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Anyone else unable to see the 13th page of this thread? These database errors are driving me nuts. (I'm actually posting to add something to the 13th page, in case the error is that a post got deleted so there is actually nothin there.) If you see this post and you don't have a problem with this thread, you can ignore it.

Kawai James, pardon my simple questions but I don't have a Kawai store nearby. Comparing the MP10, ES7 and MP6 -- do they all have arranger functions like the ES7, i.e., chord recognition for the rhythms under metronome, variations, etc.? Or is the arranger function stronger on the ES7?
I ask because the ES7 is a very attractive package yet the demo's I've heard show the superiority of the MP10's piano. And the MP6, of course, is somewhere in-between.

Arranger is ES7 only; the others have some sort of drum patterns in the metronome section, but that's it. I'm curious if this post is going to be accessible - by the way the 13th page of this thread was meant as a joke I suppose, or do I really miss so many pages ...(that I can't see)

Important info on my earlier remarks about over the top acoustic effects and reverb ; according to Kawai the start-up presets of the prototype unit seem to have been altered and many effect settings we're set to the max. Factory presets should be a bit more conservative in that respect. Can't check it - due to a lack of factory ES7 - but it may explain (part of) my criticism .

I thought Kawai deserves that nuance to my comments. Hope it is indeed better with factory presets - I'm allergic to overdone effects - they should be reserved for fares and musicals :-)

I don't see how that would be possible. If you press a key, you get Note On. If you release the key above the "middle" sensor (i.e. not high enough to generate a Note Off), and then press down again, the hardware design generates another Note On. The hardware is not generating a Note Off between the two Note On events, and if the hardware doesn't generate it, the software can't receive it. So nothing on the receiving (software) side needs to be changed to recognize this, as the board is still sending out ordinary MIDI note data as it has existed for 30 years. Unless something is really screwy in the software, I can't see why this shouldn't work anywhere.

In fact, if you hook up a Casio PX-3 (triple sensor) to a Nord Stage 2 (no triple sensor), you can play the Nord piano sound from the Casio with the benefit of its third sensor. Kind of a cool side benefit if you were pairing the weighted Casio with the unweighted Nord, for example. (Though overall, I don't think the Casio action feels as good as Nord's own weighted actions.)


Personally, I found the MP10 notably better sounding than the MP6. The MP10 actually managed to cross my threshold of "favorite DP sounds" where the MP6 did not.

But I do understand that they were targeting a $1999 street price (matching the FP-7F perhaps?), so if the UPHI sound would have added $100, $200, whatever, they would have missed their target, even though many of us here might say "hey, we'd pay the extra for that, if we could." (Looked at a different way, the MP10 is $2500; an ES7 with UPHI would almost be an MP10 with speakers for $2000... that would be a great deal! How feasible that--or something close to that--might be probably depends on just how much of the price would be related to the different keybeds. I agree, it sure would have been nice to see.)

The other limitation is, again, we can choose between MIDI controller functions (MP6) or built in speakers (ES7). Same as the choice between the FP-7F and the RD700NX, or the FP-4F and the RD300NX, or the Yamaha P155 and the CP33, or the Casio PX3 and the PX330. I'm sure I'm not the only person who would find it useful to have MIDI controller functions and speakers in the same unit. The only model like that I can think of is the Yamaha CP300 at 70+ lbs.

New ES7 vid. Still near the top of my list, if my back recovers enough to lift it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81k7i_CNcQE

My local Kawai dealer (in central California) claims that they are now shipping ES7s. According to them, the optional stands are back ordered, but the keyboards are being delivered to customers who've pre-ordered.

In any case, if someone actually receives an ES7, please post you're first-hand evaluation of this new Kawai DP!

Hi,

I picked up my ES7 yesterday. Would like to provide you with meaningful insights or some form of review but I'm really just starting out playing piano so that would be rather pointless.

I had some piano lessons for about a year and a half or so when I was around 6 years old but it never really caught on. Did play drums in high school for about 5 or 6 years after which other interests and study/work steered me away from musicmaking completely. Anyway, lately it's been nagging me and I figured I really want to learn to play the piano. Wheter or not i'll become any good at it haha..

