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#1968896 - 10/04/12 10:39 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I've worked around the circle of fifths in the initial walking bass pattern. The given fingering works just more than half way around. For Db, Ab, Eb, Bb, and F, because of where the black keys lie, it feels more comfortable to change the fingering for IV. For all of those except F, it also feels more comfortable to change the fingering for the turnaround.

All the practicing I've been doing over the past year with major triads is paying off, because as I worked around the circle of fifths, my LH just seemed to know where the notes were.

Now to add my RH.
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#1968953 - 10/05/12 02:21 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Welcome Stephen300o!

Rocket, I agree with you- and fortunately my husband was really into blues well before I was and he's got a great collection. Recently we've been listeing to Memphis Slim, and his stuff really is fabulous!

Pianostudent88 ---- I am really enjoying all that you're writing - I've been super busy this week so haven't replied in any detail, but I have experienced many of the things you are talking about and it is very exciting to see you reporting on these new skills.

I truly felt that I started hearing music differently a couple of years ago when I started on piano - now I feel I've hit a new and different (and richer) level of listening skills.
Ah, the adventure continues!

Weiyan..... where are you? smile
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#1969650 - 10/07/12 12:57 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Rocket88, thank you for the recommendation. I like those old time blues too.

In recent days I practice Blueberry Hill again, focus on the rhythm part. The RH chord change is not easy. Accent 2nd and 4th beat, keep the bass line running.

Here is the sound file:
http://www.hypedsound.com/music/songs.php?action=listen&id=26271
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#1969691 - 10/07/12 06:34 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Well done Weiyan, that's nice and steady with good stress patterns.

Did you feel relaxed playing it?
I find I still get a bit tense tying to keep the focus. I wonder how many months it will take for this sort of thing to feel more comfortable for me?
We shall see!
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#1970482 - 10/08/12 08:16 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I have been intrigued by this book and this thread. So I just placed my order for it online. Hopefully it will be here soon! I'm guessing ~2 weeks. Sounds like fun so I'm really eager to get it!
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#1970514 - 10/08/12 09:23 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: Weiyan]
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Originally Posted By: Weiyan
Rocket88, thank you for the recommendation. I like those old time blues too.

In recent days I practice Blueberry Hill again, focus on the rhythm part. The RH chord change is not easy. Accent 2nd and 4th beat, keep the bass line running.

Here is the sound file:
http://www.hypedsound.com/music/songs.php?action=listen&id=26271


Accomplishing smooth chord changes is always a significant challenge. If they are not easy, practice them until they are easy.

Suggestions:

1. Go Slower. As slow as necessary so you can make the changes 100% smoothly.

2. Practice playing the chords in groups of two, in the sequence in which they occur. Here, play one of the first chord, (The "one") then one of the second, (The "four") then back to one of the first. Cycle that back and forth. That is the most common change sequence in the song, so do it slowly over and over to get your hand very comfortable.

3. Then Practice the "one" chord followed by the "five" chord, which is another chord sequence. Then do the "five" followed by the "four".

4. Go slower. laugh The #1 mistake people make is to go too fast. You are learning (practicing) it. Playing it at performance tempo is done after it is learned. I know, slow is hard to do, but do it anyways.

Slow and precise...its like the turtle and the rabbit...slow wins.
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#1970615 - 10/09/12 01:30 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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rocket88, thank you for this advice. I found it very helpful tonight and I already feel a difference in my playing. I may be going to be a tortoise, but I am going to be a tortoise with the best darn walking bass and off-on RH possible, in all keys.

I'll report in in three months when I start to learn my next tortoise skill smile .

It feels really good to slow down and focus on building my skills step by step.
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#1970628 - 10/09/12 02:17 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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It is interesting that sooner or later we all come to acknowledge the need to go slower.
I think what is ironic is that we build up some skills - which means we can go faster with the things we know...... then we start on new material (and in this case a whole new style) and we think we should be able to have a decent level of speed. But no. It is not so.

Nice to have you around as our coach Rocket88!
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#1970633 - 10/09/12 02:32 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I forget the important of slow playing. Newbie like me always playing faster to show off.

Use Rocket88's method to practice again.

I think Tim Richard not suppose a newbie to play the rhythm part.

Casinitaly: Relax is not easy. When the my ipod recorder is on, I am stressed. Members here called ti RED LIGHT SYNDROME. So I keep on posting here to try to overcome it.
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#1972165 - 10/12/12 02:29 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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In recent days slow playing, I get something fast playing can't have. I can better control the 2nd / 4th beats accent. The chord change is smoother.
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#1972764 - 10/13/12 01:19 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I thought it would take longer, but four days of slow careful practice on just walking bass and on-off in just C, and I've got it solid. Then three days more and now I've got the rest of the white keys. They came really fast after the foundation in C. Now I've started the black keys, continuing clockwise around the circle of fifths, so my first black key is Db. Back to slow careful practice because the fingering is different, but after just one session of that, Db is feeling pretty good.

