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#1969719 - 10/07/12 08:38 AM Kawai CN 24 vs. Casio Privia PX 850 vs. Roland F 120
mrfancypants Offline
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Registered: 09/23/12
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I'm looking for a DP in the 1100€ price range and from what I read so far the DPs listed above would be good choices. Maybe some of you were able to get their hands on some of these and can give me a few hints?

I used to play piano 10 years ago and only a little, so when it comes to judging the feel and sound of a piano I wouldn't call myself an expert. I went to a few shops and tested various models (not the Kawai and Casio as they weren't available yet), but the differences within a price range seemed rather small to me. I also listened to sound samples I found on the internet, but this didn't really help as the samples are often rather different and relatively short.

Judging by the specifications the Casio seems to be the best choice. Roland and Kawai seem to have a better reputation. What do you think?

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#1969799 - 10/07/12 11:55 AM Re: Kawai CN 24 vs. Casio Privia PX 850 vs. Roland F 120 [Re: mrfancypants]
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Yamaha is conspicuously absent from your list. They are the largest manufacturer and offer a lot of pianos in that price range. Don't forget them.

You should specify more about what you are looking for in a piano. Slab-style pianos are cheaper than console models (i.e., you may pay a lot for the furniture look), for example, but often have poor or no speakers.

Regarding opinions about brands, Casio almost always offers a lot of specs for the money. Part of that is that they are trying hard to get a better foothold in the industry (they don't have the reputation in non-low-end instruments that Roland, Kawai, and Yamaha have).

I compare the situation to the digital camera (dSLR) situation. In digital cameras you have Nikon and Canon, which are super entrenched, and you have a bunch of manufacturers that sort of were good in the film days but have little market share now. Then Sony came along with lots of great innovative features and while they have a great reputation in other areas (including point-and-shoots) they had an uphill battle in dSLR's just because everyone has already chosen either team Canon or team Nikon. They make up for it with lots of great features and innovation, but it will be a while before they can develop the reputation and get as large a following as the entrenched guys.

Don't know if you follow cameras at all, but it seemed an apt analogy to me. Roland, Yamaha, and Kawai are big names with lots of reputation spilling over from their other instrument divisions and from the length of time they have spent making high-end digitals. Casio has a history of making the pianos you buy at Walmart and it isn't easy to change that reputation. They are trying, though.


Edited by gvfarns (10/07/12 12:03 PM)

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#1969900 - 10/07/12 03:46 PM Re: Kawai CN 24 vs. Casio Privia PX 850 vs. Roland F 120 [Re: mrfancypants]
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You don't want to get too hung up on specs. They have a place telling you what is on each model, but you have to decide for yourself what sounds and feels good. Regarding the new Casios, they have barely hit stores. GuitarCenter only has stock for on-line orders. Casio has traditionally built pianos for the home market. It is only over the last three years that they have begun to build pro level boards. To some, Casio is the company that sells toy keyboards. That is an image they are working hard to change. On the other hand, the latest crop of Privias will tell us a lot about where Casio is going. No doubt it is a good product, but it has some hurdles to clear before it will change everybody's mind. That said, the internet audio demos sound impressive. I've yet to play one in person.

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#1969930 - 10/07/12 05:06 PM Re: Kawai CN 24 vs. Casio Privia PX 850 vs. Roland F 120 [Re: gvfarns]
mrfancypants Offline
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Registered: 09/23/12
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Thanks for the replies!
Originally Posted By: gvfarns
Yamaha is conspicuously absent from your list. They are the largest manufacturer and offer a lot of pianos in that price range. Don't forget them.

You should specify more about what you are looking for in a piano. Slab-style pianos are cheaper than console models (i.e., you may pay a lot for the furniture look), for example, but often have poor or no speakers.

Regarding opinions about brands, Casio almost always offers a lot of specs for the money. Part of that is that they are trying hard to get a better foothold in the industry (they don't have the reputation in non-low-end instruments that Roland, Kawai, and Yamaha have).

I compare the situation to the digital camera (dSLR) situation. In digital cameras you have Nikon and Canon, which are super entrenched, and you have a bunch of manufacturers that sort of were good in the film days but have little market share now. Then Sony came along with lots of great innovative features and while they have a great reputation in other areas (including point-and-shoots) they had an uphill battle in dSLR's just because everyone has already chosen either team Canon or team Nikon. They make up for it with lots of great features and innovation, but it will be a while before they can develop the reputation and get as large a following as the entrenched guys.

Don't know if you follow cameras at all, but it seemed an apt analogy to me. Roland, Yamaha, and Kawai are big names with lots of reputation spilling over from their other instrument divisions and from the length of time they have spent making high-end digitals. Casio has a history of making the pianos you buy at Walmart and it isn't easy to change that reputation. They are trying, though.

I looked at Yamaha and tried some of their DPs. As posted above, I'm not very good at finding a significant difference there. Their specifications are either worse or the same compared to those other 3 pianos though, so I removed Yamaha from my selection for now.
I didn't include Casio into this selection until I read about the new line here yesterday and listened to the samples. When I started reading about DPs I quickly got the impression the Yamaha, Kawai and Roland are the good brands whereas you need to stay away from everything else. So I'm also curious about how well the new Casios will perform.

As for what I want - piano sound and a good action are the most important aspects for me, I don't need other features. I am unsure yet whether I want to spend extra money on a better looking console, but it seems like most companies offer two versions in this price range with identical boards but different quality cases, so that isn't really a problem.


Originally Posted By: galaxy4t
You don't want to get too hung up on specs. They have a place telling you what is on each model, but you have to decide for yourself what sounds and feels good.

I went to two stores, but am non the wiser so far. Maybe I'll go back once they have the new Casios and Kawais available.

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#1969948 - 10/07/12 05:53 PM Re: Kawai CN 24 vs. Casio Privia PX 850 vs. Roland F 120 [Re: mrfancypants]
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mrfancypants, please note that the Kawai CN24 is only available from indepedent Kawai piano dealers, not the large high street/online stores.

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James
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#1970022 - 10/07/12 08:38 PM Re: Kawai CN 24 vs. Casio Privia PX 850 vs. Roland F 120 [Re: mrfancypants]
galaxy4t Offline
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Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 866
Loc: Lakewood, CA
If you have played for 10 years, I think you will be able to make a judgement about the action. All digitals have limitations in sound even the expensive ones. This can be overcome by plugging into a computer and using a software piano which many do.

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