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#1962276 - 09/21/12 08:17 PM New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105
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Well, we had our second new arrival today...a P105 arrived after lunch (just one by the way, not sure where the rest of my initial order is??) and we opened it right up. It's now sitting in the stand and pedals just 3 feet from the new Casio PX-150.

I'm looking for the reviews from others to come soon. I'm not going to spend time on a Friday night giving a lengthy, complete review, but I'll say that in this race of $599 slabs, I think Yamaha won many important points.

I clearly hear 2 layers in the Pure CF engine but I suspect a 3rd. The new speakers sound great. Really great, IMO. The action is the same, slightly under-weight GHS, but I really preferred both the Yamaha tone and the action's connection. The controls layout is pretty good and the new finish is more attractive. Thanks again to the speakers, but most of the other sounds are very enjoyable. My colleague had a blast figuring out the new rhythms function. Through headphones, you can definitely hear the weakness of details in the CF sample, but it is pleasing overall. Good board. Finally a big upgrade from the P85.

The Casio has an excellent, firm action. It has the look of a more expensive machine. Up close, I can see gentle ripples in the control console and of the two I've opened, one had a ding. I love the volume knob. The sound is very detailed and has great resonance and high partials, but seems to be missing low harmonics through large sections of the scale. I like the sound but I don't love the sound. The speakers are a disappointment for me. They have power but sound small. I like most textured keytops but I think these are overdone. They don't bother me, but they aren't the same subtle, pleasant texture from the AP-620 and the like. The other sounds are pretty good to very good for the price range, but again, the speakers were the weakness in listening to these. The action is super responsive but the curve is not quite natural.

I confess I have had extremely high hopes for the Casio and fairly low expectations that the Yamaha would improve so demonstrably. I was expecting a warmed over P85/95 and with Casio, I was hoping for another underpriced monster that chips away at the market dominance of Yamaha in that segment. Expectations. What are you going to do?

Anyone else have an opinion to share?
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#1962288 - 09/21/12 08:44 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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The term "managing expectations" comes to mind. You didn't expect much from the Yamaha, and were pleasantly surprised. Perhaps higher hopes for the Casio, which...

Not trying to be sour grapes...competition improves the breed, and I hope the new Casios do well for the brand, and shake up the usual suspects.


Edited by dje31 (09/21/12 09:16 PM)
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#1962292 - 09/21/12 09:01 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
The Casio (...) I like most textured keytops but I think these are overdone. They don't bother me, but they aren't the same subtle, pleasant texture from the AP-620 and the like.

Mike posted this pro shot of the keyboard, and the texture is clear. He chalked it up to lighting, but the photo doesn't lie apparently:


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#1962369 - 09/22/12 01:42 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: xorbe]
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Was at a Peter Gabriel concert tonight and Phils games this weekend- so won't make it to any stores until mid- next week:

Sam-as a P95 owner, do you think it would be worth an upgrade if it was $300?

In terms of the PX150, I am wondering if the tweeters on the 350 will make a difference with the comparable sound.

How is the second grand piano sound on the P105; is it a brighter version?
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#1962448 - 09/22/12 08:14 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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I thought the speakers and wattage on the px 50 series where all the same except for the 850 ?

The underpowered speakers is one of he reasons for me to choose the es7 over the px 350. But you can't have it all; low weight and a powerful amp and speaker system. Something's got to give..., also the ES is almost twice the price of the px , so better speakers is no surprise. The aging PHi engine is however an (unpleasant) surprise. Therefore the Casio was still on my list, but from your review I understand its not really that good - thin piano sound , despite longer samples and overdone texture ?

Shame the casios are still not in the shops, want to pull the trigger before the coming tax hike here...please keep us posted.

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#1962456 - 09/22/12 08:35 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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What's the weight difference between the P105 and the PX150?
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#1962475 - 09/22/12 09:37 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: ClsscLib]
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Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
What's the weight difference between the P105 and the PX150?

Their specs are on the companies' web sites. The Casio is just a little lighter. Less than 2 lbs difference.

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#1962516 - 09/22/12 10:41 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: Possum SP280Krome]
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Originally Posted By: Possum P95
Sam-as a P95 owner, do you think it would be worth an upgrade if it was $300?

In terms of the PX150, I am wondering if the tweeters on the 350 will make a difference with the comparable sound.

