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Mute the piano and listen again. I can hear the A3-D4 beating to fast indeed. And most intervals I can hear. It same as what I heard during last tuning session. It obviously I don't trust my ear enough.
Will tune again tomorrow and further investigate to A3-A4 to confirm if its too wide or too narrow.
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Last edited by Weiyan; 09/19/12 11:51 PM.
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Hi Weiyan, I'm travelling around for work... About your self-revision (above): A#3-F4 beats too fast,.......Correct B3-F#4 too fast,.......Correct B3-E4 too slow,.......Correct C#4-G#4 too fast,.......Non correct If you like, please revise and comment your (recorded) thirds, in terms of "slow/slower than...", "fast/faster than...". http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-20-sep-2012I'll be back soon. Buon pomeriggio, a.c. .
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Hi Weiyan, Let's listen together to the last recorded thirds: http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-20-sep-2012A3-C#4: Too slow (about 3 bps) A#3-D4: Better than previous, too sweet (about 6 bps) B3-D#4: slower than previous C4-E4: Very very tense, too fast C#4-F4: sweet, too slow (about 4 bps) D4-F#4: Ok, sour, fast D#4-G4: Sweet, slower than previous E4-G#4: Very slow and slower than previous F4-A4: Very tense Perhaps you can compare the 20-sep-thirds with the 15-sep-thirds: http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-15-sep-2012A3-C#4: Fast, beats are in a flow A#3-D4: Slow, about 6 bps B3-D#4: As above C4-E4: Too tense C#4-F4: Slow, about 4 bps D4-F#4: Too tense D#4-G4: Tense and close to correct E4-G#4: Tense, close to correct F4-A4: Sweet. If you like, you may let me know what you hear. In particular, you may compare and notice how A3-C#4, D#4-G4, E4-G#4 and F4-A4 have changed, thinking about color/tension/taste/texture. Regards, a.c. Edit: Typo correction... D#4-F#4 (m3) into D#4-G4 (M3).
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Hi Weiyan, A brief comment before I go out for work. Try to relate beats with the movement of your tuning hammer: in other words, while turning the hammer... do not stop the sound, keep your fingers down onto the keyboard and listen to the interval, how the interval (and the beat-rate) can change. http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fourths-27-sep-2012A#4-D#4, D#4-G4 too perfect. In general, stay closer to "just", try to avoid fourths beating like A#3-D#4 (very very fast! Inverted?), C4-F4 (fast, about 3 bps) and D#4-G#4 (very fast, about 6 bps). http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-27-sep-2012A#3-D4, B3-D#4 too sweet. Yes, your comment is correct; you may now compare A3-C#4, C4-E4, C#4-F4 and F4-A4... let me know what you hear. Have a nice afternoon, a.c. Edit: added F4-A4, which may be compared with those other thirds.
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Good morning Alfredo,
Just listened directly to the piano.
A#3-D#4, Af-F4, D#4-G#4 are ultra fast.
A#3-C4 very slow.
B3-D#4 very fast compare to last interval.
C4-E4 same are little bit slower than previous last interval.
Its easier to hear after rest.
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Weiyan
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Hi,
Today I practice slow move the hammer to listen to beat rate change. Not easy to keep the steady slow move. Only approach correct pitch from upper side. If over shoot, raise and tune again.
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Hi Weiyan, I'm very glad because you've done a nice job! Your thirds progression is much smoother, you are refining your tunings indeed. Insist on making sure A3-A4 and A3-D4 are on the right side and now expand your mid-octave all across your piano. A wider intervals beat-map will help you refine also the original octave. Today I'm visiting my father... Thank you for your wishes, have a nice sunday, Alfredo .
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Hi Alfredo,
My ear open suddenly, and hammer skill improved. I can hear the purity of fifth and fourth. Today I raised 2hz and tuned again, I can refined it to an acceptable thirds progression.
