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I play acoustic 95% of the time, so I'm used to the resonance on an acoustic. So to me, on a digital, it's non-existant. I don't think it's a big deal. It sounds dry, but doesn't otherwise affect learning or the performance. Most people who don't play or listen to an acoustic piano everyday won't miss it. Those of us playing mostly acoustic could always tell something is digital. Again not a big deal.
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I play acoustic 95% of the time, so I'm used to the resonance on an acoustic. So to me, on a digital, it's non-existant. I don't think it's a big deal. It sounds dry, but doesn't otherwise affect learning or the performance. It does affect the way one pedals, as I discovered on my own DP: I started (almost unconsciously) overpedalling on my minimally tweaked V-Piano in the first 3 months after I bought it, and didn't even realize what was happening until I played again on a real piano - a Blüthner grand in a showroom, and found myself submerged in murk as my right foot stayed down through harmonic changes from 3 months' practice of doing so, because I could... Once I got home I increased the decay time (from the default 0 to +70) and damping time, and the string, soundboard and cross resonances until I obtained the same amount of resonances that I heard from that Blüthner, and a week later went back to check on it and other acoustic grands (Fazioli etc) until I was satisfied that I'd tweaked my DP sufficiently. And it's been left that way ever since. But I've seen the same problems from other pianists who practise on DPs at home, when they play on acoustic pianos in showrooms that I visit regularly.
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Once I got home I increased the decay time (from the default 0 to +70) and damping time, and the string, soundboard and cross resonances until I obtained the same amount of resonances that I heard from that Blüthner, and a week later went back to check on it and other acoustic grands (Fazioli etc) until I was satisfied that I'd tweaked my DP sufficiently. And it's been left that way ever since. I wish decay time was adjustable on Roland SN pianos. The default isn't bad, but I like to tweak things. The pedal & key resonances are adjustable, and have to be turned up quite a bit before they are anywhere near realistic levels. These two things - decay time and sympathetic resonance - are the Achilles' heel of most DPs IMO.
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It does affect the way one pedals, as I discovered on my own DP: I started (almost unconsciously) overpedalling on my minimally tweaked V-Piano in the first 3 months after I bought it, and didn't even realize what was happening until I played again on a real piano - a Blüthner grand in a showroom, and found myself submerged in murk as my right foot stayed down through harmonic changes from 3 months' practice of doing so, because I could...
Thanks for sharing that. That's makes complete sense. I'm not advanced enough to pedal without explicit instructions on the music yet, so wouldn't have discovered that, so that's really interesting part about digital pianos that I didn't know about. It was a fluke that I now practice on an acoustic 95% of the time. It was the other way around before I bought my acoustic, and only because I had a $3K budget to buy a replacement for my aging Clavinova, and I found short of the Avant-Grand N2 ($10K at the time) most DP didn't have an authentic feeling action while any $3,000 acoustic did have an authentic feeling action, I decided to get a new acoustic vertical instead of the N2. I admit I've been discovering things about the piano I would otherwise not without an acoustic, but that was just a bonus. I would have certainly bought an NU1 had it been available two years ago for $4K.
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Just an update:
After one week of practicing (approximately 1.5 hours a day) on my NU1 then returning to my teacher's acoustic grand for my second lesson I immediately felt one difference: the acoustic keys vibrate when played while my NU1 does not. I didn't notice that I was more prone to making "bad" notes on the acoustic over the digital though.
There were minor differences in sound too (again a certain kind of "vibratory" sound, I'm not sure how to describe it).
Still all in all, I feel the advantages of the digital meet my needs very much. In particular, playing with headphones; this is a feature I used almost daily (at night and early morning). Even during normal daytime hours I think my wife can only take so many tunes of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and Happy Birthday haha.
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Technology have limitations. The acoustic piano is basically technology that was introduced a long time ago, and it has massive limitations. That's no privacy setting; it doesn't let you record yourself; it doesn't play along with you; it only has that one voice; it doesn't stay in tune; the hammers and action need routine maintenance; and it's generally much louder than it needs to be.
