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#1971342 - 10/10/12 02:06 PM Best EP.
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Well, after much frustration with the Kronos, I sold it along with the V synth and Virus. I kept my Shigeru and Jupiter and went a little OCD buying guitar gear. In any case, a great EP is what I really want. The Kronos had it, but the rest of it was too much crap for me.

I am considering a SV1 73 just for the EPs, but I'm a bit reluctant to go down the Korg road again. Nords could be an option. I wish I never sold the CP1, but I'm not willing to plunk down another $4K just for its action and EPs.

Thoughts from EP guys out there? Thanks in advance. Also open to vintage gear.


And yes, after 30+ years of playing piano, I have taken up guitar and am really digging it. Yes, it is a bit frustrating not being able to articulate musical ideas into sounds, but that will come with time and practice.


Edited by Hideki Matsui (10/10/12 02:07 PM)
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#1971348 - 10/10/12 02:19 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Would the CP5 do enough for you, EP-wise?
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#1971357 - 10/10/12 02:31 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: EssBrace]
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Having spent some time with the CP5 after owning the CP1, I think I wouldn't be happy with the CP5. It's great and versatile, but it would always make me want my CP1.
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#1971359 - 10/10/12 02:39 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Try out the Nord Piano, or even the Nord Electro 4HP if you can do with 73 keys. They are a very different kind of instrument than the Yamaha CP1/CP5, but have rather nice (mono) EP sounds, and there is even some hope that Clavia will add further, more complex EP sounds down the road.

Nothing like a good vintage Rhodes with all its quirks, though.
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#1971360 - 10/10/12 02:39 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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In addition to the SV-1, you may want to consider the Krome. There's at least as much ROM dedicated to the EPs in the Krome as in the SV, and you get a Kronos-type AP as well. I think the Rhodes samples in the Krome are much more detailed than in the Nords.

I haven't had enough time to really explore the Krome yet, but I find the 73-note version has an action that works OK with EPs and has the advantage, by going down to C1, of giving a little more for the left hand to work with. The Rhodes patches sound pretty authentic to me, but I'm not over the moon about the Wurlis - need to spend some time tweaking those.

Downsides to the Krome are the typical workstation, menu-driven layout (although you can assign effects etc. to the controls), the fact that some damper pedals (notably Roland half-pedals) don't play nicely with it, and the somewhat abrupt note cut-off if you exceed the available polyphony (about 30 notes in reality).

Of my other boards, the Kawai MP6 has one really good Rhodes patch, as does the Numa Piano.

I am hoping that Nord will release updated and larger EP samples soon, so that the new Electro 4D can compete with the newer boards from other manufacturers.

Also, if you liked the CP1 but don't want to invest another 4k, what about the CP5 & 50? EDIT: sorry missed your later post where you dismissed the other CPs.


Edited by voxpops (10/10/12 02:42 PM)

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#1971364 - 10/10/12 02:40 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: maurus]
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Originally Posted By: maurus
Try out the Nord Piano, or even the Nord Electro 4HP if you can do with 73 keys. They are a very different kind of instrument than the Yamaha CP1/CP5, but have rather nice EP sounds, and there is even some hope that Clavia will add further, more complex EP sounds down the road.

Nothing like a good vintage Rhodes with all its quirks, though.


I actually prefer 73 keys. I've never been a Nord guy but I know they sound great on stage. I've seen and heard them many times. Just never really spent time with one outside of the store.
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#1971366 - 10/10/12 02:42 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
In addition to the SV-1, you may want to consider the Krome. There's at least as much ROM dedicated to the EPs in the Krome as in the SV, and you get a Kronos-type AP as well. I think the Rhodes samples in the Krome are much more detailed than in the Nords.

I haven't had enough time to really explore the Krome yet, but I find the 73-note version has an action that works OK with EPs and has the advantage, by going down to C1, of giving a little more for the left hand to work with. The Rhodes patches sound pretty authentic to me, but I'm not over the moon about the Wurlis - need to spend some time tweaking those.

Downsides to the Krome are the typical workstation, menu-driven layout (although you can assign effects etc. to the controls), the fact that some damper pedals (notably Roland half-pedals) don't play nicely with it, and the somewhat abrupt note cut-off if you exceed the available polyphony (about 30 notes in reality).

