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#1965624 - 09/28/12 05:04 AM Flow?
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Something interesting happened to me yesterday when I was practicing. After several hours of practicing that day, struggling with alberti bass in tenths in Beethoven's Op 90 Sonata and some of the awkward arpeggios in Brahms's Op 119 No 4, everything suddenly became so very obvious, like a revelation telling me "this is how you do it". The difficult tenths in the Op 90 sonata suddenly came very easy to me. I believe I was playing better than ever. I was in a flow. I felt like nothing was unplayable for me, every thing was possible! Scales, arpeggios, drills in thirds, everything I attempted went smoothly and I could play it at any speed rate I wanted, higher tempos than I had ever dreamed of attempting earlier! Today, all this was gone, and I obviously became very frustrated. My question is, what kind of phenomenom is this? It almost felt like it came from somewhere else, like someone else was in my body when I was playing. It felt like my fingers were basically flying all over the keyboard yesterday, but the next day, everything was gone. Has this ever happened to any of you? Do you recognize this?

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#1965627 - 09/28/12 05:20 AM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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Yes, I recognize it. We've had some threads about it, although none recently.

And yes, it's very frustrating when the spell is broken and you can't just return to it simply because you want to. But you can learn how to aim yourself in that direction...

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#1965633 - 09/28/12 06:53 AM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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Yes. laugh You feel so happy during that day when you play so well, and from that day on, you aspire to be that person again...which ultimately leads to a permanent improvement.
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#1965636 - 09/28/12 07:19 AM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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#1965637 - 09/28/12 07:21 AM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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The same happens in other fields too by the way, like art and poetry.
At the moment for example I just cannot stop drawing.
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#1965648 - 09/28/12 07:48 AM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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That happens to me when I'm on the verge of a breakthrough, although it's usually just in one area for me, like the ascending tenths in LVB opus 90. Just keep working through your frustration for awhile, and see what happens.

Tomasino


Edited by tomasino (09/28/12 07:52 AM)
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#1965668 - 09/28/12 08:36 AM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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Originally Posted By: Franz Beebert
...... My question is, what kind of phenomenom is this? It almost felt like it came from somewhere else, like someone else was in my body when I was playing. It felt like my fingers were basically flying all over the keyboard yesterday, but the next day, everything was gone. Has this ever happened to any of you? Do you recognize this? .......


I can empathize. Yesterday's result could've been the by-product of something relatively indirect. For example, you could've decided for a hot minute to focus solely on the way you release notes - and, voila! - everything else fell into place.

It also could've been that during your earlier struggle, you were (subliminally?) over-taxing your smaller muscle groups. They then decided that they've had enough. In response, the support system from your larger muscle groups came into play in a way that's different - and more beneficial - than before.

Whatever happened, it was about an interference being removed.

So on the next day (this is speculation), instead of doing the things that caused your mind-body mechanism to work efficiently, you tried to re-create the feeling that you got when everything was working so well.

Nope. It's a new day. Pretend that the results of yesterday didn't happen. Start over. Start methodically, with simple goals. Over the course of today's practice sessions, you may not re-create what you did before, but you just might educe something just as wonderful.

Enjoy the work!


Edited by Gerard12 (09/28/12 12:43 PM)
Edit Reason: I guess I must've misplaced my copy of "Grammar & Punctuation for Dummies."
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#1965728 - 09/28/12 11:18 AM Re: Flow? [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
The same happens in other fields too by the way, like art and poetry.
At the moment for example I just cannot stop drawing.

Very true. I have read been reading alot of philosophy lately, and somewhere between the lines, I feel that art in general is in a way the closest way to true wisdom, if you know what I mean.. Perhaps that's the reason why these feelings often occur in art..

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#1965821 - 09/28/12 02:35 PM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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I agree with Gerard12, this part:

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It also could've been that during your earlier struggle, you were (subliminally?) over-taxing your smaller muscle groups. They then decided that they've had enough. In response, the support system from your larger muscle groups came into play in a way that's different - and more beneficial - than before.

Whatever happened, it was about an interference being removed.



Maybe the key is always trying to understand what physically is interfering with one's ability to perform technically, rather than to keep playing the same way that doesn't work. (Easier said than done.)
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#1965992 - 09/28/12 10:45 PM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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1. You asked, "Do you recognize this?", to which I respond "Arghhh! Yes!"

2. Here is the thread I posted a while back
Question about 'on' days

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#1965997 - 09/28/12 11:00 PM Re: Flow? [Re: Gerard12]
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Originally Posted By: Gerard12
For example, you could've decided for a hot minute to focus solely on the way you release notes - and, voila! - everything else fell into place.


Can you expand a bit on the releases? I've never heard anyone mention that.

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#1966216 - 09/29/12 12:14 PM Re: Flow? [Re: Arghhh]
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Arghh, I was just looking for an example of concentration being thrown upon one facet in such a manner that it 'allows' other facets - maybe "processes" is a better word - to work unimpeded.

Paying exaggerated attention to note releases is one of the 'games' I play while practicing - especially when I'm unhappy about something and I can't put my finger on exactly what it is (no pun intended).
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#1966410 - 09/29/12 05:36 PM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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Originally Posted By: Franz Beebert
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
The same happens in other fields too by the way, like art and poetry.
At the moment for example I just cannot stop drawing.

Very true. I have read been reading alot of philosophy lately, and somewhere between the lines, I feel that art in general is in a way the closest way to true wisdom, if you know what I mean.. Perhaps that's the reason why these feelings often occur in art..


It is interesting that Van Gogh for example started painting very late in life (at 29, and he died at 37), although he had been drawing before.
I don't think we should ever suppress our inspiration. If it comes, there is a reason! smile Although... as others have noticed, it is disappointing when you have been "there", and then you are suddenly back "here"...
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#1966415 - 09/29/12 05:40 PM Re: Flow? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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I've experienced that few times. It's like you're surfing and riding the crest of a wave, everything becomes effortless.

It's a nice feeling when it happens.
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