Digital pianos are getting better all the time, but they are still missing something as you have pointed out. In the end, you bought a digital piano because you needed it. If you could live with an acoustic piano, could afford a new one for $4,000, don't mind paying all the maintenance bills, and have no neighbors that would run you out of the building, and not practicing in a tiny practice room, don't need to practice in absolute privacy, then you can afford to learn on a real piano.
By the way, I love technology, and that Nikon 24mm f1.4 G AF-S of yours is a very nice lens. Great photos of kids.
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Yeah there are limits I guess.
If I progress well enough in the years to come maybe I'll move to a grand. But I would still need a digital for silent playing.
I was just at the piano store again today and played with a Yamaha CLP-S408 and immediately felt it was inferior: the key action was very spring-like. When depressed and release the keys popped back up in manner very unlike the acoustics and the NU1. Also. The cabinet was pretty thin and less substantial: for example the falling keyboard cover was thinner and had a metal hinged front lip instead if a thicker wood one. It was also a slide and fold action, not just folding down.
The dealer has just had a large sale event for a local university and each piano on the floor had one ticket on it for each buyer. The NU1 had the most by a factor if three, followed by the U1 and a few grands.
The Nikon lens is a great one. My most used are the 35mm/1.4 and 85mm/1.4. Photography is my other, now seemingly inexpensive, hobby.
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I was just at the piano store again today and played with a Yamaha CLP-S408 and immediately felt it was inferior: the key action was very spring-like.
I expect the NU1 to cannibalize many models in the CLP line.
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I'm interested in getting either the NU1 or the N1 in a month or two. I have not played any of them yet so I don't know which one I'm going to get (if any) but I did take a quick look through the owner manuals yesterday. What I found interesting is that they've added the possibility to toggle the noise gate on and off for the AUX in on the NU1, and also that they've added a "TO HOST" USB port to it as well. I wonder if they've made hardware changes to allow the noise gate to be toggled on and off with the NU1 or if it could be possible on the N1 as well with a future software update? I would like to use my future piano with software pianos as well and the NU1 seems to be making that a bit easier but the N1 has that grand action that I think that I'd like to have, still need to try them both first I couldn't find anything on how to assemble the NU1 in the manual, does it come in one piece? If not, can it be assembled by one person?
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What I found interesting is that they've added the possibility to toggle the noise gate on and off for the AUX in on the NU1, and also that they've added a "TO HOST" USB port to it as well. That's kind of awesome news (the noise gate). Sounds like Yamaha read this forum. The USB thing is a plus too. I should read more manuals. I wonder if they've made hardware changes to allow the noise gate to be toggled on and off with the NU1 or if it could be possible on the N1 as well with a future software update? Hope springs eternal.
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It comes pre-assembled in the box.
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last post was aug 2012 so wondered if there was any new thoughts in the PW community. I am having to consider downsizing from my GC1 disklavier
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If seeing the keys move like on your disklavier is important, then you might want to consider searching for a used Grand Touch with disklavier system. I know I'd love to have that feature on my AG N2. http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/Text_WithCatMenu_XC.html?CNTID=12180The current line up of hybrids have a midi recorder.
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last post was aug 2012 so wondered if there was any new thoughts in the PW community. I am having to consider downsizing from my GC1 disklavier Hello Palmpirate what would you like to knwo about the NU1 ? I own one, and I am really satisfied of it I think most of the things has already been said about this piano Cheers
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thanks for the link 36251 . My dealer didn't mention this piano to me. The key moving independently is not vital to me. i want the feel of playing a full piano with headphones and have recording ability. I will most likely be in a much smaller place so will not have room for a grand any more. We're retiring and downsizing so most likely the piano will stay with the property.
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Thanks for you reply enzo.sandrolini. I am glad to hear you enjoy your NU. I just wondered if people had encountered any problems or any more information was out there since the instrument had been released. I think it offers me all that i am hoping to find . Good sound, good touch, headphones, recording, and compact size. It will be an adjustment - guess I'll have to find a studio to get my acoustic fix!
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Hello Palmirate I have faced no problems at all with my NU1 and after one year, I still love it It is such a huge help for me for making progress in piano technics, and so pleasant to play For my needs, the only real alternative would have been a real piano, but I cannot afford one, as I am living in an apartment But I can say taht I prefre it to the real upright I take lessons one with my teacher (NU1 has better keybed, and is always tuned)
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