Of my other boards, the Kawai MP6 has one really good Rhodes patch, as does the Numa Piano.

I am hoping that Nord will release updated and larger EP samples soon, so that the new Electro 4D can compete with the newer boards from other manufacturers.

Also, if you liked the CP1 but don't want to invest another 4k, what about the CP5 & 50?



No offense, but after my Kronos debacle, I'm of the less is more mentality. I don't see myself getting another workstation anytime soon.
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#1971367 - 10/10/12 02:45 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I love my Electro 3HP for EPs. The keys are just about right for EP playing (for me), and the FX section works great.
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#1971371 - 10/10/12 02:47 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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The Nord Stage 2 is an incredible instrument. Definitely worth owning(at least once in your life)!

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#1971377 - 10/10/12 03:07 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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The only thing not mentioned yet that I think might deserve consideration would be the Kurzweil SP4 or SP5. I actually like the Kurz EPs better than Nord's.

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#1971385 - 10/10/12 03:32 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I agree with anotherscott if your looking for EP's especially spot on recreations of vintage ep sounds, that's where Kurzweil really shines.
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#1971389 - 10/10/12 03:38 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kbeaumont]
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Originally Posted By: Kbeaumont
I agree with anotherscott if your looking for EP's especially spot on recreations of vintage ep sounds, that's where Kurzweil really shines.


Interesting. Would never have considered, but I'll take a look.
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#1971416 - 10/10/12 04:32 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I agree and disagree. EP' s sound great on Kurzweil PC3's overall, but lacks the details in dynamics (velocity switches) , bit stretched over the keybed and short looped. In a band you don't hear such details very soon, but for yourself and in solo passages you can hear that the sample sets that form the base of the presets are quite old and cramped in too little memory space. The excellent effects section and programming make a lot good for these older key sets , but nevertheless. Of course you can try somewhere and hear for yourself. Use a PC3(K) with up to date firmware and presets, to get the best impression. By the way the keybed is mediocre Fatar TP40 on the 88 keys machines. But that's similar to what Nord is using, so...

73 version is TP8 , many don't like that, others don't complain. I would stay away from the Kurzweil light versions (PC3LE, SP series) , they offer simply less of everything the PC3 has to offer. Perhaps SP5-8 will be interesting, but that's not out yet...

From a previous long term Kurzweil user ;-)

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#1971455 - 10/10/12 05:34 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I agree with JFP. Kurzweil's EPs sound good but dig in and there's no resolution to them - somewhat one dimensional in my opinion.

The more recent Nord additions - Bright Tines and especially Sparkletop are much more detailed. I've yet to hear a Rhodes on a DP that is substantially better than the Sparkletop.
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#1971464 - 10/10/12 05:47 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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How about a software instrument like Neo-Soul keys?

Or go full circle and buy a Vintage Vibe?
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#1971475 - 10/10/12 05:55 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
I would stay away from the Kurzweil light versions (PC3LE, SP series) , they offer simply less of everything the PC3 has to offer.

There is no difference between the low end and high end Kurzweils in the sound of the EPs. However, the SP4 as shipped only includes a handful of them, and you do have to go through some extra effort to locate and load the other PC3 EP programs that they are also capable of using, if you prefer them.

The higher end Kurzweils do offer other actions, more polyphony, more physical controllers, more simultaneous fx, etc., but the EPs don't sound any better... and since the OP was overwhelmed by the workstation-ness of the Kronos, I think he would be even more put off by a PC3 series board.

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#1971477 - 10/10/12 05:59 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Or go full circle and buy a Vintage Vibe?

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+1001! Currently, the best there is, IMO.

I agree with those above who say that Kurzweil EPs sound good, but lack resolution/definition. Both Kurzweil and Nord are overdue for an EP update. Korg and Yamaha are definitely a notch better at the moment, I think.

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#1971480 - 10/10/12 06:09 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott

There is no difference between the low end and high end Kurzweils in the sound of the EPs.

For a short while I owned the PC3, followed by the SP4-7. Although the patches and (most of) the effects are the same, I felt - but couldn't prove - that the PC series had better processing (DA converters???) and sounded just a tad better than the SPs.

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since the OP was overwhelmed by the workstation-ness of the Kronos, I think he would be even more put off by a PC3 series board.

