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#1971000 - 10/09/12 08:35 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: SCCDoug]
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Registered: 05/13/05
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
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Hi Carey
I realize you are a choral conductor and would have your own opinions, but as a singer and choral enthusiast I recommend a brighter piano, or at least one with strong fundamentals. Having clear accompaniment is so helpful, especially with repertoire with more challenging tonality (say Elgar for example) where being able to pull a note into your head from the piano bass line three measures before in order to hit a clean entrance is a requirement. What sounds beautifully rich and mellow to the audience can be a bit of a muddy mess to the singer. For me, I would lean towards a Yamaha depending on how the instrument is going to be used.
Good luck to you. I must confess that our family has pretty much given up on church choirs as it seems much more likely to find decent classical repertoire with a good community chorus these days. But, I digress . . . Thanks for the input Doug !!! Fortunately our church choir still does traditional repertoire (Tallis, Palestrina, Bach, Byrd, Mozart, Stanford, Bruckner, Howells, Franck, Faure, Vaughan-Williams, Holst, etc.) but we primarily use the organ for accompaniment, unless, of course, the organist happens to be ill on a certain Sunday.
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#1971005 - 10/09/12 08:54 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Best of luck!
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#1971772 - 10/11/12 11:14 AM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Posts: 190
Loc: Souderton PA
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Personally I'd go with the Kawai RX6. The age of the Yamaha would be a concern to me.
The Kawai is fairly new and has the balance of the new 10 year warranty. It also has the Millenium III action which is more responsive on soft play and has faster repetition than a traditional wood action.
In my experience at our store the Korean brands do not hold up as well over the years.
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#1971797 - 10/11/12 12:31 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Registered: 05/28/01
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Kohler and Campbell Millennium KFM-700s - 7 foot - built 2001 - one owner - home use - lightly played - pristine condition - responsive action (Renner action parts and hammers) - two year warranty.
Kawai RX6 - 7 foot - built 2006 - one owner - home use - excellent condition - millennium action - warm even tone - original transferable warranty.
Albert Weber AW208 - 7 foot - NEW - powerful bright tone - strong bass - responsive action (Renner action parts and hammers)- full 10 year warranty.
Carey, Based on experience I would limit your choices to these instruments. I would further say that the Kawai might be my first choice, depending on the instrument, followed closely by the A. Weber. Definitely have the final choice (and maybe your runner up) examined by an independent tech. I know you've gotten lots of responses so far, but more information couldn't be a bad thing.  Keep us posted as to your progress please. Happy piano to your church!
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#1971842 - 10/11/12 02:23 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Registered: 04/26/10
Posts: 2346
Loc: USA
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Congrats on the SF10. That's pretty awesome.
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#1971912 - 10/11/12 04:22 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: Glenn Grafton]
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Registered: 05/13/05
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Personally I'd go with the Kawai RX6. The age of the Yamaha would be a concern to me.
The Kawai is fairly new and has the balance of the new 10 year warranty. It also has the Millenium III action which is more responsive on soft play and has faster repetition than a traditional wood action.
In my experience at our store the Korean brands do not hold up as well over the years. Glenn - The 1995 Baldwin was half the cost of the 2006 Kawai. We could afford the Baldwin - but couldn't come close to the asking price for the Kawai. The Renner action in the Baldwin isn't all that shabby either - even though I like the Millenium III action as well. And yes - we ruled out the Korean pianos due to concerns about how well they'd hold up in the church setting - and the Yamaha because it was just too darn old.
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#1971914 - 10/11/12 04:24 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: gnuboi]
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Registered: 05/13/05
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
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Congrats on the SF10. That's pretty awesome. Thanks - we're pretty excited about it !!!!
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#1971923 - 10/11/12 04:47 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 2354
Loc: Rochester MN
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Hi Carey,
That Baldwin will sound great! - Congratulations
It will be enjoyed by your congregation for many years to come.
Great job as the search committee!
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It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
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#1972034 - 10/11/12 08:31 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Congratulations! I'm sure this will be a great piano for your church!
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#1972211 - 10/12/12 07:52 AM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Good you decided against a small piano. I recently attended a concert in a medium size church with a pretty small Kawai grand around 5'6", I'd estimate. The pianist played the Grieg concerto with a community orchestra and even though I was 3 rows back, I could barely hear the piano.
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#1972216 - 10/12/12 08:05 AM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/01/03
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Loc: Kansas
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Every piano I chose has been disagreed with the posters.. Maybe you can find a used Baldwin.. they are so fundamentally sound and stable usually.
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love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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#1972217 - 10/12/12 08:06 AM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/01/03
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Loc: Kansas
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Oh my gosh.. i just finished reading the end of your thread. A SF10 would be my first choice. you done good!
fantastic!!!!!
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accompanist/organist.. a non-MTNA teacher to a few
love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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#1972358 - 10/12/12 03:20 PM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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Glenn - The 1995 Baldwin was half the cost of the 2006 Kawai. We could afford the Baldwin - but couldn't come close to the asking price for the Kawai. The Renner action in the Baldwin isn't all that shabby either - even though I like the Millenium III action as well. And yes - we ruled out the Korean pianos due to concerns about how well they'd hold up in the church setting - and the Yamaha because it was just too darn old.
Carey, I missed seeing the discussion of the Baldwin later in the thread. Knowing your budget and choices you made a fine choice. I evaluated a 1965 Baldwin 9' D last year, while it was beat on the outside still has many years of use in it before a rebuild is needed.
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#1972545 - 10/13/12 12:05 AM
Re: Which pianos might best meet our needs?
[Re: carey]
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1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 1237
Loc: Dallas, TX
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Hi carey, I've been following your journey and I'm excited for you! I bet the Baldwin will be great after all the work is done. We'd love to see photos (before and after). And of course, a recording or two!
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