worst performance? I don't think so....

Jason, it looks like your allegiance made you forget what the question was. smile

The worst live performance that we've heard by a renowned pianist.

And indeed I promise you that if seeing it online counts, indeed there has been none worse.
That I've heard.
Indeed. smile

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#1959854 - 09/16/12 07:31 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: argerichfan]
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....oh....or maybe you weren't being really serious -- in which case I was too serious. smile

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#1959860 - 09/16/12 07:40 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

The worst live performance that we've heard by a renowned pianist.

Okay, okay, fair enough. I was too busy with Fleisher. (BTW, you need to read that book!) smile

Yeah, it's Argerich at her most impatient. I've never liked it, truth to tell. And her live Tchaikovsky has none of the poise of the studio recording.

But Argerich is just... Argerich. Like Horowitz, she has her off days.
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#1959868 - 09/16/12 08:03 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan

But Argerich is just... Argerich. Like Horowitz, she has her off days.


Puh-lease! laugh
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#1959869 - 09/16/12 08:15 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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I fail to see the usefulness of making sport of putting people's bad days on display.

And seriously...calling that video of Berezovsky the worst rendition of something makes me want to never post a video of any of my playing here on PianoWorld ever.

The world is not a competition and we are not its jury. I'd hate to see PianoWorld become the same kind of adolescent cesspool of criticism that YouTube has become.

ugh...
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#1959880 - 09/16/12 08:31 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'd hate to see PianoWorld become the same kind of adolescent cesspool of criticism that YouTube has become.

ugh...


Thank you. I couldn't agree more.
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#1959882 - 09/16/12 08:37 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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I agree. I still want to have Berezovsky's baby. I don't care if his inspiration wanes from day to day. Nobody is perfect all the time. The up days are so magnificent. We should celebrate their glories and not focus on when they aren't so glorious.

As for me, I don't think I've ever witnessed a non-thrilling recital. But ticket prices being what they are, it's been a while since I've been to one.

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#1959889 - 09/16/12 08:47 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'd hate to see PianoWorld become the same kind of adolescent cesspool of criticism that YouTube has become.

But YouTube isn't moderated. I fail to see the comparison. (And PW is peaches compared to the Radio 3 Forum which is even more heavily moderated.)

Lots of nasty stuff on YT, but who cares? I only make a point of commenting positively, if I don't care for a recording, I move on.
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#1959890 - 09/16/12 08:47 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I fail to see the usefulness of making sport of putting people's bad days on display.

And seriously...calling that video of Berezovsky the worst rendition of something makes me want to never post a video of any of my playing here on PianoWorld ever.

The world is not a competition and we are not its jury. I'd hate to see PianoWorld become the same kind of adolescent cesspool of criticism that YouTube has become.

ugh...
Exactly.

It's good for young and inexperienced musicians to ask questions, but the description of Berezovsky's performance the OP is frankly outrageous(even though I didn't like what I listened to in the first minute). Same comment for the title of this thread.

Start out with respect for a winner of the Tchaikovsky competition and even much "lesser" pianists. Then you will learn something about playing the piano.


Edited by pianoloverus (09/17/12 12:40 AM)

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#1959900 - 09/16/12 09:33 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler


And seriously...calling that video of Berezovsky the worst rendition of something makes me want to never post a video of any of my playing here on PianoWorld ever.


I think most of us would love to have an "off day" like the one Boris is having there!

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#1959911 - 09/16/12 10:09 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: DameMyra]
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Originally Posted By: DameMyra
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'd hate to see PianoWorld become the same kind of adolescent cesspool of criticism that YouTube has become.

ugh...


Thank you. I couldn't agree more.


I agree too.
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#1959944 - 09/16/12 11:49 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: mazurkajoe
What is the absolute worst live performance by a renowned pianist you've ever heard?? (excluding Lang Lang, Yundi Li and Horowitz in his drugged up years)

Welcome to the real world. Any other questions?
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#1959981 - 09/17/12 03:19 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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Youtube isn't a cesspool of criticism it's a cesspool of nastiness. Criticism doesn't necessarily have to be nasty. I think the OP poses a genuinely interesting question and I'm sure we can all behave like adults while discussing it.

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#1960003 - 09/17/12 05:37 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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Meanwhile I'll go buy popcorn --
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#1960065 - 09/17/12 09:54 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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This! ha
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#1960076 - 09/17/12 10:26 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Batuhan]
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10 out of 10 for enthusiasm!

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#1960083 - 09/17/12 10:39 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
[...]I think the OP poses a genuinely interesting question and I'm sure we can all behave like adults while discussing it.