Tune the fifths near pure, fourths begins from 1bps then progress to fast BR. Finally refine A4. The octave is not as wide as I think.
What's next should be more practice.
Also thanks to Kamin(Issac)'s encouragement.
Best wishes to you and your family!
Weiyan
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60s Swing No. 1 from Swinging Rhythms
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My ear open suddenly, and hammer skill improved. I can hear the purity of fifth and fourth. Today I raised 2hz and tuned again, I can refined it to an acceptable thirds progression.
Tune the fifths near pure, fourths begins from 1bps then progress to fast BR. Finally refine A4. The octave is not as wide as I think.
What's next should be more practice.
Also thanks to Kamin(Issac)'s encouragement.
Weiyan
Hi Weiyan, I know exactly what you mean, that happened to me too and I believe that our skills "grow" by going through various degrees (steps?) of awareness. Let me know when you are ready to revise your last post, by listening more attentively to your last recording. Regards, a.c. .
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Good afternoon.
The Mid Autumn festival and National Day holiday is over.
The Base:
A3-E4 too fast, around 1.5bps.
E4-A4 too slow, 1.5bps.
A3-D4 OK, 1bps
D4-A4 > < 2bps
The A3-A4 too narrow.
Thirds
A3-D#4 9 bps, OK
A#3-D4 little slower
B3-D#4, 8 bps, slower
C4-E4, seems ok, but not accurate estimation since previous interval is too slow.
C#4-F4 same as previous interval, too slow
D4-F#4, D#4-G4, E4-G#4, F4-A4, over impression is too fast, but have progression.
Fourths
A3-D4 1.5Bps, too fast
A#3-D#4 too slow, beats like fifth
B3-E4 too slow, beats like fifth
C4-F4 too slow
C#4F#4 Slow
D4-G4 > 2bps, too fast
D#4-G#4, 1.5bps, may ok
E4-A4 1bps, too slow
Improvement
Raise E4, improve C4-E4, A3-E4, B3-E4
Drop A#3, improve A#4-D4, A#3-D#4
Drop B3, improve B3-D#4, B3-E4,
Raise F4, improve D#3-F4, C4-F4
Raise D4, improve D4-F#4, D4-G4
Drop G4, improve D$4-G4, D4-G4
Raise A4, improve A3-E4, E4-A4, making A3-A4 wide enough.
Next time should fine tune the base before rest of the tuning.
A3-E4: 0.5bps
E4A4: 2bps
A3-D4: 1bps,
D4-A4: near pure
Thank you.
Weiyan
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Am Abend No. 2 from Stimmungsbilder, Op. 88
60s Swing No. 1 from Swinging Rhythms
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Good Morning:
This Saturday morning, adjusted F4 and G4 to make A#3-F4, C4-G4 purer.
Listen direct to the piano, A3-E4 too noisy. May due to instability. Corrected.
Have a nice weekend.
Weiyan
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Hi Weiyan, I hope you could enjoy the Mid Autumn festival and National Day. How is that celebrated in Honk Kong? Right now I could only listen to these samples, it seems to me that you have progressed consistently. Hope I can soon be more precise. Good afternoon.
The Mid Autumn festival and National Day holiday is over.
The Base:
A3-E4 too fast, around 1.5bps.
E4-A4 too slow, 1.5bps.
A3-D4 OK, 1bps
D4-A4 > < 2bps
The A3-A4 too narrow.
Thirds
A3-D#4 9 bps, OK
A#3-D4 little slower
B3-D#4, 8 bps, slower
C4-E4, seems ok, but not accurate estimation since previous interval is too slow.
C#4-F4 same as previous interval, too slow
D4-F#4, D#4-G4, E4-G#4, F4-A4, over impression is too fast, but have progression.