Yes, my shriveled brain couldn't - or didn't want to - cope with the intricacies of the PC3. I find the Krome hugely less off-putting in that respect, but for 95% of what I do, it'll be the Krome's APs and EPs (plus a smattering of organ and synth) that I use, and I'll just ignore its workstation features, which, fortunately, don't impose themselves unduly. That said, I think that VAST synthesis and KB3 organs kick the Krome's equivalent features into the dust. However, for APs and EPs I don't think I'd pick another of the current Kurzweil crop.

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#1971488 - 10/10/12 06:31 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops

Yes, my shriveled brain couldn't - or didn't want to - cope with the intricacies of the PC3. I find the Krome hugely less off-putting in that respect, but for 95% of what I do, it'll be the Krome's APs and EPs (plus a smattering of organ and synth) that I use, and I'll just ignore its workstation features, which, fortunately, don't impose themselves unduly.

Yes... the simpler design/appearance of the Krome would be less psychologically imposing than the higher end workstations with their myriad of front panel controls... and it really should be pretty easy to ignore its workstation underpinnings. When I used an M50 (which has many similarities with the Krome, though obviously, not its piano or EP sounds), I created a program screen with my favorite 16 sounds on it, and I *left* it on the patch selection screen. That is, I would select the sound I wanted (which would immediately assign the keyboard to that sound) but I did NOT hit the Okay button. That way I would just have a constant set of 16 one-click buttons to switch sounds (or I could page over for another 16 if that wasn't enough... I never needed more than 32). Then it really did feel like a simple preset-playback machine, and not a workstation, when operating it like that. No menu diving or any kind of complicated on screen maneuvers during performance.

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#1971516 - 10/10/12 07:48 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
How about a software instrument like Neo-Soul keys?

Or go full circle and buy a Vintage Vibe?
. I have plenty of software EPs. I want something for my living room... Vintage might be the way.
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#1971525 - 10/10/12 08:06 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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One of my colleagues received one as a birthday gift from his wife.
Suffice it to say we're all very jealous of him - both for owning a Vintage Vibe and for marrying such a cool woman. wink
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#1971526 - 10/10/12 08:06 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
How about a software instrument like Neo-Soul keys?

Or go full circle and buy a Vintage Vibe?
. I have plenty of software EPs. I want something for my living room... Vintage might be the way.

Can I come round and play it? wink

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#1971538 - 10/10/12 08:38 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Hey, get in line VP!
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#1971569 - 10/10/12 09:56 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
I wish I never sold the CP1,


Hate to say it Bruce but ..... told ya !

There is a heavily toured one for sale in Echo Park I know of wink
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#1971597 - 10/10/12 11:17 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
I wish I never sold the CP1,


Hate to say it Bruce but ..... told ya !

There is a heavily toured one for sale in Echo Park I know of wink



Yes... I nominate myself for pianoworld's village idiot for that one. Definitely my greatest keyboard regret.
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#1971675 - 10/11/12 05:02 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
One of my colleagues received one as a birthday gift from his wife.
Suffice it to say we're all very jealous of him - both for owning a Vintage Vibe and for marrying such a cool woman. wink


Having spent the day doing some research, I think the Vintage Vibe is just what I'm looking for. Thanks for the suggestion!


Edited by Hideki Matsui (10/11/12 05:02 AM)
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#1971682 - 10/11/12 05:42 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Nice one - looking forward to seeing the pics! wink

Cheers,
James
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#1971694 - 10/11/12 07:12 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Has anyone around here tried the Waldorf Zarenbourg thing? That would look pretty cool in the right room. But is it any good? The one video demo I've seen seemed pretty good to me.
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#1971759 - 10/11/12 10:36 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
One of my colleagues received one as a birthday gift from his wife.
Suffice it to say we're all very jealous of him - both for owning a Vintage Vibe and for marrying such a cool woman. wink


Having spent the day doing some research, I think the Vintage Vibe is just what I'm looking for. Thanks for the suggestion!

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#1971891 - 10/11/12 03:30 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Color suggestions. I'm going with a sparkle top because it hide scratches and swirls the best.