How is the second grand piano sound on the P105; is it a brighter version?
Dude...you've asked the upgrade question six times in six threads. How is anybody supposed to answer that for you. Your wait is almost over. Go and then share with us.

On the PX-350, I can only guess but I do think the tweeters could be a big help. I'm still super excited for the PX-350. With the improved action and record to USB added to the other basics, I think it will be an incredibly affordable professional board.

If Casio puts this action in a stripped down MIDI controller, it would be a game changer, IMO. It can't fully compete with the actions of the 50+ lb. heavyweights, but compared to what is out there, I would develop that product. From a functional standpoint, the heavy-textured keys are good and very practical. It is just well beyond what you will feel on any acoustic.


The second piano on the Yamaha is very bright. I won't use it, but I don't gig.
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#1962559 - 09/22/12 12:15 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
The action is super responsive but the curve is not quite natural.

I only had an opportunity to try it briefly, but that was basically my quick take on it as well. Fantastic feeling action, but unnatural velocity response. I'm hoping to be able to spend some more time with one next week.

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#1962591 - 09/22/12 01:20 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
I clearly hear 2 layers in the Pure CF engine but I suspect a 3rd. The new speakers sound great. Really great, IMO. The action is the same, slightly under-weight GHS, but I really preferred both the Yamaha tone and the action's connection. The controls layout is pretty good and the new finish is more attractive. Thanks again to the speakers, but most of the other sounds are very enjoyable. My colleague had a blast figuring out the new rhythms function. Through headphones, you can definitely hear the weakness of details in the CF sample, but it is pleasing overall. Good board. Finally a big upgrade from the P85.

Is there any pedal sympathetic resonance? Could you comment also on decay time and audible looping?
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#1962672 - 09/22/12 04:44 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Is there any pedal sympathetic resonance? Could you comment also on decay time and audible looping?
Umm, I can't...we already sold it. smile I hope the rest of my order comes next week.
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#1962696 - 09/22/12 05:38 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Some newbee Questions for those in the know
1. The 105 seems to be going for a 100.00 more than the 95, at this time, is it worth it, that much improvement?
2. The 105 if i read it right does not have midi, would this be a problem if u wanted to connect ur 105 to say a motif or other workstation? Would u need a adapter if so how much is that?
3. P-95=499.00, P-105=599.00, PX-350=799.00, not thinking about sound or feel what are you getting in the px thats missing from the say 105, other than alot more voices, more control options?
4. Finally, setting everything else aside, which of the above 3 have the best on-board speakers/sound?
Thx, Duke

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#1962856 - 09/22/12 10:35 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: Duke-N-NY]
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Originally Posted By: Duke-N-NY
Some newbee Questions for those in the know
1. The 105 seems to be going for a 100.00 more than the 95, at this time, is it worth it, that much improvement?

No one can answer that for you. How much better it sounds is subjective. (And for that matter, $100 difference is a lot more to some people than to others.) However, I am put off by the fact that the 105 does not have standard MIDI ports. Which brings me to...

Originally Posted By: Duke-N-NY
2. The 105 if i read it right does not have midi, would this be a problem if u wanted to connect ur 105 to say a motif or other workstation? Would u need a adapter if so how much is that?

Yes. If you're not connecting via a computer, you would need an adapter to MIDI it up to another keyboard, which more than doubles the price difference between the P95 and P105. There's the iConnectMIDI for $180, and a less versatile piece that would be a bit less from Kenton in the U.K. It's good that there are these options available, but it's an unfortunate circumstance that dropping MIDI ports from keyboards forces you to have to deal with the nuisance of it, and one more possible source of problems.

Originally Posted By: Duke-N-NY
3. P-95=499.00, P-105=599.00, PX-350=799.00, not thinking about sound or feel what are you getting in the px thats missing from the say 105, other than alot more voices, more control options?

You should download the manuals from their web sites, to get a thorough look at their features and operations.

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#1963379 - 09/23/12 09:43 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
The Casio has an excellent, firm action. The sound is very detailed and has great resonance and high partials, but seems to be missing low harmonics through large sections of the scale.

Is this true when run through good monitors, or is it just when run through it's internal speakers?

I've been lurking around here for awhile, and decided to register so I could ask you this question.