Today I discovered that I can now keep the beat going when I screw up. Screw up the RH, and LH just keeps walking up and down. Screw up the LH notes, and I can keep pounding out some kind of LH notes on the beat until I can find my way back to the correct notes. I couldn't do this when I started.

Had to do some adjustments: my LH finger 2 was getting strained from reaching from IV back to I, so I'm retraining myself to keep my LH hand shape closed instead of extended as I make those moves. OK to reach between thumb and 2, not so OK to reach more than small distances between any of 2-5.

Getting strain in my right side of my back; not sure where that's coming from. Experimenting with wiggling around in the bench as I play, to try to find where I'm holding tension. I've never experienced this before, so I believe it's something linked to the repetitive chords in the RH, which I'm not used to.

I have very much enjoyed playing just rhythm, but I'm starting to hear how it would sound even better with a melody, so once I've finished the circle of fifths with the black keys, I'll be eager for the next couple of pages of the book.

I'm a real believer in the value of lessons, but one thing that's nice about doing this on my own is that I can go entirely at my own pace. No feeling of self-imposed pressure to make a certain amount of progress in preparation for my next lesson. It's really nice to have the book as the teacher though, because this is not the sort of thing I personally would be able to pick up from listening. Maybe once I've learned the book, I'll have the experience to start to be able to pick up new ideas by ear, but that's just not a strong suit of mine now, and especially not for being able to pick up enough to put a whole piece together.
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#1972767 - 10/13/12 01:32 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Clarifying tiny technical point: F# is a black key, but I'm playing it with the same fingering as the white keys, so I'm counting it as a white key above: C G D A E B F#.

But that reminds me, I need to practice it thinking of it as Gb, too. Maybe eventually I'll just think of all the keys as just patterns of black and white notes, but for me, the names of the notes are fused with the keys (both physical keys, and what key I'm playing in). So for example when playing blues in F# major, IV is a C# triad (not Db) and its notes as I play them are C# E# G# (not C# F G#). Some of the note names are dropping away: for example I'm now automatically knowing that the triad based on the first of the set of three black keys is the three-black-key triad (instead of thinking,as I had to when I was learning it, "F# A# C#"). And I'm starting to feel the turnarounds as patterns of black and white keys, and distances, rather than specifically as the names of the notes in the key. So maybe I'm moving away from needing the note name as part of my linkage to what I'm playing, at least sometimes. This is interesting.
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#1972951 - 10/13/12 10:39 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Playing rhythm of Circle of Fifths is a good practicing strategy. May be I can use the BlueBurry Hill rhythm play on other keys.
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#1973484 - 10/15/12 08:08 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Nice work Pianostudent88 and Weiyan.
I think working round the circle of fifths is a great idea.

I'm a bit "behind" in progress here because
a) I started working more hours! (good!) and b) I'm still very much in the "get to know you stage" of working with my teacher. (also good) - I know I could be doing it on my own, but I'm also trying to get up to speed up on general scales and arpeggios (he has to see what I can do) and he really wants to focus on technique, so he has me working on some familiar pieces that I want to improve. (I've seen some great progress in giving nuance of sound to a few pieces and it is very rewarding.)

I have not given up on the blues, ....I'm just delaying it for a bit.

I will probably wait a few more weeks before getting back into it. In the meantime I'm going to follow your posts and see what you're up to!

Cheers!
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#1977830 - 10/24/12 02:32 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Blueburry Hill RH melody with LH base.

I had recorded this song song some months ago. Today I take a second record. This time focus on improving rhythm.

http://www.hypedsound.com/music/songs.php?action=listen&id=26577
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#1977832 - 10/24/12 02:39 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Hi Weiyan, I remember listening to your earlier version.
I can see - or rather hear! - the work you've been putting into this one. I think it is as challening to play this kind of bass with a melody as it is to play things from the classics that have the Albertini bass under a melody - it takes great focus, not to mention the coordination!

Good for you!
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#1977904 - 10/24/12 08:39 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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After a delay, I'm now 3/4 of the way around the circle of fifths. Eb, Bb, and F remaining.

Then to start on the next exercise, which I believe is a combination of playing the RH in both root position and first inversion, and playing a melody and then improvising with the RH.

We shall see how solid my LH is once I start adding things besides the root position off-on RH to it!
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#1978243 - 10/24/12 09:56 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Hi Weiyan, I remember listening to your earlier version.
I can see - or rather hear! - the work you've been putting into this one. I think it is as challening to play this kind of bass with a melody as it is to play things from the classics that have the Albertini bass under a melody - it takes great focus, not to mention the coordination!