Also 64 or 73? 64 goes A to C like a wurly. I'm thinking 64 would be good for EP and they indicated that the pickup arrangement seems to produce the best tone on the 64.

http://vintagevibepiano.com/color-options/



Edited by Hideki Matsui (10/11/12 03:50 PM)
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#1971977 - 10/11/12 06:24 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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So, for a completely ignorant folk like me, do these EPs even have any audio output? You need to mic them to amplify them? Where are the speakers? smile Vintage indeed smile

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#1971989 - 10/11/12 06:49 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Line outs. I'm going to order mine witht he stereo tremolo option but one thing I really like is that it has an effects loop for pedals. Coincidentally, I've been amassing some of the coolest pedals by Effectrode and Toneczar so it will be blast sticking them in the loop.

Approximately 3 month wait, but plan on finalizing an order tomorrow. Probably going with a 64 but unsure of color yet.


Edited by Hideki Matsui (10/11/12 06:53 PM)
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#1971995 - 10/11/12 06:56 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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LOL! Yeah, I assume color is certainly hard to pick... do you have a picture of where you would usually keep it? That may prove an invaluable hint smile
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#1971999 - 10/11/12 07:03 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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#1972001 - 10/11/12 07:06 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Green or red sparkle tops look the best to me. Green's a little more unique. Red has a richness and warmth.

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#1972002 - 10/11/12 07:06 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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By the way... Curse the few of you who told me about Vintage Vibe. It is way more than I wanted to spend, but I knew I had to have one as soon as I got to the web page. Plus I grew up in NJ, so how could I not support some jersey boys.
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#1972003 - 10/11/12 07:06 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Oh, having just seen your room - definitely the red!

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#1972005 - 10/11/12 07:09 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
By the way... Curse the few of you who told me about Vintage Vibe. It is way more than I wanted to spend, but I knew I had to have one as soon as I got to the web page.

The rest of us can enjoy it vicariously. Please post some recordings when you have it!

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#1972006 - 10/11/12 07:10 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
By the way... Curse the few of you who told me about Vintage Vibe. It is way more than I wanted to spend, but I knew I had to have one as soon as I got to the web page.

The rest of us can enjoy it vicariously. Please post some recordings when you have it!


I will. I hate recording digital pianos, but this will be a treat.


Edited by Hideki Matsui (10/11/12 07:11 PM)
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#1972007 - 10/11/12 07:11 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: voxpops]
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Oh, having just seen your room - definitely the red!


That's what I as thinking. I was thinking sparkle charcoal or silver, but that may end up looking too Liberace.
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#1972008 - 10/11/12 07:12 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I would have picked the Burgundi myself... its a bit less 'on your face' while in the same pallet that voxpops suggests, which is the one I agree fits the room and your only colored-item which is your guitar.

That said, you certainly seem to like a very 'sober' and minimalistic look, so maybe also the blacks and whites could be more 'apple look' approach smile

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#1972022 - 10/11/12 07:46 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: RafaPolit]
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I would have picked the Burgundi myself... its a bit less 'on your face' while in the same pallet that voxpops suggests, which is the one I agree fits the room and your only colored-item which is your guitar.

That said, you certainly seem to like a very 'sober' and minimalistic look, so maybe also the blacks and whites could be more 'apple look' approach smile

Rafa.


The room is a little different now, but generally the same. The guitar was given away but there are now 3 in there. The only colored one is a sunburst Strat.

Burgundy or root beer sparkle might be better for me in the long run. I'm not used to colors like red sparkle and it might wear on me in the long run.
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#1972116 - 10/12/12 12:15 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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...Burgundy or root beer sparkle might be better for me in the long run. I'm not used to colors like red sparkle and it might wear on me in the long run...

Yes, I agree... for me, the simpler / stylish the better.

Which of the options are you buying, the 73, the 64 or the 44? I have played on 66 keyboards and they are nice!... not sure if 44 would be wide enough, but I'm more a classical pianist and ballads, so no idea if 44 is enough.

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#1972129 - 10/12/12 12:34 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: RafaPolit]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
...Burgundy or root beer sparkle might be better for me in the long run. I'm not used to colors like red sparkle and it might wear on me in the long run...

Yes, I agree... for me, the simpler / stylish the better.

Which of the options are you buying, the 73, the 64 or the 44? I have played on 66 keyboards and they are nice!... not sure if 44 would be wide enough, but I'm more a classical pianist and ballads, so no idea if 44 is enough.

Rafa.


