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#1967109 - 09/30/12 10:34 PM Where to find Roland hp505 online?
osbornsm Offline
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Registered: 09/28/12
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Hello all... I'm looking for the Roland hp505 piano to purchase online... Are there any online distributors in the USA? I've found Sweetwater and Jr.Com.... Any others out there?

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#1967115 - 09/30/12 10:58 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
Kawai James Online   content
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osbornsm, the 'HP' range of Roland digital pianos are not available for purchase online in the US. You will need to visit a Roland dealer in order to purchase such an instrument.

Kind regards,
James
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#1967129 - 09/30/12 11:20 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
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True of all console-style models from the big manufacturers, unfortunately.

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#1967136 - 09/30/12 11:44 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
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Not necessarily all.

Most manufacturers also produce models intended for larger retail outlets, such as the Yamaha YDP, Roland RP, and Kawai KDP/KCP and CE.

Cheers,
James
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#1994602 - 12/04/12 11:37 AM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: Kawai James]
osbornsm Offline
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Hello again all... i wanted to see if there was any way to get a better price than what the local shop was giving me.

Roland HP-505 = $3,099

Can anyone help me out there?

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#1994610 - 12/04/12 11:59 AM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
MacMacMac Offline
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Registered: 09/24/09
Posts: 3835
Loc: North Carolina
Two questions:
Where are you located?
Have you made a lower-priced offer to the dealer?

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#1994640 - 12/04/12 01:12 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: MacMacMac]
ando Offline
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Registered: 11/23/10
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: MacMacMac

Have you made a lower-priced offer to the dealer?


This. Please do this!

If you tried out the HP505 in a store, you owe it to them to talk about what their best offer is. It's only fair considering you have used their shop to help you decide. They have to survive too. If it wasn't for them, we'd never be able to try anything again before buying. I'm sure they will get very close to any online price you can find, plus if there are any problems or you need help, you'll have a local face to talk to.

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#1994656 - 12/04/12 01:31 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
MacMacMac Offline
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Ando, that depends on location, and that's why I posed the question to the OP.

Why? Because in North America, the premium pianos are only sold at piano stores. That means no online sales and no pricing available over the phone.

The HP505 probably falls into this category. It's likely NOT available online. That's part of the dealer's agreement with the manufacturer. So there is no means for trying the piano in the store and then buying (cheaper) online.

So rather than ask the dealer for his offer, it's incumbent on the buyer to make his own offer.

(Elsewhere in the world the rules are different. In Europe, for example, many of the premium pianos seem to be available from online vendors.)

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#1994762 - 12/04/12 08:52 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
SkierDude Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 22
I'm in Western MA. Today I called two stores about the 505. One, the one I've been visiting lately hasn't called back yet. The other, one hr away (West of Hartford CT) quoted me $3350 incl tax and delivery (which he said he'd not charge me for). I should have asked if he'd haul off my old piece of junk too.

I didn't counter offer, I didn't know I could. He told me list is $3999 but that's not what he sells it for. I asked what the price was and he said $3350. This is for rosewood finish, apparently it makes a difference.

Seeing your $3100 makes me feel I was given a fair price. With tax being 6.35% or so, mine would be $3150 or so.

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#1994763 - 12/04/12 08:54 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
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I should have asked: what finish?

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#1994767 - 12/04/12 09:08 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
MacMacMac Offline
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I don't allow myself to be "given" a price because that will never ever be the best price.

If the list price is really $4000, you might offer $2700 (that's 33% off of list) plus tax. (Delivery might add $100 or more.)

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#1994771 - 12/04/12 09:22 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
SkierDude Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
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Really? 33% lower?

Too bad I expressed excitement over the price. I guess I can call him and say I did more research and I'll give him $3000 out the door and delivered.

This makes me wonder how much lower the CLP440 with the sign saying $3050 could really be...

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#1994773 - 12/04/12 09:26 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
SkierDude Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 22
It also confirms the HP307 on eBay for 3400 incl shipping is overpriced (but is selling... They have 1 left. Glad I found you).

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#1994774 - 12/04/12 09:38 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: MacMacMac]
PianoWorksATL Offline
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Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2726
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
If the list price is really $4000, you might offer $2700 (that's 33% off of list) plus tax. (Delivery might add $100 or more.)
FWIW, list prices are calculated in a variety of ways even within the same brand. osbornsm's price is $200 below MAP. SkierDude's quote is actually below the MAP price for that DP when you consider tax, assembly & delivery. Finish does matter as the Polish finish has a list price of $1000 more.

Whether you agree with it or not, manufacturers tend to want their premium products sold differently. If you want to pay less, you may have to look at something like Roland's DP-90 (available online) which specs similarly, but with slimline cabinet and smaller speakers, or ask your dealer about a floor model discount if there are any.
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#1994780 - 12/04/12 09:59 PM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: SkierDude]
PianoWorksATL Offline
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Originally Posted By: SkierDude
It also confirms the HP307 on eBay for 3400 incl shipping is overpriced (but is selling... They have 1 left. Glad I found you).
Mac's suggested discount is arbitrary and probably reflects his experience. It's not truly tied to any cost/profit/discount formula that is standard or necessarily common.

Since shipping charges for a large console DP can vary significantly even within the US (I shipped a similar-sized console from Atlanta to Montana and the shipping & insurance charge was $419, UPS & FedEx were over $550), the ebay price (including ebay fees) is MAP + a fee to subsidize the shipping. Items like that are often classified as LTL Freight, sent by the big trucks, i.e. expensive. After credit card fees, my profit on that particular deal was seriously like $40.

My example definitely reflects the higher end of shipping as others will be less that $200, but the ebay seller is taking a gamble that it isn't going somewhere too remote.
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#1994897 - 12/05/12 06:05 AM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
SkierDude Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
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So, is $3000 incl tax/delivery unrealistic for the HP505.
If delivery is free, it's about 2800 for the piano.

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#1994900 - 12/05/12 06:29 AM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
SkierDude Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
Posts: 22
I just saw on the "Prices Paid" post (part way down page 22) someone who recently bought a 505 in Spain for 2060 Euro; equal to $2700 USD. It was back in July.

I'm wondering: doesn't Europe have a lot of extra fees/taxes/import duties? If that person paid equal to $2700, can we offer less in the US? Or am I trying too hard to save a few bucks?

I recognize the dealer has to make a living. Or, is this like car sales in that even if you pay "invoice" or less, the dealer is still making money?

How do you find out what the invoice cost is for a piano? I saw a link or article somewhere in this forum, but it didn't work.

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#1994910 - 12/05/12 07:24 AM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: SkierDude]
Marco M Offline
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Registered: 08/28/12
Posts: 452
Loc: Europe
Price for the HP-505 here in Europe is at the moment around 2300 EUR. If you would find it here for less, you would be very lucky, while finding it for this price should be quite possible everywhere. Prices do not differ so much here, and it is not usual to negotiate here to the extend as others seem to do so in USA.
You here won´t get it for 2000 EUR anymore, after prices increased end of summer.
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#1994933 - 12/05/12 09:09 AM Re: Where to find Roland hp505 online? [Re: osbornsm]
SkierDude Offline
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Great. I'll ask about coming closer to $3000

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