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Good morning everyone! I knew I needed to hear some good music before I leave for the office this morning, and I chose to use this time to listen to Recaredo's posts. I do make smart decisions sometimes.

Recaredo, I was absolutely mesmerized!! I can't thank you enough for introducing me to the works of Giuseppe Tartini. I can see why the violin concerto in D minor is a favorite. I absolutely loved it.

That's what I love about our thread, is the opportunity to hear of all kinds music we may not have been aware of. Outstanding Recaredo!

To show my appreciation, I leave you with something from this side of the Atlantic, Samuel Barber's "Summer Music for Wind Quintet." I believe you once expressed interest in Barber's music. Enjoy!

Good morning again everyone! I seem to be on the mend from this nasty bug. I truly appreciate everyone's concern for my recovery, and am taking your advice about being very careful not to overdo it. I'll just be going in for a few hours, and work a bit more from home today. It does seem to be working so far.

Aimee, I hope you are getting better. Your advice, and Rossy's really got me to pay attention. Thanks again.

I'll check in later.

Thanks for your kind words, Griffin. And thanks so much for that quintet by Barber. I didn’t know it and I’ve loved it. Sadly, over here Barber is basically known by his adagio for strings, when he wrote so many amazing works.

Great posts Griffin, again I knew nothing of Barber, I was living in blissfull ignorance, but feel btter now I have been enlightened..Thank you.

Polyphasicpianist, I know you wont answer this just yet, because my heart is telling me your post no.666 will only be done on halloween for maximum impact...but I do have a question..
First I will answer yours,
Yes , "accidental" is entirely as you summised, the waltz is in A minor with quite a few accidentals.

The "Boingy" sound you mention is "claves" that have had the wav file chopped and rearranged with added effects in an effort to reproduce a "clockwork" sound that is not entirely constant(except for its timing).This was layered with another sound called "wooden blocks" which was constructed with just a simple three beat over a one bar loop. ( claves was constructed over a three bar loop)

I didn't move into a major key per se, but did the middle section with G major,Cmajor,F major and E major chords introduced, so felt (in the 4.30m time given) that would suffice as a major "lift"

My question is what is a "12 tone modulation?" I am unfamiliar with this phrase and dont know what it means at all. But would certainly like to learn.

Dont go answering this just yet, we dont want you wasting your "special post" the answer can wait!!!

Later dudes and dudettes.

Dudes and dudettes, its magic how we inspire each other is todays thought, And i want to Thank eglantine for inspiring me.
Eglantine achieved that by accident, I was reading her excellently thought ou thread; "Moderately, I beg you"

If you havent read it yet, its where composers have annotated their scores in maybe an unusual or unorthodox manner, like they have written extra instructions of the odd kind.. Like the above "I beg you"

This inspired me to annotate the score for my waltz with the words "Allegro, to be played only when TJ has left the building"

Eglantine, you are a star.

Well dudes and dudettes, I hope you like this, it's from Pink floyds lovely Animals albumn.... and Pigs on the wing (prt 1 +2!)

Nice nightime sounds....

I blew it, I absolutely blew it! I accidentally wasted my 666th post by accidentally replying to a thread I never meant to reply to. THis is terrible! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT!!! Of all the stupid fu. . . I HATE COMPUTERS!!!! AUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGH!

I feel like this kid



There is only one cure for my intense RAGE/sadness/utter disappointment . . .



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Don't think you people will get off that easy, I may have cocked up my 666th post, but just you wait until Halloween, just you wait and see . . . . muwhahahahaaa

Oh dear oh deary me, oh no, great sorrow and grief, oh woh is PPP, no hair to pull out anymore.....

I just found this band and they are good!!!

The forty thieves orkestar , I hope to be introducing you to a lot more of their tracks...

PPP, you could answer my question now... its after your last post here!

Since I am no longer under contractual obligation by the Devil to wait until Halloween I will answer your question Rossy.

