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#1843617 - 02/13/12 04:00 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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I find lacking in the Estonias, I wish it was a louder Piano, I still have plans on purchasing one as I think they are great. But next to a Fazioli (for example) it is a noticeable volume sacrifice...


This may be true for some - but not necessarily for others.

Just like the one before, we just sold our last 225 Estonia to a gentleman who not only compared the piano to above named super star but several others of equally high-highest tier.

Money? No problem: this guy had enough to buy both companies twice over...

Nice to have another remarkable choice - that's what it's all about.

This being said with greatest respect to everyone else out there....

Norbert smile


Edited by Norbert (02/13/12 04:07 AM)
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#1844275 - 02/14/12 03:38 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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How Many Estonia 225's have been built? I played the Namm one and really liked it did anyone else check this one out? Thanks


Edited by Wound up (02/14/12 03:41 AM)

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#1844416 - 02/14/12 10:55 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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1 per month since its introduction. Most have already been sold to customers.
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#1844567 - 02/14/12 03:15 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Thanks Sam,

I Saw the video of you guys having one (I think) What was the impression as compares to other
high end pianos? Thanks for your time j

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#1844606 - 02/14/12 04:15 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Many of the current crop of videos of the 225 are those captured at NAMM (some of mine, some from Keyboard Magazine, etc.) or those recorded at our store with the help of good friends. I'm no recording expert to capture the instrument's true voice, but what was easy to capture is the immediate excitement of those playing and listening to the music from this instrument for the very first time. The music from that piano almost kills you with kindness.

I love the variety of high end pianos. Piano comparisons keep this forum alive, but are about as reliable as eye-witness testimony. Our 225 took more preparation than I was expecting, but that's about the only comment I can think of that isn't absolutely glowing. So I'll reserve my bias and defer to the videos as an introduction to others.

By the way, if you want to gain a sense of volume from the 225, I recommend this video.
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#1844616 - 02/14/12 04:35 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Wow!!! wow
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#1844708 - 02/14/12 06:59 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: PaintedPostDave]
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Originally Posted By: PaintedPostDave
Wow!!! wow
Yeah. That guy knows what he's doing. smile
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#1844785 - 02/14/12 09:11 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Pretty cool to see a passionate piano player who is also a passionate piano maker!
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#1844801 - 02/14/12 09:32 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: MrMagic]
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Thanks Sam,

Yeah it seems like a wonderful instrument-- It certainly seems louder then I was remembering when Indrek Laul crashes on it!

I like the Video of Dr. Laul's wife playing Namm 2012 the best though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IngEZmZt33Y
she made it sound so pretty__ I wonder what she is playing...??

I wish someone who bought one would do a review! cheers

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#1844805 - 02/14/12 09:44 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Wound up]
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Originally Posted By: Wound up

I like the Video of Dr. Laul's wife playing Namm 2012 the best though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IngEZmZt33Y
she made it sound so pretty__ I wonder what she is playing...??


There are two women featured in the video. The first is playing the Schumann Fantasy Opus 17. The second is playing the first movement of the Schumann Piano Concerto.
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#1844969 - 02/15/12 01:45 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: carey]
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Thanks Carey,

for access to my new favorite piece,

Also, I decided to throw down and put a deposit on a 225_ Thanks to all you at PW for helping inform me whilst I was lurking these last few months__
Now time to practice

j

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#1844985 - 02/15/12 02:10 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Wound up]
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Originally Posted By: Wound up

Also, I decided to throw down and put a deposit on a 225_


Now THAT is really exciting !!!!!!!!!! thumb

Congratulations !!
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#1845189 - 02/15/12 10:45 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Wound up]
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Originally Posted By: Wound up
Also, I decided to throw down and put a deposit on a 225_ Thanks to all you at PW for helping inform me whilst I was lurking these last few months__
Now time to practice

j
Good decision! smile
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#1847154 - 02/18/12 05:48 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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I have heard the 5'6" and the 190, This one seems to be all the way there does anyone (dealers invited to comment) have any insight about how this one measures up?? thx j

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#1847648 - 02/19/12 04:19 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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oops, 'this one' meaning the 225/7'4"

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#1847913 - 02/19/12 04:16 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Wound up,

Given that it is an incredibly new model, their limited production and that only a few Estonia dealers that have received one participate on this forum...you'll likely hear from the same 3-4 people that have already posted in this thread.