Both my dad and brother play in a band (piano / guitar) and I kind of miss the joy of making music myself. So after reading numerous reviews and scouring lots of information from these boards (thanks!) I decided to buy this Kawai and give it a go.

So far I think it's a beautiful instrument and I'm sure it will hog plenty of my time for years to come

Back to practicing my F chord and "When the saints go marching in".

Congratulations, you're one of the first ES7 owners here on this forum (maybe the first?), so please give us all your thoughts on the new board.

Some guy in Germany had a casing resonance (natural frequency of the casing and material that was triggered when playing 'a' -s). But according to the technicians this was the only person who had this problem and exemplary. Perhaps you can verify that you don't have any case resonances when playing over the loudspeakers . I've got a es7 set in reservation , so a little self interest here ;-)

How do you like the keybed and were you able to compare it to other brands before buying the ES ? Especially compared to Casio Px series - which could be a near competitor in terms of feature set. The build quality of the ES and the speakers are of another class though.

Thanks.

Since I am a beginner in the truest sense of the word I can't give you any worthwile in depth opinions on the key action or subtleties in the sound. I do find it a marvelous apparatus though. And If I close my eyes it feels like a proper piano as far as I can remember it (we had one in the living room when I grew up).

I just had a friend over for dinner who has played for a couple of years in his teens and still has an acoustic at home who was really enthousiastic about it.

As far as the resonance problem you mentioned.. I cannot reproduce. The only remark I have is that there is a small nick/dent in the volume knob/slider thing. It is tiny, does not really bother me but I will email the supplier if it is easily replaceable.

I haven't really compared it to other pianos before buying, I mostly bought it based on Specs/Pricerange/Reviews etc. Trying to filter the bullsh*t/bias from those as good as I can. I figured any decent piano would do for me while learning and if I have aquired a particular taste in the future I can always change/upgrade then.

Right now I am not worrying too much about all that and more about lesson three of my course haha. When the saints go marching in.. Whoohaa.

Got a set on order. No idea when it will arrive yet. Hope it will come in one piece and without flaws, cause my MP6 orders went back 4 times, before getting the 5th , which was perfect.

And now that I finely decided, Kawai bring out an MP7 with RH II keybed tomorrow ( my perfect board) ;-) If so, I don't want to know !


Hope we can exchange some experiences with the ES7 soon. Do you have the rest of the Kawai set as well (standard and three pedal unit ) ?

J

JFP, may I ask you what made you decide for the ES7 instead of the CN34, or waiting for the much lower priced PX350? Would be interesting to know which comparisons you made.

Cn34: not available yet. And not portable; I decided I wanted to have the option to be able to move around with the DP , although it won't happen I first instance. Smaller footprint (our living space is limited ); nicer finishing paint (sort of glossy), amp designer, more powerful speaker system (than Casio, not than cn34). The ES looks more classy to me in a living room than the Casio as well. For a studio I wouldn't bother.

Casio : not available yet in the shops for me to test. I'm tired of waiting for something , there's always something new coming , can't wait forever for every next product. Also knowing the RH keybed, which I like a lot and knowing the px3 keybed, which is just not my cup of tea, I doubted that the px350 would be superior in touch to the Kawai. I still worry that I should have tried the Casio first and save me half the money, but since the mp6 was sold and I could make a good deal on the es7 , I just went ahead. I don't think it will disappoint me and perhaps it may be better not to think about the money gap compared to the px350 to much, which is huge !

When the px is out, I think the FP 's of Roland and the ES face some tough competition. But I'm also sure I will enjoy the new RH II a lot. Cn34 was a consideration , but I skipped it for the above reasons. Very nice instrument though for the money and much more classy in design than e.g.the px850 and alike, which I find very industrial and quite ugly; really function first / form later.

Lets see what user reports we'll get later on on the px 350; for now the information is very very limited ( also a reason why I couldn't make a good judgement on the Casio; tech specs alone and demos from Casio or sellers don't tell me enough).

JFP, thanks for the information. The ES7 is a vey nice DP. However, would miss a nice key cover (to avoid gathering dust between the keys) when placed in the living room.

Montano, I believe the ES7 includes a dust cover.

James
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