Good for you!


The LH rhythm is not easy. The second beat rest at first 2/3 time, then play a staccato and go to 3rd beat.
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#1978246 - 10/24/12 09:57 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
After a delay, I'm now 3/4 of the way around the circle of fifths. Eb, Bb, and F remaining.

Then to start on the next exercise, which I believe is a combination of playing the RH in both root position and first inversion, and playing a melody and then improvising with the RH.

We shall see how solid my LH is once I start adding things besides the root position off-on RH to it!


Which chord are you using? Do you use major chord only for the circle?
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#1978665 - 10/25/12 09:36 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I can't wait to join in on the fun. I ordered the book about 2 weeks ago. It may arrive tomorrow.

Weiyan I can't listen to your pieces on my phone. I will try later from my regular computer.
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#1978697 - 10/25/12 11:06 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: ZoeCalgary]
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Originally Posted By: ZoeCalgary
I can't wait to join in on the fun. I ordered the book about 2 weeks ago. It may arrive tomorrow.

Weiyan I can't listen to your pieces on my phone. I will try later from my regular computer.


Congratulation! Waiting for you submission.

The website require flash. Next time post to another cloud.
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#1978739 - 10/26/12 01:33 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: Weiyan]
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Originally Posted By: Weiyan
Which chord are you using? Do you use major chord only for the circle?


I'm practicing the major key walking bass blues pattern, with turnaround, which is the first thing taught in chapter 1:
I I I I
IV IV I I
V V I I

and each LH chord is played as 1 3 5 3.

I'm practicing this in each major key.
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#1978777 - 10/26/12 04:41 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Originally Posted By: Weiyan
Which chord are you using? Do you use major chord only for the circle?


I'm practicing the major key walking bass blues pattern, with turnaround, which is the first thing taught in chapter 1:
I I I I
IV IV I I
V V I I

and each LH chord is played as 1 3 5 3.

I'm practicing this in each major key.

I missed this section. Thank you for reminding me.


Edited by Weiyan (10/26/12 04:41 AM)
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#1979632 - 10/28/12 11:28 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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Hi everybody! I got the book on Friday. It looks really good and well thought out. I just fiddled around with the first few pages and was having great fun. I will try to post more when I have had a bit more time with the book. This is going to be fun to work through.
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#1979658 - 10/28/12 12:46 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I've finished working around the circle of fifths with the basic pattern. That's the first three pages. Now for the next four pages. These introduce, for the RH, first and second inversion chords, playing a melody, and improvising a melody. For the LH, three new patterns.

That's seven new skills, and I want to work around the circle of fifths for each one. If I take one day per skill per key, that's 7 x 12 = 84 days = 12 weeks. Ok, see y'all in 3 months smile .

I'm not sure if I'm nuts for wanting to take this so slowly and methodically. If I didn't work around the circle of fifths, it would take less time of course. But I don't want to get locked into only being able to play in a few keys. Plus the circle of fifths practice gives me lots and lots of practice at the skills, so they get really solid.
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#1979806 - 10/28/12 07:28 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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PS88 - you are being very methodical and I'm quite sure your skills are increasing dramatically as a result! I wonder if I should do something similar. But the book looks so interesting I'm very tempted to skips parts. I will have to hold back and make sure I really understand each skill and concept.
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#1984351 - 11/08/12 08:35 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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ZoeCalgary: Cogratulation. You have a good start. Hope you enjoy your music journey.

PS88: You seems like hard working at first then enjoy the fruit later.

This is my newly played Blueberry Blues. Its on the page 186.
https://www.box.com/files/0/f/0/1/f_3903091124
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#1984573 - 11/09/12 10:05 AM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I think this book is going to be a lot of fun! I am planning on recording the first few pieces this weekend. My favorite so far is Blues Thirds or Thirds Blues ((can't remember the exact name!). I can't play the triplets with the cool LH part yet but I can play the rest of it. It's very fun. Stay tuned and I'll post in the next day or so.

Weiyan I couldn't find your Blueberry Hill in the link you provided. Can you double check it? Thanks.
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#1984646 - 11/09/12 01:08 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: casinitaly]
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I'm happy to see you folks moving along!
I've been busy getting to know my new teacher and working on some specific technical aspects of my playing - I do hope to plunge back into this book soon!!!

Weiyan I couldn't access your music either?
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#1984828 - 11/09/12 11:11 PM Re: TIM RICHARDS - Improvising Blues Piano Book 1 [Re: ZoeCalgary]
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I saw the book at the music store today and see you have mentioned it. I would like to hear how you are doing. I am a beginner so I thought even book one was a little steep for me.

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