64. They told me its their best sounding unit. Just something to do with the pickup setup. 44 would be too small for me but 64 pretty much covers the bases.
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#1972209 - 10/12/12 07:43 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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So the best EP is a EP ...no surprises.
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#1972788 - 10/13/12 02:28 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Dr Popper]
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So the best EP is a EP ...no surprises.



I don't know why I overlook the obvious sometimes. With piano, it's a no brainer for me to own an acoustic. Nothing compares. Even with guitars, I gave up trying to emulate them and took up the instrument. My experience with vintage EPs is more limited, but the Vintage Vibe is a exactly what I'm looking for.
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#1972840 - 10/13/12 04:43 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I guess it comes down to two things: budget and versatility. Of course, having a Steinway D in the house is better than purchasing a sampled instrument, but one will offset you $200, the other $120.000 smile . Versatility is another thing... if you can afford a $3000 one-trick-horse, it would be the best horse for that trick, no doubt about it, but to be able to have an EP, plus a Tone Wheel Organ, plus a Pipe Organ, plus other things widens your options (for me, that is), so its hard to justify (specially as a hobbyist) the more 'specialized' equipment.

So, did you decide on a color?

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#1972846 - 10/13/12 05:09 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: RafaPolit]
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#1972851 - 10/13/12 05:19 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Thanks Dave. I did notice on Youtube videos it didn't seem to have a pure Rhodes sound and it did sound a bit thin on a few of the solos I heard. Although they did mention to me that voicing could be drastically adjusted with a little work by the user.

My other option is to go with one of their rebuilt vintage. They have a vintage 71 that looks pretty sweet.

I do know that I want something for the house without practicality in mind. Something that just sounds and plays great.

Your experienced advise is always appreciated!


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#1972874 - 10/13/12 06:25 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Are the Vintage Vibe instruments more reliable (in terms of sticking tines/keys) than an original Rhodes?

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#1973147 - 10/14/12 12:05 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Hi, although VV defenitely seems the way to go (what a nice instrument !!), I somehow noticed that the Kawai Mp10 was never mentioned in the discussion. Since Nord, Mp6, Kurzweil and Korg got some attention, I though it would be strange the leave out the MP10 which has some very nice EP sets, nice controls, cabinet and effects and wooden keys.

Just to make the list complete - it's a digital, so could be an advantage over an acoustic design that needs more care and adjustments over its life span....

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#1973151 - 10/14/12 12:16 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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James will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the MP6 and MP10 share the same (newer) Rhodes and Wurli samples.

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#1973212 - 10/14/12 03:03 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Do check out the Waldorf Zarenbourg (if you can find one), as EssBrace suggested. Here's a pretty favourable review:

http://greatsynthesizers.com/en/test/waldorf-zarenbourg-the-allure-of-simplicity/

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#1973244 - 10/14/12 05:38 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: voxpops]
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James will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the MP6 and MP10 share the same (newer) Rhodes and Wurli samples.


I believe the MP6's EPs are based on the MP10 samples, although they're not the same.

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#1973489 - 10/15/12 08:22 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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MP10: Tine EP 1, Tine EP2, Tine EP3, Reed EP 1, Reed EP 2, Reed EP 3, Modern EP, Clavi 1, Clavi 2

"The MP10 also feature a selection of brand new electric pianos. Classic tines, reeds, and clavs - each one lovingly sampled from original vintage instruments to ensure their distinctive characteristics (and occasional imperfections) are richly preserved. The MP10 offers an AMP simulator with a selection of six different amp types ranging from the crispclean Tweed Deluxe and tender Jazz Combo, to the crunchier growl of a British Blues or UK Class A with direct access to the drive, level and EQ of that amp. Simply select your favourite EP sound, crank up the amp drive, and dig-into vintage keyboard playing heaven. "

MP6: In my perception it only has the Tine EP piano sample (?) and a bunch of less interesting Modern EP sounds (DX- piano, SA-Roland Piano etc),

So the MP10 has a lot more to offer in that respect, also with the extra Amp simulations that add a lot of character to the sound. Pitty I never played one with sound - only a dry keybed test in a shop where the Mp10 was standing unplugged . Should have had more time to check it at that moment.