Fourths
A3-D4 1.5Bps, too fast
A#3-D#4 too slow, beats like fifth
B3-E4 too slow, beats like fifth
C4-F4 too slow
C#4F#4 Slow
D4-G4 > 2bps, too fast
D#4-G#4, 1.5bps, may ok
E4-A4 1bps, too slow
Improvement
Raise E4, improve C4-E4, A3-E4, B3-E4
Drop A#3, improve A#4-D4, A#3-D#4
Drop B3, improve B3-D#4, B3-E4,
Raise F4, improve D#3-F4, C4-F4
Raise D4, improve D4-F#4, D4-G4
Drop G4, improve D$4-G4, D4-G4
Raise A4, improve A3-E4, E4-A4, making A3-A4 wide enough.
Next time should fine tune the base before rest of the tuning.
A3-E4: 0.5bps
E4A4: 2bps
A3-D4: 1bps,
D4-A4: near pure
Thank you.
Weiyan
Soon I am going to check the above too. I am very glad you could produce that effort. Have a nice Sunday, a.c. .
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Hi Weiyan, Below is your own analysis, my comment follows the line in brackets. http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/chas-29-sep-2012http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-29-sep-2012http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fourths-29-sep-2012A#3-D#4 too just. Beat rate change from D#4-G#4 to E4-A4 not smooth. Don't know how to correct it. http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fifths-29-sep-2012Oh, E3-A4 beats too fast. ..."The Mid Autumn festival and National Day holiday is over. The Base: A3-E4 too fast, around 1.5bps.(yes, perhaps 2 bps) E4-A4 too slow, 1.5bps. (yes, perhaps even slower) A3-D4 OK, 1bps (correct)(Edit(*)) D4-A4 > < 2bps (hmmm... much slower?) The A3-A4 too narrow. (yes) Thirds A3-D#4 9 bps, OK (yes, very little slow) A#3-D4 little slower (yes) B3-D#4, 8 bps, slower (I'm not sure, then I would simply check 4ths and 5th on B3 and D#4) C4-E4, seems ok, but not accurate estimation since previous interval is too slow. C#4-F4 same as previous interval, too slow (yes) D4-F#4, D#4-G4, E4-G#4, F4-A4, over impression is too fast, but have progression. (yes, but D#4-G4 is sweeter than the others) For the time being I have to stop here... Regards, a.c. (*)Edit: In general, it is better to stay a "hair" higher, in consideration of the pitch tendency (drop). Many times, you will be able to "hair" correct any interval by playing a Forte. We want to anticipate "hysteresis".
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Hi Weiyan, Second half, my comment (in brackets) follows yours: Fourths A3-D4 1.5Bps, too fast (I hear less than 1 bps) A#3-D#4 too slow, beats like fifth (yes) B3-E4 too slow, beats like fifth (yes) C4-F4 too slow (?) C#4F#4 Slow ((?) - perhaps this is correct, play the interval a little longer) D4-G4 > 2bps, too fast (yes) D#4-G#4, 1.5bps, may ok (slow) E4-A4 1bps, too slow (yes) Improvement Raise E4, improve C4-E4, A3-E4, B3-E4 Drop A#3, improve A#4-D4, A#3-D#4 Drop B3, improve B3-D#4, B3-E4, Raise F4, improve D#3 (you meant C#4)-F4, C4-F4 (or leave C4-F4(?) and drop C#4(?)...check C#4-G#4...) Raise D4, improve D4-F#4, D4-G4 (yes) Drop G4, improve D$4-G4, D4-G4 (hmmm... check C4-G4...) Raise A4, improve A3-E4, E4-A4, making A3-A4 wide enough. (yes) Next time should fine tune the base before rest of the tuning. (yes, fine and jet temporary) A3-E4: 0.5bps (even slower) E4A4: 2bps (even faster) A3-D4: 1bps,(or a "hair" higher) D4-A4: near pure (yes!) - . - . - . - Well, you have done a very good job! Next: http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/chas-5-oct-2012http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-5-oct-2012http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fourth-5-oct-2012http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fifths-5-oct-2012Regards, a.c.
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