What is there to discuss? What is the point in highlighting bad moments in professional careers? It seems, at best, a rather puerile pursuit.

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#1960094 - 09/17/12 11:10 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
...What is the point in highlighting bad moments in professional careers? It seems, at best, a rather puerile pursuit.

Well, for one thing, at least in the case of this thread, it helps increase the number of people in the world who know words like "puerile." ha

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#1960095 - 09/17/12 11:14 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
I'd hate to see PianoWorld become the same kind of adolescent cesspool of criticism that YouTube has become.

But YouTube isn't moderated. I fail to see the comparison. (And PW is peaches compared to the Radio 3 Forum which is even more heavily moderated.)
I think Kreisler's point was that the topic itself was somewhat juvenile and inappropriate.

I think some posters(seemingly far more frequently those who are not particularly advanced)feel important when they criticize major pianists in immature ways. In my opinion they only look silly doing this.


Edited by pianoloverus (09/17/12 11:19 AM)

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#1960113 - 09/17/12 11:53 AM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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Also, I should probably make it clear - I was speaking as a forum member, not as moderator. I have no intentions of taking any moderator actions. I was just voicing my opinion as a regular human being. smile
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#1960129 - 09/17/12 12:21 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: BruceD
...What is the point in highlighting bad moments in professional careers? It seems, at best, a rather puerile pursuit.

Well, for one thing, at least in the case of this thread, it helps increase the number of people in the world who know words like "puerile." ha

True - I'm going to look it up now....... ha
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#1960130 - 09/17/12 12:26 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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I agree with the criticism of the thread itself. However, an anecdote associated with this gives another perspective. I am a hi-fi fan so benefit from good quality sound. Many years' ago I was listening to a live recital by Vlado Perlmeuter, whose first group of pieces was the first set of Chopin's Mazurkas. The audience settled down, he played a few bars and came to a halt. The audience quietened. He started again and broke down again. The audience went absolutely quiet. Again he failed. It was so quiet you could hear his footsteps as he left the stage. Cue audience shuffling and coughing, then quiet again as you heard his footsteps back to the piano. Perfect playing.

It was a riveting experience and demonstrates his professionalism. OK, he had a memory lapse, went off for a refresher from the score (presumably) and then delivered a fine performance.

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#1960169 - 09/17/12 01:47 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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Then there is competition failure, a very brief form of performance collapse. Mercifully brief, on occasion.




I'll bet the young fellow went home and launched into the piece with fury and abandon, perfectly.
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#1960181 - 09/17/12 02:00 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Piano*Dad]
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poor guy! frown

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#1960211 - 09/17/12 02:50 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: JoelW]
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I don't believe this thread has, by nature, no potential for value; is it not a similar question to asking what is the best performance you have heard? I mean...assuming that the comments are not out of nastiness or puerile, obsessive disillusionment with the point of music and, in general, discussion and the articles pertaining thereto, um, couldn't one say that by discussing the best that one is simply stating, in a more qualitative rather than quantitative sense, what they consider the important factors (which one may try to thereafter improve upon) and likewise by asking for the worst, what to avoid? Just a thought...
Oh, I love that Eisenstein recording by the way; I adore his passion, whether artificial or not.
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#1960218 - 09/17/12 02:57 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: FSO]
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Originally Posted By: FSO
I don't believe this thread has, by nature, no potential for value; is it not a similar question to asking what is the best performance you have heard? I mean...assuming that the comments are not out of nastiness or puerile, obsessive disillusionment with the point of music and, in general, discussion and the articles pertaining thereto, um, couldn't one say that by discussing the best that one is simply stating, in a more qualitative rather than quantitative sense, what they consider the important factors (which one may try to thereafter improve upon) and likewise by asking for the worst, what to avoid? Just a thought...
Oh, I love that Eisenstein recording by the way; I adore his passion, whether artificial or not.
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One can easily consider the important factors of music without highlighting someone's "bad" performances. It creates more negativity than the contrary.
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#1960222 - 09/17/12 03:02 PM Re: The WORST live performance you have ever heard? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich

One can easily consider the important factors of music without highlighting someone's "bad" performances. It creates more negativity than the contrary.

I never said it was the best way, I'm only suggesting that, perhaps, we could try to take the best from the worst, if you will? There's no negativity spare when negativity is intended; an artist should be able admit their faults and we shouldn't feel ashamed for agreeing with them or pointing them out in the first place; I mean, um, when I foul up I don't mind being told so, I don't mind it being mocked even. Maybe I'm hasty in trying to defend views contrary to your own and for that I'm sorry, but...just consider that the negativity may not actually exist for some...
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