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#1973493 - 10/15/12 08:32 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Quote:
"The MP10 also feature a selection of brand new electric pianos. Classic tines, reeds, and clavs - each one lovingly sampled from original vintage instruments to ensure their distinctive characteristics (and occasional imperfections) are richly preserved. The MP10 offers an AMP simulator with a selection of six different amp types ranging from the crispclean Tweed Deluxe and tender Jazz Combo, to the crunchier growl of a British Blues or UK Class A with direct access to the drive, level and EQ of that amp. Simply select your favourite EP sound, crank up the amp drive, and dig-into vintage keyboard playing heaven."


Couldn't have said it better myself! wink
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#1973540 - 10/15/12 11:02 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Quote:
"The MP10 also feature a selection of brand new electric pianos. Classic tines, reeds, and clavs - each one lovingly sampled from original vintage instruments to ensure their distinctive characteristics (and occasional imperfections) are richly preserved.


Couldn't have said it better myself! wink


OT: Maybe you could, or a bit more detail (this is probably due to me being pretty hopeless at modern music).
1) What are tines?
2) Are there reed instruments where the reed is being plucked rather than being blown?
3) 'Sampled from original vintage instruments' - The clavichord sounds I hear on digital pianos sound nothing like they were sampled from original vintage instruments but more like some weird noise from the Radiophonic workshop - or is that the vintage you have in mind? If this is the case where are the sampled real clavichords to go with the harpsichord sounds?

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#1973548 - 10/15/12 11:33 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Vectistim]
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1) What are tines?

The tuning-fork like mechanisms that generate the tones inside a Fender Rhodes piano when struck.

Originally Posted By: Vectistim
Are there reed instruments where the reed is being plucked rather than being blown?

Hohner Pianet had plucked reeds. Wurlitzer electric piano had (I believe) struck reeds.

Originally Posted By: Vectistim

3) 'Sampled from original vintage instruments' - The clavichord sounds I hear on digital pianos sound nothing like they were sampled from original vintage instruments

When you see "clav" they usually mean clavinet, not clavichord.

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#1973557 - 10/15/12 11:58 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: anotherscott]
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The Waldorf was interesting to me, but listening to YouTube videos, it seems like Pianoteq in a fancy box. I'm not really convinced that the Zarenbourg will have enough substance to it. The MP10 is a fine instrument, but I'd probably just opt for another CP1 if I wanted to go that route. I'm pretty much decided on a VV, although I do have a few questions for them regarding voicing.
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#1973592 - 10/15/12 01:10 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: Vectistim

3) 'Sampled from original vintage instruments' - The clavichord sounds I hear on digital pianos sound nothing like they were sampled from original vintage instruments

When you see "clav" they usually mean clavinet, not clavichord.


Thank you, that explains a lot, I've never heard of a clavinet. I'd just assumed that these were all really abysmal interpretations of a clavichord!

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#1973611 - 10/15/12 01:54 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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So I placed my order for the VV. I'm going to decide on color down the road but I'm leaning toward sparkle black, burgundy or root beer. I opted for the 64, which they feel is their best sounding unit. I added active stereo but not midi.

They were great going through many of the technical details and talked to me extensively about how I wanted my VV voiced.

It will take a few months to build and deliver, but I'll post updates as I get them.
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#1973612 - 10/15/12 01:59 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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New samples at Nord, sort of related to this topic: http://www.nordkeyboards.com/main.asp?tm=Home

The sample sounds pretty good to my ears.

Congrats on placing the order Hideki!


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#1973617 - 10/15/12 02:16 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: HwyStar]
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New samples at Nord, sort of related to this topic: http://www.nordkeyboards.com/main.asp?tm=Home

The sample sounds pretty good to my ears.

Congrats on placing the order Hideki!


Thanks! Nords always sound great when I hear them on stage. I'm just fortunate to be able to buy an EP without many practical considerations in mind. I almost bit on the vintage rebuilt Rhodes, but I think the VV will be better for my needs in the long run.


Edited by Hideki Matsui (10/15/12 02:16 PM)
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#1973649 - 10/15/12 03:30 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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The new Nord Pianet sample would appear to be compatible with Nord Piano 2 - it specifically states as much and thereby strongly implies it would not be compatible with the original Nord Piano. In which case I would be disappointed, and angry!
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#1973658 - 10/15/12 03:46 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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It is a single-velocity .nsmp "sample library" sample, not a multi-velocity .npno "piano library" sample. That means it only works in the keyboards that have a non-piano sample section, i.e. the ones they listed. The NP2 added the sample library compatibility that the original NP did not have. (That's the main difference between the two boards.)