By "12 tone modulation" I am making explicit reference to the late serialism that Schoenberg created and advocated. If you are not familiar with it this video sums it up pretty good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5dOI2MtvbA

Anyway, when I say "12-tone modulation" I basically mean modulate to the use of the 12-tone method in the composition in the same manner you might modulate to some other key. The beauty here is that with Schoenberg's system this need not be a wholly atonal endeavour since you can pick any twelve notes you want, which means you could, if so inclined, create the tone-row in such a way as to build it around clusters of triadic chords. This will allow you to coherently inject some harmony into what is typically thought of as a wholly atonal system. And because the composer ultimately decides how many notes of the tone-row he uses at any given point, you could "inject the harmony" whenever you felt it was necessary to do so. If you ever get a chance to check out Glenn Gould's discussion with Humphrey Burton of the music of Arnold Schoenberg you will see Gould demonstrate the almost Wagnerian harmony inherent inside one of Schoenberg's later piece Op.41 Ode to Napoleon Buonaparte.

But who needs harmony anyway, if you gradually modulated (i.e. had more accidents ) to a twelve-tone row that contained no harmonic trappings, I'd wager you would create a very eerie sound indeed, especially if you maintained the waltz's rhythm and idiom. This is the main point I was trying to make when I said modulate to the 12-tone method.

Hmmmmm....
(I just read over this post and realised how unbelievably abstruse and anti-muiscal it must seem, sorry about that. I hope I haven't given the Schoenberg haters any ammunition, maybe this will help provide some vindication:

Polyphasicpianist, wow that was a lot to take in, but I think I have grasped the principle in a small way.. I seriously think this would be a very worthy thread in and of itself, I can see much debate over whether shoenenburg is valid/musical/mad mathetician/insane genius etc...!!! I see a small conection to the principle of constructing visual art using the FIBONACCI system? If that makes any sense..

I will not start the debate here, as like I said, the debate will have as many opinions as there are people, and my guess is there will be two main camps..and these camps will have very conflicting views...

I personally dont have enough knowledge just yet to be in any camp.!

Thanks for all the links and taking the time to bring this to my attention and explain it some..

I say, I have not got the academic knowledge, but my ears are telling me, that this man should have his Bechstein taken off him for the crime of "Piano abuse"

I was actually thinking of creating a thread about music and reason, not specifically about Schoenberg but I can't imagine his name will not pop up in the conversation. Maybe I will do that one the weekend when I have some time to think up an opening thread.

Anyway, this is all getting to serious for Rostoskys serious thread. Back to Halloween.

Hello, hope you all well

Rossy, that sort of reminds me of the LadyG - Badromance Intro (I could never figure it out, anyone know what's actually going on?)

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/user/theNapkinHolder#p/u/6/jLMA-qxpw54[/video]

Check out his channel, he's the guy that plays Rihanna's Umbrella, with an Umbrella, and LadyG Medly with a bag on his head!

PPP, that's just sillyness!

I don't know why the vid won't post like normal?????

Dont know why it didnt post Wayne...
Oh, meant to ask, do you have your videos on youtube for public or only those with the link?

Half and half Rossy, the vids I upload for learning purposes, (like the one's I post on here) are set to "link only"

Ah, thanks, made my chanel pretty yesterday, think i got the hang of it now...
Thing is i cannot figure out how to invite Griffin to be friend, it let me do your friend thing but wouldnt do anything for Griffin when i clicked the thing??
any Ideas?

If I was you Rossy, I would set your composition vid so people could leave comments, for feedback purposes, but that's your prerogative

Posted at the same time, maybe something to do with Griffin's privacy settings, I'm gonna go and check this out!

The "add friend" link is there when I look, click on his channel, scroll down a bit, where his Profile pic is on the left hand side (not that he has a profile pic lol) there should be a link that says "add friend"

Ok will try again, it didnt work at first..ta thnx.