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#1963413 - 09/23/12 10:59 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: mrcpro]
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Originally Posted By: mrcpro
Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
The Casio has an excellent, firm action. The sound is very detailed and has great resonance and high partials, but seems to be missing low harmonics through large sections of the scale.

Is this true when run through good monitors, or is it just when run through it's internal speakers?

I've been lurking around here for awhile, and decided to register so I could ask you this question.
The speakers on a portable always limit the amount of detail that comes through. On my second shot at it, I listened with thru the speakers, through inexpensive headphones (ATH-M2X), and better ones (DT770). There is a lot of detail there. I stand by my comments about the "concert grand" piano sound. I now prefer the "classic" grand and would add to my original review specifically to say the the speakers are very pleasant for all of the extra sounds...for the piano sound, I'd hoped for more out of the speakers.
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#1963415 - 09/23/12 11:01 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: mrcpro]
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Most of us have not played the new Privias as they are barely reaching stores. As far as the sound goes, on board speakers have limitations. If you want to hear the piano at its best, plan on bringing a good pair of headphones with you.

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#1963458 - 09/24/12 12:20 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Most of us have not played the new Privias as they are barely reaching stores.

Exactly - which is why I was asking. There isn't one within 500 miles of where I live. But this guy's got one already.

My own use for this piano would be on a praise team primarily, run through my personal monitors and the house sound system. That's why I was asking. The internal speakers are nice to have for rehearsal but for me their sound is not important. The sound of the piano itself is very important however.

I appreciate the comments about the P-105 and would consider it if it had MIDI - kind of a requirement for my purposes. I know that the PX-150 has no MIDI either but the 350 does, and since they share the same main piano sound I was trying to get a feel for what that comment about it being shy on low harmonics was all about.

Anyway I can't wait to get my hands on a PX-350. But that's not even released yet.

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#1963474 - 09/24/12 01:09 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: mrcpro]
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If you want to get an idea of what the PX-350 sounds like use a good pair of headphones or speakers and click the link below. I thought the AP sound was impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJgEtHwMx9s&feature=player_embedded


Edited by galaxy4t (09/24/12 01:18 AM)

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#1963481 - 09/24/12 01:35 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Yeah I've seen that video and listened to it a lot through both quality headphones and monitors. I think the piano sounds full and fantastic.

That's why I was looking for clarification from Sam Bennett. Is he basing his judgement of the PX-150 and P105 through their internal amplification only (which is valid of course), or does the P105 just smoke the PX-150 when they are both run through good external amplification?

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#1963636 - 09/24/12 11:36 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Does CF Sound Engine sound very different from P95?

I tried P95 and Casio's PX135. I liked P95 much better.

Also, what do you think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrM7TzRVWhI

I didn't see this happen in the store but I am a novice.

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#1963679 - 09/24/12 01:01 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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I found this video in YouTube...What do you think?
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#1963855 - 09/24/12 06:07 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: mrcpro]
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Well, when it comes to the sound and touch of any DP it is a highly subjective matter. That's why you need to try out whatever you are considering for yourself. You need to draw your own conclusions about the action and sound. Nearly all DP sound inferior to a good software piano run through a computer.

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#1963947 - 09/24/12 09:40 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: galaxy4t]
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I finally got to try both tonight at Sam Ash- I think I see where Sam is coming from and agree:

They called and said they had only the 105, but the 150 must have arrived shortly after.

Upon looking at the design of the PX150 board, it seems one of the features I enjoyed- the brilliance setting is not there.

In terms of the overall feel of the keys, i would have to go back (350 when it arrives) but to me, although the texture was nice I cannot confirm that I enjoyed it more than the 130.-And note this is not a bad thing- in fact it is a testament to the manufacturers like Casio and Yamaha that a 2 or 3 year old keyboard holds it own against newer models.

In terms of the 5 piano sounds, and this could be the speaker, at times I found the sounds to bright on the 150.

Speakers were to me not an improvement of the 130's and possibly inferior.

I will defintely not be trading in my 130 for a 150, but would consider a 350 or potentially an 850.

Onto the Yamaha, the P105 was right above the P95 and here is my review in one sentence:

The P95 is no slouch compared to the 105.

Speakers are slightly to moderatley improved, potentially I felt as though I heard 2 layers- playing Elton's Funeral For a Friend.

