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#1964669 - 09/26/12 09:42 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: BrokenChord]
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The SP32 will not work with the PX-150 or PX-350. You need a SP33. I'm certain Kraft could sell you an SP33 separately.
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#1964766 - 09/26/12 01:20 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: xorbe]
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Originally Posted By: xorbe
Originally Posted By: Marvin Eight
Still trying to figure out the choice between a px-350 and a used MO8.

The MO8 is almost twice as heavy (46.3 lbs) and significantly deeper (15.3") and has BHE not GHS/GH. I looked at a MOX8 before getting my 330 -- MOX8 is awesome, but it's a mountain of wizardry! Depends on what you want. I just wanted a 3-pedal setup with okay piano sound/key feel, and a GM patch set for kicks. I suspect the MO8 doesn't excel at realistic acoustic piano sound -- it's a synth not a digital piano.


Yeah, I've checked out both a motif xs8 and a MOX8 as well. Both are ssweeeet keyboards and amazing toys. In fact, I could get either one used for around $1200, but that's nearly double the PX-350's price and funds are tight. The XS8 is also huuuuge, not that I'm gigging with it or anything. I really look forward to hearing and playing the px-350 when it finally arrives at the local GC.

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#1964845 - 09/26/12 03:51 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
The SP32 will not work with the PX-150 or PX-350. You need a SP33. I'm certain Kraft could sell you an SP33 separately.


Does the SP33 support progressive half-pedalling or is it just none/half/full like the SP32?


Edited by kmf123kmf (09/26/12 03:51 PM)

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#1964862 - 09/26/12 04:11 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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kmf123kmf,
The SP32 and SP33 BOTH support a "progressive half-pedaling." It is a variable controller from 0-127 in MIDI values. Not an on/off switch. The SP33 is actually velocity sensitive. The force at which you press the pedal also impacts the volume of the "damper sound". You can hear the dampers lifting off the strings and this will be either very subtle or more noticeable based on the how quickly you stomp on the damper pedal.


Edited by Mike_Martin (09/26/12 04:12 PM)
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#1964883 - 09/26/12 04:46 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
The SP32 and SP33 BOTH support a "progressive half-pedaling." It is a variable controller from 0-127 in MIDI values. Not an on/off switch. The SP33 is actually velocity sensitive. The force at which you press the pedal also impacts the volume of the "damper sound". You can hear the dampers lifting off the strings and this will be either very subtle or more noticeable based on the how quickly you stomp on the damper pedal.

Oooh. One would think that this would be much more visibly advertised on the Casio tech specs web page ... but all it says is "Half-Damper pedal Operation"

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#1964926 - 09/26/12 05:43 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: xorbe]
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Originally Posted By: xorbe
Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
The SP32 and SP33 BOTH support a "progressive half-pedaling." It is a variable controller from 0-127 in MIDI values. Not an on/off switch. The SP33 is actually velocity sensitive. The force at which you press the pedal also impacts the volume of the "damper sound". You can hear the dampers lifting off the strings and this will be either very subtle or more noticeable based on the how quickly you stomp on the damper pedal.

Oooh. One would think that this would be much more visibly advertised on the Casio tech specs web page ... but all it says is "Half-Damper pedal Operation"

Thanks for that info Mike!

"Half-pedaling" is yet another poorly descriptive term in this market space. "Partial-pedaling" or "continuous-pedaling" would have been better. But what can you do?
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#1964929 - 09/26/12 05:48 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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I can change it. I'll get our website updated asap. Which means that might take a while....so much going on. smile
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#1964940 - 09/26/12 06:06 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
kmf123kmf,
The SP32 and SP33 BOTH support a "progressive half-pedaling." It is a variable controller from 0-127 in MIDI values. Not an on/off switch. The SP33 is actually velocity sensitive. The force at which you press the pedal also impacts the volume of the "damper sound". You can hear the dampers lifting off the strings and this will be either very subtle or more noticeable based on the how quickly you stomp on the damper pedal.


Thanks Mike. My impression of the SP32 behavior is based on how Pianoteq seems to interpret it. I think it must be the lack of velocity sensitivity that's making it seem like more of a switch.