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#1973698 - 10/15/12 05:24 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Wow, finally a Pianet sound from Nord!
I wonder how it will compare to the community offerings?

Unfortunately, as Scott notes, it's only a single velocity sample, so may lack the 'bark' when notes are struck with force. (Hmm.. is it still called 'bark' on a Pianet?)

Thanks for the heads up HwyStar, and apologies to Hideki for the off-topic!

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#1973702 - 10/15/12 05:27 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Wow, finally a Pianet sound from Nord!
I wonder how it will compare to the community offerings?

Unfortunately, as Scott notes, it's only a single velocity sample, so may lack the 'bark' when notes are struck with force. (Hmm.. is it still called 'bark' on a Pianet?)

Thanks for the heads up HwyStar, and apologies to Hideki for the off-topic!

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No problem.... But it's going to be nice not to have to think about things like samples and velocity layers.
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#1973818 - 10/15/12 09:52 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Vectistim]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott

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3) 'Sampled from original vintage instruments' - The clavichord sounds I hear on digital pianos sound nothing like they were sampled from original vintage instruments

When you see "clav" they usually mean clavinet, not clavichord.


Thank you, that explains a lot, I've never heard of a clavinet. I'd just assumed that these were all really abysmal interpretations of a clavichord!


LOL!!!
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#1974113 - 10/16/12 02:36 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Oh, the color quandry. Sparkle red does look pretty damn sexy....


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#1974186 - 10/16/12 05:31 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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That's beautiful!

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#1974187 - 10/16/12 05:33 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I'd still chose the burgundy smile .

Can I ask why no MIDI? I would have never thought of excluding that, except if the price really crept upwards with the option. I'm sure you are a much better player than me, but I would depend on editing out my mistakes in order to allow a decent recording that doesn't take thousands of takes to get right smile

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Edit: I mean, sparkled burgundy, for sure!


Edited by RafaPolit (10/16/12 05:34 PM)
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#1974200 - 10/16/12 05:56 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: RafaPolit]
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I'd still chose the burgundy smile .

Can I ask why no MIDI? I would have never thought of excluding that, except if the price really crept upwards with the option. I'm sure you are a much better player than me, but I would depend on editing out my mistakes in order to allow a decent recording that doesn't take thousands of takes to get right smile

Rafa.
Edit: I mean, sparkled burgundy, for sure!


I considered it , but II really didn't want to add midi. Not because of the price, which is another $1500. I don't want anything potentially compromising the action. I wouldn't turn my Shigeru into a midi piano either. I'm very happy with a pure instrument. I plan on grabbing Roland's new weighted midi controller to pair with the Jupiter, but at home, I don't see it getting much use.
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#1977268 - 10/22/12 08:26 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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#1984707 - 11/09/12 04:24 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: sullivang]
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I think I'm set on this color, the Apple Red, which is darker than the Fire Red they normally use. It definitely has more black than the Fire Red. This isn't my lid, but a lid for one of their 44s. I have another 7-8 weeks for my 64.

They said they have 3 new product surprises that will be shown at NAMM. Clav? Wurlitzer?





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#1984721 - 11/09/12 05:34 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Congrats! That color looks fantastic!

What is not so great, is that they are showing 3 product surprises which you will want (hopefully not *over* your current order! smile )

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#1984852 - 11/10/12 12:52 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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That is a sharp looking color.

FWIW, QRS PNOScan can be added to virtually any piano without ever touching or affecting the action. It's also removable and can be easily installed in your home. Some systems are invasive and most other systems do affect the touch.
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#1985723 - 11/12/12 01:12 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: RafaPolit]
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Congrats! That color looks fantastic!

What is not so great, is that they are showing 3 product surprises which you will want (hopefully not *over* your current order! smile )

Rafa.


I'm very happy with the way Apple Red looks. It sits in between the Fire Red and Root Beer, which is what I was looking for.