I enjoyed playing it as much as the 95.

I did not leave the store thinking about how much I was going to get for my current keyboards on craigslist.

One of the P105 EP's had a better Rhodes sound then the P95, but not even as good as the PX130. I thought the PX135 Rhodes was similar to the PX130 but I am convinced these speakers were mediocre at best. I will certainly go back and try the 350, but doubt I would get an 850

If I owned neither board as it was, I honestly might just go for the P105- this could have been the size of the room I was in but as much as I love Casio, i think the EQ of the speakers could have used some improvement.

In terms of spending $100 more (or perhaps $85 if you have a coupon) I would defintely pay the extra for the 105.

However, to me a PX130 with a price drop would be more tempting than the PX150 right now.

In conclusion: as I will be moving soon the P95 will likely be in my living room, and the PX130 will be in my bedroom or den on the xstand near the Juno Gi.
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#1963950 - 09/24/12 09:46 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: Possum SP280Krome]
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Originally Posted By: Possum P95

Upon looking at the design of the PX150 board, it seems one of the features I enjoyed- the brilliance setting is not there.


Still there, although not labeled.
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#1963955 - 09/24/12 10:01 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: Mike_Martin]
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Ok- thanks I'll go back and look at it- really looking forward to the 350- I wasn't trying to be critical though by any means-
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#1964003 - 09/25/12 12:23 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: Possum SP280Krome]
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Originally Posted By: Possum P95
In terms of the 5 piano sounds, and this could be the speaker, at times I found the sounds to bright on the 150.




Possum, perhaps Casio has brightened up the sample to compete more directly with the brighter Yahama piano tone. I think you will need to listen to each piano with headphones to really get a sense of which you like better. On board speakers on slab pianos are at a big disadvantage due to size/space. It would be interesting to compare the sound say on the PX-850 which has a better and more powerful amp/speaker combination.

Mike,
Is the piano sample still 4 layers on the new privia?


Edited by galaxy4t (09/25/12 12:24 AM)

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#1964082 - 09/25/12 05:44 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
Well, when it comes to the sound and touch of any DP it is a highly subjective matter. That's why you need to try out whatever you are considering for yourself. You need to draw your own conclusions about the action and sound. Nearly all DP sound inferior to a good software piano run through a computer.


thanks for the reply! But it will be almost impossible to try both (px150 and p105) before I buy frown I'll buy according to the reviews expressed in the forum...


Edited by Carlos Almeida (09/25/12 06:17 AM)
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#1964138 - 09/25/12 09:38 AM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: galaxy4t]
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Originally Posted By: galaxy4t

Possum, perhaps Casio has brightened up the sample to compete more directly with the brighter Yahama piano tone. I think you will need to listen to each piano with headphones to really get a sense of which you like better. On board speakers on slab pianos are at a big disadvantage due to size/space. It would be interesting to compare the sound say on the PX-850 which has a better and more powerful amp/speaker combination.

Mike,
Is the piano sample still 4 layers on the new privia?


I couldn't agree more about the headphone comment. The level of ambient noise in music stores doesn't make for an ideal listening environment.

Yes 4 layers on the new models. I wouldn't characterize the new pianos as brighter, but more accurate. In the PX-350 YouTube video that I posted (same piano as PX-150), I think you'll hear that overall it is more musical and has a wider range of expression.

The speaker system on the new PX-150 and PX-350 is different than previous models and the mid to high range of these speakers is definitely more detailed.


Edited by Mike_Martin (09/25/12 09:38 AM)
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#1964248 - 09/25/12 01:10 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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P-95, P-105 and P-155 Comparison By Yamaha
http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musi...p-155/318/7263/

Yamaha P105 has 3 dynamic levels. P95 has only 1.
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#1964259 - 09/25/12 01:24 PM Re: New Arrivals: Casio PX-150 & Yamaha P105 [Re: Carlos Almeida]
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Originally Posted By: Carlos Almeida
P-95, P-105 and P-155 Comparison By Yamaha
http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musi...p-155/318/7263/

Yamaha P105 has 3 dynamic levels. P95 has only 1.

Wow, it's a red letter day! Specs are falling from the sky!

That's one of the most informative single pages of info I've ever seen from Yamaha.

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