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#1964942 - 09/26/12 06:08 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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I'm practically certain the SP32 has only three states: off/up, half, and full. Someone in this forum actually reverse engineered it.

Greg.


Edited by sullivang (09/26/12 06:09 PM)

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#1964944 - 09/26/12 06:11 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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There may be a difference between what happens INTERNALLY versus what is sent via MIDI. I'll do my best to confirm asap. Based on my experience with Privia, INTERNALLY it is operating full range.
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#1964949 - 09/26/12 06:21 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Here's the thread/post I was thinking of:

Sustain Pedal Recommendation

The author was actually working with the PX-120 (and I'm not sure whether the SP32 is compatible with that model), but the physical interface on my PX-330 (underneath) at least looks the same as the one in the author's writeup.

Greg.


Edited by sullivang (09/26/12 07:55 PM)

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#1964954 - 09/26/12 06:30 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Well, I just ordered a PX-150 and the SP-33. CS-67 arrived via Amazon Prime today. I put it together...my roommates wanted to know why I bought a "desk" that doesnt have a table-top smirk

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#1964961 - 09/26/12 06:57 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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I have confirmed that via MIDI the SP33 is sending three values. Based on what I'm hearing when I play it, I still believe the pedal is transmitting a full range of values to the internal sound engine. I'm certainly prepared to put foot in mouth if I'm wrong but I've sent a note to our team in Tokyo to confirm.
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#1965203 - 09/27/12 10:47 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Update to a topic that was discussed earlier regarding velocity resolution. The new Privia models support the high resolution MIDI velocity specification.

http://www.midi.org/techspecs/ca31.pdf

For every note value sent, Privia is also transmitting the appropriate CC#88 to go with it.



This makes the Privia models an ideal controller for software products such as Pianoteq 4 which support high resolution MIDI. Also correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware of any other digital piano that supports this specification.



Edited by Mike_Martin (09/27/12 10:47 AM)
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#1965289 - 09/27/12 01:17 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_Martin
For every note value sent, Privia is also transmitting the appropriate CC#88 to go with it.

...
This makes the Privia models an ideal controller for software products such as Pianoteq 4 which support high resolution MIDI. Also correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware of any other digital piano that supports this specification.

Wow, great feature! Off hand, I don't know any MIDI controller that supports this except for the $3000 VAX77.

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#1966129 - 09/29/12 09:22 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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After a lot of delay, I decided to order a DP, the PX-350 smile FINALLY.

Started considering different DPs some 6 months ago and then moving and other things got in the way. In the process I thought about MIDI keyboards and software pianos, Kawais, Yamahas and Rolands. At one point I almost bought the F-120, but then the more I tried it, the more I hated the supernatural sound.

After some time I got back into DP-exploring and noticed that Yamaha P-105 and new Casios were on their way. I don't really like the GHS action and featurelessness of the P-105 so I went for the PX-350. Time to end the reign of Roland EXR-3.

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#1966221 - 09/29/12 12:23 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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#1966235 - 09/29/12 12:56 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Amazing - a DPBSD review and analysis on a piano that hasn't even been released yet! Thanks dewster and Mike Martin for making this possible. What a nice surprise to wake up to this morning smile

(Posted over here to keep the clutter down in the project thread.)

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#1966249 - 09/29/12 01:27 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Quote:
- Fails the silent replay test - note damps @ pedal up.

What is that, and why does pretty much every DP "fail" that test? Just curious. (I didn't want to clutter the official DPBSD thread with that question a few weeks ago, but now seems like a good time to ask.)

Anyways, looks like I'll be upgrading around Christmas to the PX-350 then!

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#1966262 - 09/29/12 02:01 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: xorbe]
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Okee dokee went to Sam Ash this morning and the PX350 had just arrived since my last visit a few days ago.

The speakers IMHO are much improved of those in the PX-150 and seem to cover the entire dynamic range of the piano sounds; I feel as though the PX-150 speakers sound somewhat hallow.