They emailed me to let me know things are a little ahead of schedule, which is great. I plan on getting over to NAMM to check out their new products. I imagine I will leave there on at least one wait list. I'd definitely get a wurly. Not so interested in a clav.
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#1986217 - 11/13/12 02:53 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Looks like my order is shipping in 2 weeks!

They hinted another tine based product as part of the trio of NAMM surprises... I'm guessing an 88.


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#1989658 - 11/22/12 03:09 AM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Had the voicing call with the tech today. Much like guitars, each one comes out sounding a little different, and it seems mine is a bit warmer out of the box, which is what I wanted. Shipping on Friday or Monday. Can't wait for this one.
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#1989807 - 11/22/12 01:57 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Hideki, with all the anticipation you have conveyed to us, you are not allowed to just show pictures of your EP! Once you have it with you, you are required pictures+audio or directly a video of you playing the thing! Its the least you could do to all of us eagerly waiting for you to enjoy the EP smile

Congrats! Sounds great, and glad you have the warmer voice you wanted instead of needing a re-vocing!(was that even possible or were you stuck with whatever the default sound was?)

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#1989889 - 11/22/12 06:53 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: RafaPolit]
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Hideki, with all the anticipation you have conveyed to us, you are not allowed to just show pictures of your EP! Once you have it with you, you are required pictures+audio or directly a video of you playing the thing! Its the least you could do to all of us eagerly waiting for you to enjoy the EP smile

Congrats! Sounds great, and glad you have the warmer voice you wanted instead of needing a re-vocing!(was that even possible or were you stuck with whatever the default sound was?)

Rafa.


I will definitely take the time to do that with this one. I recently picked up an Apogee Quartet and a decent mic, so I will get out some mic v. line recordings. I love the fact they added an effects loop on the Vintage Vibe. It should take nice l to some of my guitar pedals.
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#1996062 - 12/07/12 04:38 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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They just sent over a quick shot they took while prepping it for shipping on Monday...



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#1996064 - 12/07/12 04:43 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Retro bling! cool

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#1996089 - 12/07/12 05:40 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Beautiful.
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#1996132 - 12/07/12 07:20 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Nice! Band in a Box!

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#1996176 - 12/07/12 10:30 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Beautiful.


Thanks KJ... Not quite your shade of red, but my first dip into red waters. I can't wait to play it.
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#2002728 - 12/21/12 03:12 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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EP has been here for a few days and I have my setup routed. It sounds fantastic. On a side note...those looking for external effects should check out some of the Strymon gear that runs stereo and takes line in. Off to vactaion but will post some clips when I get back...



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#2002739 - 12/21/12 03:40 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Sparkletop, good! Tolex, bad!

That's magnificent. smile

And I love the way it reflects your Shigeru. cool

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#2002742 - 12/21/12 03:46 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Gosh, that looks nice.
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#2002771 - 12/21/12 04:59 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Wow, what a fantastic setup! I love seeing the reflection of the Shigeru too. wink

Can you talk us through the different effect boxes you're using there? How they influence the sound etc.

Cheers,
James
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#2002791 - 12/21/12 05:47 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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I love the sound in the demos - it sounds like a cross between a Wurly and a Rhodes.

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#2002801 - 12/21/12 06:29 PM Re: Best EP. [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Wow, what a fantastic setup! I love seeing the reflection of the Shigeru too. wink

Can you talk us through the different effect boxes you're using there? How they influence the sound etc.

Cheers,
James
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Definitely. I'm off to Tahoe for the weekend but when I'm back I will talk through the effects and create some clips too. I obviously don't run more than couple of effects at one time, but you can really get some great classic and experimental sounds when you couple the VV64 with nice effects.

There is an effects loop, in which I have an Effectrode tube phaser and vibrato/chorus and also a wah, Fulltone tape delay and EQ. Effectrode pieces are my personal favorite. Just beautiful tube tones.

I'm also using three Strymon pieces from the stereo output. The Blue Sky reverb, Timeline delay and Möbius multi modulation unit.

The VV64 also has a great onboard stereo tremolo.

I highly recommend the Strymon units for keyboardists because they can take line in and run stereo. They also sound quite amazing. The Möbius has rotary, Trem, chorus and a bunch of other modulation effects. The Timeline has bucket, digital, tape, etc. delays. Blue Sky does variations on 3 reverbs.


Edited by Hideki Matsui (12/21/12 06:33 PM)
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