If you have a specific question, I would talk to your local dealer or PM me and I'll do my best to answer it. I believe we have 1 of only 2 available in the U.S. right now.
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#1850508 - 02/24/12 12:45 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Thanks Again Sam,

I played the 225 Estonia for the 2012 Namm show, It sounds really great and special, Sweet and solid.

Though.. the 'aound middle c' section was voiced down too far for my tastes. --Duller further away sounding -- not has good as other Estonia's out of the crate --to me. (speaking to the voicing of the hammers only) I also saw the 190 Pyramid Mahogany model in MPLS and it Also had the same voicing issue. I pulled the action and you could physically see that there was work done to the 'offending -to me' hammers....

*Questions: Would you have any reservations about purchasing such an Instrument -- Namm/heavily played by some monster players for 3 days? and How about the voicing issue-- would one try to voice it up? or is it worth it to rehammer that section? I know that I am being critical but -- buying a NEW piano - I do not want to live with ANY unneeded compromises...


There are several great youtube videos Gleen Stewart playing Giant Steps on the Estonia 225 from Namm 2012, Is dizzying with players with that kind of finger strength the paino doesn't sound dull at all-- but for lil ol me it is a bit bagged out in the middle--
(when the actions were pullewd you could see the weird sounding sections had treated-softened/needled hammers--)

Any insight or suggestions would be most welcome -

fwiw JimLaabs has that SO Pretty 190



Edited by Wound up (02/24/12 12:48 AM)

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#1850594 - 02/24/12 07:56 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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This piano was the high point of NAMM 2012 for me. Can't wait to receive one.
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#1850726 - 02/24/12 12:38 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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A bit off topic, but since this is the first Estonia thread I see on the index page ...

Happy Birthday, Estonia!

And by that I mean Estonia the country that declared independence on the 24th of February, 1918.

I learnt that it's Estonia's "birthday" from watching Colbert Report where Stephen Colbert gave a shout-out to Estonia for said "birthday" and complimented the country for having a good PR department.

Anyway, enjoy your pianos. smile
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#1850782 - 02/24/12 01:58 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Thanks J Rugerro, You are making me feel even better and less paranoid about buying that piano. Cheers j

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#1954536 - 09/05/12 11:34 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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At the risk of perhaps being old news, the brand new Estonia grand 6'10 will be officially unveiled in October this year.

Congratulations to Ori who is the first having received this model! thumb

We pre-purchased the model to be shown during next NAMM.

Preliminary reports from trustworthy insiders are excellent but of course like all "experts" - could be wrong. laugh

Perhaps a number of other brands will also introduce new models for 2013 - could be interesting year for the industry!

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (09/05/12 11:39 PM)
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#1965416 - 09/27/12 06:09 PM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Hi Norbert,

Congratulations on grabbing the NAMM Estonia 210

Are you going to be there? I am planning on going __ Looking forward to Seeing the Estonia Show Area.

I am Just now getting around to installing the 225 I had a climate control issue so it has been in proper storage..

Does anyone have any ideas how the new 210 compares to the 225?

Best J

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#1965618 - 09/28/12 04:45 AM Re: New Estonia 7'4 grand [Re: Norbert]
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Originally Posted By: Norbert
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I find lacking in the Estonias, I wish it was a louder Piano, I still have plans on purchasing one as I think they are great. But next to a Fazioli (for example) it is a noticeable volume sacrifice...


This may be true for some - but not necessarily for others.

Just like the one before, we just sold our last 225 Estonia to a gentleman who not only compared the piano to above named super star but several others of equally high-highest tier.

Money? No problem: this guy had enough to buy both companies twice over...

Nice to have another remarkable choice - that's what it's all about.

This being said with greatest respect to everyone else out there....

Norbert smile


Tone isn't all about volume, it's about quality and being able to work it.

It also depends on how the piano is being used, if you want a piano for a concert hall, and it's going to be used for concertos with orchestra, you need something a bit bigger sounding perhaps, but if it's going to be used for chamber music, and even solo recitals, you need a wide colour palette, but not the loudest piano ever.

Besides, after a while, many pianos go loud!

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