I played all 4 boards (130/330/150/350)and have the following observations:
I am glad I purchased my 130 in April- never felt as though I wished I waited. I will use it as a gigging/open mic/songwriting group piano.
330- I considered this when getting the P95 but did not need the extra sounds at the time.
150- 130 seems more playable with the speakers
350- I did not really cycle though settings but I liked it.
I might get one. What did I like? Of the 7-9 different piano sounds I really enjoyed the Mellow and Dolce ones. I heard more of the lower middle range EQ through the speakers.
I go back to the 130 for a few minutes, and find I like the design of the 350's action. It offers something: Does not have the "plastic" feel of some of the other boards- not that those are unsatisfactory.

Of the 3 boards that are new this week in stores: I like the PX350 the best, followed by the P105 and the P150.
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#1966300 - 09/29/12 03:08 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Yeah. The PX-350 is kinda awesome. I agree with a lot of your observations. I like the "Classic" and "Dolce" too, and surprising to me, the bright "Rock" piano better than previously.
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#1966315 - 09/29/12 03:23 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Wonderful to hear that the new PX-350 is such an improvement. I'd love to read comparisons with the more expensive Kawai and Roland models.
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#1966352 - 09/29/12 04:19 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
Yeah. The PX-350 is kinda awesome. I agree with a lot of your observations. I like the "Classic" and "Dolce" too, and surprising to me, the bright "Rock" piano better than previously.


In your store- what is feedback from your customers? - I agree about the "Rock" piano- it is not your typical brittle sound that normally constitutes that variation on various boards
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#1966379 - 09/29/12 04:47 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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I havent gotten to take my PX-150 out of the box to play it as I've come down with a cold or something. I feel really bad this week, I hate being sick.

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#1966420 - 09/29/12 05:46 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]
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You mean since yesterday when the PX-350 arrived? wink Not much yet, but the upgrades of the PX-350 are obvious to even the non-players in my office.
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#1966429 - 09/29/12 05:53 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Compared to the PX-350 how bad are the speakers on the PX-150?

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#1966490 - 09/29/12 07:38 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: BrokenChord]
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Compared to the PX-350 how bad are the speakers on the PX-150?
Bad? They aren't just bad, they are mean mad ...don't let them in your house or they'll burn it down and steal your children. shocked

Don't get over-anxious and nervous waiting. Enjoy your purchase. Even if they were the very best ever for a portable, you should still consider external speakers or quality headphones as part of your investment. That type of small, internal speaker is always limited. Relax, plug it in, and write your own review.
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#1966512 - 09/29/12 08:25 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: xorbe]
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Originally Posted By: xorbe
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- Fails the silent replay test - note damps @ pedal up.

What is that, and why does pretty much every DP "fail" that test? Just curious. (I didn't want to clutter the official DPBSD thread with that question a few weeks ago, but now seems like a good time to ask.)

Good question, and quite germane to that thread.

There's a readme associated with the DPBSD MIDI file at the share point that describes the tests, though parts of it are fairly cryptic. The fine print at the bottom of the DPBSD first post also describe the tests (see #3).

It goes like this:
1. Play a key and hold it.
2. Press the damper pedal.
3. Release the key.
4. Play the same key very lightly so that it doesn't actually play and hold it.
5. Release the damper pedal.
6. Release the key.

The note should continue to play all the way to step 6, though most fail at step 5. I imagine it takes a fair amount of book keeping to follow all the steps. That a few DPs & software pianos actually do is rather interesting.
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#1966515 - 09/29/12 08:31 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: BrokenChord
Compared to the PX-350 how bad are the speakers on the PX-150?
Bad? They aren't just bad, they are mean mad ...don't let them in your house or they'll burn it down and steal your children. shocked

So, I do get and appreciate the subjectivity thing, but how different would you say the PX-150 and PX-350 speakers/amps really are?
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#1966530 - 09/29/12 08:54 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: dewster]
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Thats what I wanted to know since someone above said that the PX-150 speakers werent that good and then another person said the P-105 was a better keyboard frown


Edited by BrokenChord (09/29/12 08:55 PM)

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