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#1971161 - 10/10/12 04:23 AM Mental Practice - Learning/Memorizing Pieces
Bobpickle Offline

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It's most undoubtedly a result of lack of musical maturity (being able to auralize written music, notice less-obvious patterns, etc.), but I had previously only thought of approaching memorization, as well as [for the most part] learning a piece of music in general, physically at the piano... until just now blush



Glenn Gould was quoted as claiming to do more mental than actual physical practice. I think this was something pianopractice.org was trying to get across as well, albeit in a much more wordy and less clear manner.

I'd love to hear what you all think of this. Though I'm not familiar with the Austrian national anthem or the transcription that Paul Barton learned in his new video, I found his demonstration impressive. Is this something you yourselves regularly practice? If so, when and how in learning a piece?

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#1971169 - 10/10/12 05:01 AM Re: Mental Practice - Learning/Memorizing Pieces [Re: Bobpickle]
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Glenn Gould was quoted as claiming to do more mental than actual physical practice.

That's the smart way to do it.

If you look at music as a language, wouldn't it make more sense to learn what is being 'said' than to memorize it 'phonetically'?
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#1971330 - 10/10/12 01:40 PM Re: Mental Practice - Learning/Memorizing Pieces [Re: Bobpickle]
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After learning a piece and having memorized it, I often try to play it in my mind away from the piano without the score. Having thought a piece was memorized, because I can play it at the piano, It sometimes surprises me - although I'm becoming more and more accustomed to it - how many "micro-moments" in a piece are blank in my mind during this process : How does that passage start? what inversion of that chord do I play? etc.

These are obvious spots where I may initially have relied on "finger memory" rather than solid analyses, so this exercise helps me focus on those problem areas and learn them more thoroughly.

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#1971382 - 10/10/12 03:18 PM Re: Mental Practice - Learning/Memorizing Pieces [Re: Bobpickle]
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What applies or is most helpful for Gould is not necessarily the best for ordinary mortals. If you had Gould's technique wouldn't shorten your practice at the piano?


Edited by pianoloverus (10/10/12 03:19 PM)

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#1971388 - 10/10/12 03:35 PM Re: Mental Practice - Learning/Memorizing Pieces [Re: Bobpickle]
Vid Offline
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While none of us are Glenn Gould I don't think it hurts to put another method in our toolbox. There are a few approaches to memorizing music and often the least secure (and most often relied on) is muscle memory so I think this method could be of benefit.

What else would be best for ordinary mortals?
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#1971499 - 10/10/12 07:13 PM Re: Mental Practice - Learning/Memorizing Pieces [Re: Vid]
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Originally Posted By: Vid
While none of us are Glenn Gould I don't think it hurts to put another method in our toolbox. There are a few approaches to memorizing music and often the least secure (and most often relied on) is muscle memory so I think this method could be of benefit.

What else would be best for ordinary mortals?
I was talking about the "more mental than physical part" not being appropriate for most people I think. I didn't mean to imply that all practicing has to be done at the piano.

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